Review 2023 National Draft Review Thread II [McKercher, Z.Duursma, Goad, W.Dawson, Hardeman, Maley]

[kool kangas]

Im warming right up to Duursma! as long as he picks all the boxes off field! hes just too classy to pass up!

And doesnt showoff like his brother. Just gets on with the game.

 

[kirbonavich]

Wouldn’t it be statistically more relevant if you showed how many games each of these players played as forwards last season? For example TT and Zurhahaha missed chunks of footy this season. Not saying I disagree just curious about apples with apples

Attached is the game average for all NM players.

Orange highlighted players are new additions and this seasons averages and Georges stats are highlighted in green - Georges stats are averaged from his previous 2021 & 2022 Coates seasons.

Apologies in unreadable in current format.

Also, Sheez averaged 2.3 goals per game across Coates & U18 in his draft year, so moving Sheez forward and playing George might be a +4 goals in our favour.

Sorted by Ave Goals per game.

Note* Not full data sets for Pink or Bigoa available.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I'm another that's liking the idea of Duursma. The more you hear the more it sounds like a good fit.

 

[Sphynx]

Attached is the game average for all NM players.

Orange highlighted players are new additions and this seasons averages and Georges stats are highlighted in green - Georges stats are averaged from his previous 2021 & 2022 Coates seasons.

Apologies in unreadable in current format.

Also, Sheez averaged 2.3 goals per game across Coates & U18 in his draft year, so moving Sheez forward and playing George might be a +4 goals in our favour.

Sorted by Ave Goals per game.

Note* Not full data sets for Pink or Bigoa available.

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George and Sheezel aren’t both kicking over 45 goals next year….

Just like Duursma and McKercher won’t average a combined 50 disposals and 4 goals per game next year.

Looks like some sort of attempt at money ball, except money ball is derived from professional statistics, not including minor leagues or underage statistics.

 

[Psicosis]

Wouldn’t it be statistically more relevant if you showed how many games each of these players played as forwards last season? For example TT and Zurhahaha missed chunks of footy this season. Not saying I disagree just curious about apples with apples

I don’t think it really matters tbh. My point is we have 1 reliable goal kicker.

 

[kirbonavich]

George and Sheezel aren’t both kicking over 45 goals next year….

Looks like some attempt at money ball, except money ball is derived from professional statistics, not including minor leagues or underage statistics.

I doubt they will either. Would be nice though.

 

[My Left Foote]

Collard would be great but is a flight risk.

Straight swap for Harley Reid in 3 years.

 

[Psicosis]

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I would legitimately be so furious.

Get it out of your system, you’ve had ample warning

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

AFL Draft 2023: The rise of the unstoppable and ‘unique’ Zane Duursma​

North Melbourne and Hawthorn fans have lots to look forward to if their club lands Zane Duursma in this year’s draft. Here’s why the ‘unique’ talent is one of the most exciting players in the pool.
Chris Cavanagh
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4 min read
October 24, 2023 - 4:00PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom



He doesn’t yet have his own signature goal celebration, like older brother Xavier’s famous arrow.
But in a football sense, Zane Duursma possesses as many weapons as a small army.
Described by talent scouts as a “really unique” player in this year’s AFL draft pool, there is little that Duursma can’t do.
Opposition sides in the Coates Talent League this season would put plenty of time into finding a way to limit his impact when preparing for games against Gippsland Power.
Few enjoyed even a mild level of success.
“He was never held goalless, even though most of the attention from the opposition goes to your No. 1 kid,” Gippsland talent manager Scott McDougal said.
“They plan around, ‘How do we stop Duursma?’ It’s nearly an impossible task because he runs quicker, jumps higher and is cleaner than 90 per cent of the competition.
“He can be death by a thousand cuts when he works his way through a game or he can just jump on you and kick quick goals.
“He’s a really professional kid who just shows up ready to get it done every day.”

Zane Duursma dominated for Gippsland Power this season despite receiving plenty of opposition attention. Picture: Getty Images
Duurmsa trained with Melbourne last summer as part of the AFL Academy program, where his mentor was midfielder Jack Viney.
The boy from Foster — just north of Wilson’s Promontory — had entered this season hoping to similarly serve as a midfielder who could rotate forward.
However, it was quickly established that he was a player who would be most damaging forward of centre.
“Now that I look back on it, I think playing more forward is the right idea,” Duursma said.
“I think that half forward hit-up role is my go-to role and I think that’s hopefully where I’ll begin my AFL career.”
While they were dazzled by some of Duurmsa’s tricks, recruiters questioned his consistency at times in the first half of this season.
Few knew that he copped a bad corky during the AFL Academy game against Port Adelaide’s SANFL side in Gather Round and had also battled a chest infection through the early rounds of the season.
“I was struggling to breathe out on the ground sometimes,” Duursma said.
“But it came good in a couple of weeks.”
By the time Vic Country’s final match of the under-18 national championships against Vic Metro rolled around in mid-July, the 191cm forward had well and truly hit his straps.
Among many of the country’s top draft prospects — including Harley Reid and Nick Watson — he was a clear standout across half-forward at Princes Park that day.
Duursma logged 22 disposals, 10 marks, 15 score involvements, six score assists and kicked four goals to spearhead Vic Country to a 31-point win over its arch rival.
Champion Data had Duursma down for 191 SuperCoach ranking points, with the next best performer on the ground being Vic Country teammate Finn O’Sullivan with just 115 points.
“In the biggest game of the year he was the best player,” AFL talent ambassador Kevin Sheehan said.
“When it was on the line, he came out in that third quarter and just blew the game apart.
“He comes from nowhere at times and jumps straight across the front of the pack, from the angle. Not many can do that.
“He does some very unusual things at times that are freakish. That includes his goals and when he’s on-song he’ll kick multiples in a row.”

Zane Duursma was best on ground for Vic Country in the biggest game of the year. Picture: Getty Images
Known to teammates simply as ‘Duurs’, this year’s performances have not come as much of a surprise to recruiters who have long had him on their radar.
Duursma kicked three goals from 12 disposals on debut for Gippsland Power in early 2021 — aged just 15.
That same year, he booted 10 goals across four senior games for his hometown club Foster in the Mid Gippsland Football League.
“He has got a serious point of difference to a lot of other players in this draft,” one recruiter said.
“He’s got that ability to be a Bailey Fristch-type player when he goes forward. He’s hard to beat in the air and beats you on the ground.”
Duursma himself looks up to two-time Brownlow Medal winner Nat Fyfe, but others have likened him to former Port Adelaide and Hawthorn champion Shaun Burgoyne.
Burgoyne — who was affectionately nicknamed ‘Silk’ — started his career as a high-impact player at both ends of the ground before pushing into the midfield later in his career.
Duursma has scope to eventually do the same.
At the national draft combine earlier this month, Duursma placed second in the running vertical jump, while also ranking above-average in the 20m sprint with a time of 3.055 seconds.
After the first day of the combine, he made a quick trip home to Gippsland to attend the Power’s awards night and collected the Peter Francis Best and Fairest.
“We just think he’s got an innate ability to keep changing gears and we haven’t found where those gears stop,” McDougal said.
“After the last game of the under-18 national championships, he just kept putting exclamation marks on his name.”

Zane Duursma is quick and agile and can seriously jump. Picture: Getty Images
Duursma’s two older siblings — Xavier and Yasmin — have already made the big time in football.
Xavier was drafted to Port Adelaide with pick 18 in the 2018 national draft and is now at Essendon, while Yasmin found her way to the Power at pick 45 in the 2022 AFLW Draft.
Zane might just be the pick of a talented football family, shaping as a top-five selection this year.
Either North Melbourne (picks 2 and 3) or Hawthorn (pick 4) are expected to make sure of that.
“It’s going to be pretty cool to be the third one in the family,” Zane said.

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“It’s really an honour.”
There could yet be a fourth draftee to come from the Duursma clan, too.
Younger brother Willem also impressed across six games for Gippsland Power this year, despite not being draft eligible until 2025.

Inside 50 Newslett​

Chadwiko - your thoughts on this article?

 

[The Nostradamus]

my top order is the below not including Reid or walter who are top 2. So as things stand watto and Curtin for mine

1. Watto
2. Curtin
3. Caddy
4. Colby
5. Duursma

I rate caddy highly. And would love him to partner larkey for the next decade

 

[zoomba23]

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I would legitimately be so furious.

It's gonna happen

 

[hurricane]

It's gonna happen

I’m not convinced that there are any good sources on who we are/aren’t going to pick. I reckon we’re pretty tight lipped with this stuff.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Duursma doesn’t have the class or skill execution of Burgoyne, it is a silly comparison.

 

[krakouers]

Bangers latest mock draft

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I see one of us upset PMBangers

 

[LB2Snake]

Duursma doesn’t have the class or skill execution of Burgoyne, it is a silly comparison.

I completely disagree. But there ya go.

 

[remfan101]

This leaves us with Reid, Sanders, Caddy/O'Sullivan and Leake.

Out
NM: 2,3,15,17,18
WC: 1, F2
MELB: 6,11
GEEL: 7
GWS: 8

In
NM: 1,7,8,11
WC: 2 (McKercher),6 (Curtin)
MELB: 3 (Duursma)
GEEL: 17, F2 (~19)
GWS: 15,18

 

[The Filth Wizard]

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I would legitimately be so furious.

I recommend going out for a movie on draft night.

 

[Chadwiko]

I recommend going out for a movie on draft night.

If we take two midfielders with picks 2 and 3, we absolutely deserve the ridicule we will get.

Mods shouldn't ban any oppo supporters who come to troll us about it.

 

[Flawed Genius]

If we take two midfielders with picks 2 and 3, we absolutely deserve the ridicule we will get.

Mods shouldn't ban any oppo supporters who come to troll us about it.

Good thing Duursma is a forward then

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Good thing Duursma is a forward then

And McKercher a much needed wing option.

 

[Twangler]

This leaves us with Reid, Sanders, Caddy/O'Sullivan and Leake.

Out
NM: 2,3,15,17,18
WC: 1, F2
MELB: 6,11
GEEL: 7
GWS: 8

In
NM: 1,7,8,11
WC: 2 (McKercher),6 (Curtin)
MELB: 3 (Duursma)
GEEL: 17, F2 (~19)
GWS: 15,18

No chance that Geelong would do that. GWS doubtful too

 

[Flawed Genius]

And McKercher a much needed wing option.

I was also worried we'd take two midfielders. Thanks be to Based Brady that he has seen the light and is drafting a taller Sheezel and Ben Cousins' illegitimate Tasmanian wingman son

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I was also worried we'd take two midfielders. Thanks be to Based Brady that he has seen the light and is drafting a taller Sheezel and Ben Cousins' illegitimate Tasmanian wingman son

Are we teaming up on a poster?

I’m against this as a mod but also trembling a little.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Are we teaming up on a poster?

I’m against this as a mod but also trembling a little.

I'm posting about the draft on the football website :- )

 

[zoomba23]

'You can never have enough half forward flankers' - Sun Tzu, The Art Of War