Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[moond0g]

I don't think we have to draft a state league ruckman, and with the MSD there are fewer options. Having Ceglar on the list as backup was a waste of time - 9 games in two years. It's not worth drafting a bloke to just play 3-4 games a season.

There are quite a few decent ruck options in this year's draft - Edwards, Goad, Green, etc. They might not be plug-and-play, but they just need to be backup if Stanley AND Conway go down. And then they will likely be much better long-term prospects than a mature age pick up.

Also, if we draft someone like O'Sullivan or Curtin we'll have the KPD cover to be able to send Blicavs/SDK into the ruck.

Yeah I imagine if we do get one, it'll be in the SSP, unless a ruck that we rate higher has fallen dramatically down the board on draft night.

The intention will be to not play whoever we pick next year anyway with Stanley and Conway doing all the ruckwork. So we're probably better off just waiting as long as we can and only pulling the trigger on a replacement during SSP if one of them gets injured in the offseason. If we're unlucky and both Stanley and Conway are fit to start the season and then get injured, we can just get someone in the MSD.

 

[calder_daddy]

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and Crozier delisted

 

[Reg Hickey]

I don't think we have to draft a state league ruckman, and with the MSD there are fewer options. Having Ceglar on the list as backup was a waste of time - 9 games in two years. It's not worth drafting a bloke to just play 3-4 games a season.

There are quite a few decent ruck options in this year's draft - Edwards, Goad, Green, etc. They might not be plug-and-play, but they just need to be backup if Stanley AND Conway go down. And then they will likely be much better long-term prospects than a mature age pick up.

Also, if we draft someone like O'Sullivan or Curtin we'll have the KPD cover to be able to send Blicavs/SDK into the ruck.

Completely disagree with this.

Far from being a waste of time, those games Ceglar played early this season when Stanley was out with his eye socket issue are exactly why we had him on the list, and why it's important we have someone else in his place this year.

And that's also why the replacement needs to be plug-and-play, not a long term prospect. The very definition of "stop gap". So they can step in and hold up the spot for a few weeks if need be. Which is why a physically mature 25+yo journeyman is a much better option in this case than a teenager.

Taking Blicavs or SDK out of their normal roles is just robbing Peter to pay Paul. And while I think O'Sullivan or Curtin would be great, expecting them to hold their own in a KPD role next year is fanciful. Like virtually every KP prospect, they'll need some time.

 

[moond0g]

Completely disagree with this.

Far from being a waste of time, those games Ceglar played early this season when Stanley was out with his eye socket issue are exactly why we had him on the list, and why it's important we have someone else in his place this year.

And that's also why the replacement needs to be plug-and-play, not a long term prospect. The very definition of "stop gap". So they can step in and hold up the spot for a few weeks if need be. Which is why a physically mature 25+yo journeyman is a much better option in this case than a teenager.

Taking Blicavs or SDK out of their normal roles is just robbing Peter to pay Paul. And while I think O'Sullivan or Curtin would be great, expecting them to hold their own in a KPD role next year is fanciful. Like virtually every KP prospect, they'll need some time.

I agree with some of this, but I think the big difference is Conway.

When Ceglar came here Conway was the recent, undeveloped recruit, who wasn't yet ready to play - just as you're describing. So Ceglar was 2nd in line, and needed in case Stanley was out.

Whoever we recruit now will, in theory, be 3rd in line (assuming Conway is fit), and maybe even 4th in line if you include Blicavs. So there's less chance they'll ever be needed.

 

[BORIS332]

Completely disagree with this.

Far from being a waste of time, those games Ceglar played early this season when Stanley was out with his eye socket issue are exactly why we had him on the list, and why it's important we have someone else in his place this year.

And that's also why the replacement needs to be plug-and-play, not a long term prospect. The very definition of "stop gap". So they can step in and hold up the spot for a few weeks if need be. Which is why a physically mature 25+yo journeyman is a much better option in this case than a teenager.

Taking Blicavs or SDK out of their normal roles is just robbing Peter to pay Paul. And while I think O'Sullivan or Curtin would be great, expecting them to hold their own in a KPD role next year is fanciful. Like virtually every KP prospect, they'll need some time.

Ceglar played six games in 2023 and we lost four of them. There is no point wasting a list spot on a bloke on the chance that your two other options are injured at the same time.

 

[stac]

Ceglar played six games in 2023 and we lost four of them. There is no point wasting a list spot on a bloke on the chance that your two other options are injured at the same time.

agree
also Furphy as a 24 year old wouldn't be too much different to the very average rucks available
and break glass is Mid season Draft

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

We seem to be taking a more patient route atm than we have in the past. No trade ins sounds crazy and is boring for us but we obviously feel we can have another crack this season with Hawk and Danger still in the side. And backing that our youth will improve. On top of that holding on to our draft picks so we can bring more youth in.
I'd say that post draft this will be the best young talent list we've had since 2007.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

We seem to be taking a more patient route atm than we have in the past. No trade ins sounds crazy and is boring for us but we obviously feel we can have another crack this season with Hawk and Danger still in the side. And backing that our youth will improve. On top of that holding on to our draft picks so we can bring more youth in.
I'd say that post draft this will be the best young talent list we've had since 2007.

Without doubt.

Admittedly, it's not a huge mountain to climb, but the youth we have coming through now is the best we have had in 20 years.

In terms of next year, I think we're going with the 2022/11 model. Play some kids, rest some veterans, and see what happens.

If it wins us a flag, then awesome...if we're just okay, then we still got valuable game time into the kids which will pay dividends down the line.

To me, it feels like one last crack next year with the current senior core, then patching it up through trades and free agency in the following years while we wait for the kids to take over completely.

I've said it before, but we feel a lot like Essendon after 1993. Won a flag off the back of kids and veterans, and then have a few years of transition as the list continues to develop and the kids hit their peak and the veterans hang up the boots.

 

[stac]

Wash your mouth out
Essendon!!!!!!!!?????

 

[CatToTheFuture]

We seem to be taking a more patient route atm than we have in the past. No trade ins sounds crazy and is boring for us but we obviously feel we can have another crack this season with Hawk and Danger still in the side. And backing that our youth will improve. On top of that holding on to our draft picks so we can bring more youth in.
I'd say that post draft this will be the best young talent list we've had since 2007.

Don't think it's by choice

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Wash your mouth out
Essendon!!!!!!!!?????

Hey, specifically of the 1993-2001 vintage.

Not so much the peptide era.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I don't think we have to draft a state league ruckman, and with the MSD there are fewer options. Having Ceglar on the list as backup was a waste of time - 9 games in two years. It's not worth drafting a bloke to just play 3-4 games a season.

There are quite a few decent ruck options in this year's draft - Edwards, Goad, Green, etc. They might not be plug-and-play, but they just need to be backup if Stanley AND Conway go down. And then they will likely be much better long-term prospects than a mature age pick up.

Also, if we draft someone like O'Sullivan or Curtin we'll have the KPD cover to be able to send Blicavs/SDK into the ruck.

They would need to be ready to play if stanley goes down which 18yo rucks will not be ready to next year. Theres some merit in your view long term so long as you accept that a 18yo ruck wont play afl next year so if stanley gets injured next year we will lose a lot of games. I wouldnt be wasting sdk in the ruck.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Ceglar played six games in 2023 and we lost four of them. There is no point wasting a list spot on a bloke on the chance that your two other options are injured at the same time.

When your 2 other options are 20 and barely has the tank to run out 3 games and the other is 33 the probability they will both be unavailable at the same time is fairly likely. Im not saying its wrong to a long term view if you do you have to accept on field we will be worse off next year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Don't think it's by choice

Its because the quality of trade ins in the market wasnt there this year. Next years free agency pool is better and we will have more cap space to attack it with.

 

[Two Planks]

Tom Highmore delisted, he looked pretty good a couple of years ago.

Would prefer him to Tim O'Brien

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[year of the cat]

Tom Highmore delisted, he looked pretty good a couple of years ago.

Would prefer him to Tim O'Brien

Was a decent third tall. Surprised he's delisted.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Its because the quality of trade ins in the market wasnt there this year. Next years free agency pool is better and we will have more cap space to attack it with.

Don't lose the opportunity here to skewer the club.

It's like Americans and their view of foreign policy. They can't concieve of a world they don't control so they ascribe every negative outcome to an American policy.

 

[crocsta]

We should just role the dice with rucks.

Conway, Stanley, Blitz, Neale should be ok.

If a couple of above go down long term then need to grab another ruck in mid season draft.

If we do get a ruck I would prefer a 2o year old with some talent that may have some chance to turn into a no.1 ruck rather a journeyman that has no upside

 

[BORIS332]

When your 2 other options are 20 and barely has the tank to run out 3 games and the other is 33 the probability they will both be unavailable at the same time is fairly likely. Im not saying its wrong to a long term view if you do you have to accept on field we will be worse off next year.

We're much better off playing Blicavs 1st ruck than any hack state league ruckman.

 

[foxdog50]

I don't think we have to draft a state league ruckman, and with the MSD there are fewer options. Having Ceglar on the list as backup was a waste of time - 9 games in two years. It's not worth drafting a bloke to just play 3-4 games a season.

There are quite a few decent ruck options in this year's draft - Edwards, Goad, Green, etc. They might not be plug-and-play, but they just need to be backup if Stanley AND Conway go down. And then they will likely be much better long-term prospects than a mature age pick up.

Also, if we draft someone like O'Sullivan or Curtin we'll have the KPD cover to be able to send Blicavs/SDK into the ruck.

I think k next year is better for recruiting a kid ruckman. Simple reason is on having 1 mature ruckman in Stanley and if we get another kid in a under 18s, there is to much pressure for 2 kids with sweet bugger all experience and big call to ask with there body playing ruck
Stanley will retier end of next season, And while we have ( for example a state league or Hayes ) in 2025 we can have another kid can do there apprenticeship while we have Conway hopefully being the no 1 ruckman

 

[Hamingja]

Was a decent third tall. Surprised he's delisted.

Given Ross Lyon's love of Zac Dawson it doesn't give you a lot of confidence if he is delisting a defender.

I remember him being talked up as a mature age pick pre draft. When I have watched him play for the Saints he has had horrific disposal.

Looking at it, he didn't play at all this year, perhaps long term injury?

 

[CharacterFirst]

Geelong may play some silly games with the media but not this silly

Essendon failed to tell their fans the entire truth around Darcy Parish’s contract

The truth about Parish's contract extension revealed.

www.sen.com.au

Standard Essendon.

Never the whole truth.

The truth is in the shredder!

 

[Jumping Jack]

We're much better off playing Blicavs 1st ruck than any hack state league ruckman.

Blicavs will start to spend more time down back.

If we play sides with a couple of tall forwards he’ll be needed.


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[year of the cat]

Given Ross Lyon's love of Zac Dawson it doesn't give you a lot of confidence if he is delisting a defender.

I remember him being talked up as a mature age pick pre draft. When I have watched him play for the Saints he has had horrific disposal.

Looking at it, he didn't play at all this year, perhaps long term injury?

Can’t recall his kicking but he was good overhead and a decent intercepting mark? Didn’t see much of him though.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Blicavs will start to spend more time down back.

If we play sides with a couple of tall forwards he’ll be needed.


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He’s not a very good defender, that’d be a disaster if we’re relying on Blicavs to be our key defender.