Review Pr(O)logue Round, 2024 - Brisbane Lions vs. Carlton

[Kernel Kurtz]

Never give up!! I have been doing pilates since 2001 and it is awesome. Dan Rich is fan. Elemental pilates in ashgrove - guy (Steve) looks like a union player but was a ballet dancer - was the best I've been to. does small class and has a cheap six week introduction offer. Again, I don't get a kickback.

I survived a car accident 50 years ago - Broke a steel bar with my head. Did immense irreparable damage to neck and spine and acquired a brain injury that persists. Knock yourself out, but I've heard all the jokes already.

There isn't a physical technique or fad I haven't tried.

Fwiw the wellness thing that has been incredible fighting inflammation for me is the grounding / earthing sheets. Very Pete Evans but there's actually real science behind it - SPECT scans measure pressure and grounding reduces that pressure (inflammation). Used in hospitals for pre term babies.

I get a sheet 0.7m*2.4m, put it across the bottom of the bed, plug it in and my feet and legs are in contact overnight.

You can get them cheap off eBay.

I'm pretty beat up though, partner hasn't noticed any changes from it cause you know, normal and all..

Cheers,
I'm looking into these earth sheets, I try to avoid the antiinflammatory pills so thanks for this.
Come on, your getting commission right
Pilates is king.

 

[Dalions]

I love your stuff on health/wellbeing Gadz, I do know Earthing is a real thing and has science behind it, I walk barefoot in the park behind my place a couple of times a week, not backwards though.

Another thing I will divulge is that I started eating Carnivore style on the 23rd of January, I eat nothing but meat, eggs, salt and a very small amount of dairy ie. half a glass of Goats milk a day and sometimes a stick of butter. Feeling fantastic!

Did you go through a period of horrific diahorrea? When you first started.
I have heard that’s a thing.

 

[M Malice]

Did you go through a period of horrific diahorrea? When you first started.
I have heard that’s a thing.

No not really, what has happened though is that I do not need to go to the the toilet anywhere near as often as when I ate copious amounts of fruits and vegetables. I admit that it was concerning to me at first even though I in no way felt constipated, turns out the reason is that meat/eggs are such nutrient dense foods(the most dense in fact of any food source) that your body utilises all the nutrients in the food so there is very little in the way of waste for the body to get rid of.

 

[Dalions]

No not really, what has happened though is that I do not need to go to the the toilet anywhere near as often as when I ate copious amounts of fruits and vegetables. I admit that it was concerning to me at first even though I in no way felt constipated, turns out the reason is that meat/eggs are such nutrient dense foods(the most dense in fact of any food source) that your body utilises all the nutrients in the food so there is very little in the way of waste for the body to get rid of.

Have been thinking of giving it a go.

 

[Kickback Flip]

I will give them credit for being able to pick it back up again, especially after dropping off as far as they did.
They finished the game with a pressure rating of 201 out n the last quarter.
But they had given the Blues too much confidence after the third.

We are a mentally soft team. We always seem to switch off for at least a quarter during games. And on most occasions we can't handle or combat, left field tactics and confronting situation changes from an opposition during a match.

 

[Dalions]

You still have to ask though, does the coaching group just let the players get away with taking their foot off the pedal nor is it the players. I mean how often does this issue have to rear its head (I mean it happened in our last game the GF) that the players actually realise that they aren’t good enough to shut up shop or are they thick?

I know it is after the game and not during but Fages did mention in the presser that he will be asking the players what they thought went wrong in that 3rd quarter.
That is making the players accountable.

And I am quite sure that things were addressed during the game but when you have switched off as much as they had it takes time to get it back and unfortunately we had allowed them too much of a role to stop it straight away.

I mentioned in my preview of the Freo game that at the game you could see our players slowly lift from the time that Carlton got to within 2 goals but it was only a bit and then it went up a bit more when they got within a goal, when they got in front the intensity of both teams went to a new level all together. We then stopped the momentum but couldn’t stop the belief we handed them on a platter.

 

[Grasshopper17]

it goes to mindset at home for me. We didn’t think the game was alive then. It was all so casual.

Pressure rating in the third others have noted i am not surprised. How we put that out there is such an indictment though - clearly the game was alive at half time. We should have been angry and fired up. Baffling.

Is anyone else surprised we didn’t just try to smash it through for the draw at the end? We would have known how much time. Once that long kick was a ball-up a win was highly unlikely. Draw would have at least made percentage all but irrelavant.

The other thing about scoring a behind is you become far more likely to be the next to score also. Which Collingwood preyed on in their away win against Adelaide last year:



Note the "Rushed" behinds there. The last one was actually rushed by Collingwood to level the scores. Some Collingwood players even questioned the guy for doing so in the moment (Ash Johnson I seem to recall) but it was actually quite brilliant. From the kick in they were able to lock the ball in their front half, eventually force a turnover for Sidebottom to mark and take a set shot from 40-45.

After that game (First Crack or 360) David King highlighted how teams go from end to end from a kick in 1 in 11 times. There was even conjecture after that game that Sidebottom missed deliberately so that the ball wouldn't go back to the centre, all but ensuring victory with only 20 seconds or so remaining.

I hadn't thought of this till now but it's a good argument twhowler.

 

[Grasshopper17]

The other thing about scoring a behind is you become far more likely to be the next to score also. Which Collingwood preyed on in their away win against Adelaide last year:

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Note the "Rushed" behinds there. The last one was actually rushed by Collingwood to level the scores. Some Collingwood players even questioned the guy for doing so in the moment (Ash Johnson I seem to recall) but it was actually quite brilliant. From the kick in they were able to lock the ball in their front half, eventually force a turnover for Sidebottom to mark and take a set shot from 40-45.

After that game (First Crack or 360) David King highlighted how teams go from end to end from a kick in 1 in 11 times. There was even conjecture after that game that Sidebottom missed deliberately so that the ball wouldn't go back to the centre, all but ensuring victory with only 20 seconds or so remaining.

I hadn't thought of this till now but it's a good argument twhowler.

The other thing is that had we forced a behind to level the scores, Carlton would have had the indecision of whether to go for the win or be happy with the draw. That may have opened up our forward line a bit, much more than it was when Carlton led by a point and literally everyone was there.

 

[Grasshopper17]

The first step to redemption, progress and improvement. But that's all it is. Words for now.

'Haven't achieved anything yet': Neale sprays 'lazy', selfish Lions - 'Haven't achieved anything yet': Neale sprays 'lazy', selfish Lions

 

[Grasshopper17]

This is impressive. More emotive than anything we'd get from Fages I imagine, who's always relatively measured and defensive of the players. But, as I say, it's only words for now.

"We probably chose some easy options and were a little bit lazy on defence sometimes," Neale said.

"We didn't dig in, and basically you're shitting on your teammates when you don't do that.

Hopefully his team mates are able to accept this criticism in the constructive manner it's intended, rather than taking it personally.

 

[martinson]

The other thing about scoring a behind is you become far more likely to be the next to score also. Which Collingwood preyed on in their away win against Adelaide last year:

View attachment 1925804

Note the "Rushed" behinds there. The last one was actually rushed by Collingwood to level the scores. Some Collingwood players even questioned the guy for doing so in the moment (Ash Johnson I seem to recall) but it was actually quite brilliant. From the kick in they were able to lock the ball in their front half, eventually force a turnover for Sidebottom to mark and take a set shot from 40-45.

After that game (First Crack or 360) David King highlighted how teams go from end to end from a kick in 1 in 11 times. There was even conjecture after that game that Sidebottom missed deliberately so that the ball wouldn't go back to the centre, all but ensuring victory with only 20 seconds or so remaining.

I hadn't thought of this till now but it's a good argument twhowler.

I don't know if we were prepared for this scenario but why we had guys flying for a mark in a big pack when the ball was 5 yards out and all someone had to do was get a hand to it whack it through to me showed a worrying lack of awareness and selfishness.

Hopefully this has been pointed out.

We've been over and over this game. It's just one of those things that happen and we learn. If we'd won and still lost Kiddy it would've felt like a loss anyway.

 

[martinson]

When we missed those two goals, I didn’t expect we’d lose but I turned to my mate at the game and said those goals would have put them away.

So much had to go wrong for us and so much had to go right for the Blues for that result to eventuate.

I’d be excited with the win as a Blues fan but some are deluded as to why they won.

I think their excitement has emanated from having so many gun players out and probably mentally conceding a loss before it started. In their minds we couldn't possibly beat them again with their best side in.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

This is impressive. More emotive than anything we'd get from Fages I imagine, who's always relatively measured and defensive of the players. But, as I say, it's only words for now.



Hopefully his team mates are able to accept this criticism in the constructive manner it's intended, rather than taking it personally.

Lachie sounds like he is pissed.
I like it.
Let's hope there was some ownership from the players that he is refering to.

 

[Elixuh]

Look at the positives.

Last year we turned up for 0% of the game against Port in our first game.

This year we turned up for almost a half.

Next year the sky is the limit (or four quarters, whichever comes first)!

 

[M Malice]

Have been thinking of giving it a go.

My advice would be don't go cold Turkey Carnivore overnight, gradually over a few weeks cut out your seed oils, junk/takeaway food first, then processed carbs eg. cereals, pasta, frozen meals.. Veges/fruit... dairy. Transition will be harder depending on how much sugar and carbohydrates you have been consuming, the more the harder.

 

[Grasshopper17]

I don't know if we were prepared for this scenario but why we had guys flying for a mark in a big pack when the ball was 5 yards out and all someone had to do was get a hand to it whack it through to me showed a worrying lack of awareness and selfishness.

Hopefully this has been pointed out.

We've been over and over this game. It's just one of those things that happen and we learn. If we'd won and still lost Kiddy it would've felt like a loss anyway.

Yeah I mean hindsight is a wonderful thing but if you want to do situational training there's a truckload of scenarios you have to think about:

• 13+ points down
• 12 points down
• 11 points down
• 8-10 points down
• 7 points down
• 6 points down
• 5 points down
• 2-4 points down
• 1 point down
• Scores level
• 1 point up
• 2-4 points up
• 5 points up
• 6 points up
• 7 points up
• 8-10 points up
• 11 points up
• 12 points up
• 13+ points up

And THEN you multiply all those by the time frame you have left, ie:

• Less than 10 seconds
• 10-30 seconds
• 30-60 seconds
• 1-2 minutes
• 2-5 minutes
• 5-10 minutes

Etc

And then you multiply all that by the state of play

• Centre bounce
• They get a free kick
• We get a free kick
• Around the ground ball up
• Throw ins
• Ball in our front half (both when we have it or when they have it)
• Ball in their front half (both when we have it or when they have it)

When you really think about it like that, it's a fair effort that Collingwood have got to where they are under McRae so quickly. I mean we're talking NFL levels of granularity here, where wide receivers are now expected to KNOW to (rather than score an easy touchdown) run out of bounds at the 1 yard line when there's 1:50 left on the clock, you have the lead or are down by less than 3, you have already picked up the first down AND the opposition has no time outs. That's a LOT for an NFL player to think about on the fly, and without a 40 second play clock I'd imagine this stuff is even harder to learn and implement in the AFL. You could spend multiple summers on this stuff and not get through it all.

 

[Grasshopper17]

I don't know if we were prepared for this scenario but why we had guys flying for a mark in a big pack when the ball was 5 yards out and all someone had to do was get a hand to it whack it through to me showed a worrying lack of awareness and selfishness.

Hopefully this has been pointed out.

We've been over and over this game. It's just one of those things that happen and we learn. If we'd won and still lost Kiddy it would've felt like a loss anyway.

In a practical sense tho, I guess if you have a bit of wherewithal in the coaches box, you have a good 80-90 seconds from the time McKay takes the mark to the next centre bounce. You get a message out, via the runner, that obviously you want to get quick territory, but if it's a slow play (like we had), don't try to be a hero, just get a score. Get out to the forward line "a point is better than nothing".

 

[Gadzorks]

The first step to redemption, progress and improvement. But that's all it is. Words for now.

'Haven't achieved anything yet': Neale sprays 'lazy', selfish Lions - 'Haven't achieved anything yet': Neale sprays 'lazy', selfish Lions

"...Shitting on your teammates.."

Go Lachie - improvement is needed in infield attitude and has to come from the playing group. Coaches don't run that.

Love Lachie just getting it out there. It's the leadership we need.

And yes a 5% drop by half a dozen players will cost games against any team.

 

[Gadzorks]

This is impressive. More emotive than anything we'd get from Fages I imagine, who's always relatively measured and defensive of the players. But, as I say, it's only words for now.



Hopefully his team mates are able to accept this criticism in the constructive manner it's intended, rather than taking it personally.

If there is vision you can't take it personally. Because you did slack off.

Agree that some people can take offence at message delivery style, but elite athletes wanting to win are pretty good at focusing on the message.

 

[Dalions]

"...Shitting on your teammates.."

Go Lachie - improvement is needed in infield attitude and has to come from the playing group. Coaches don't run that.

Love Lachie just getting it out there. It's the leadership we need.

And yes a 5% drop by half a dozen players will cost games against any team.

It was more than 5%

 

[Chief]

 

[martinson]

In a practical sense tho, I guess if you have a bit of wherewithal in the coaches box, you have a good 80-90 seconds from the time McKay takes the mark to the next centre bounce. You get a message out, via the runner, that obviously you want to get quick territory, but if it's a slow play (like we had), don't try to be a hero, just get a score. Get out to the forward line "a point is better than nothing".

100%. The Blues players were never going to let the ball go over the back . Maybe I'm expecting too much to think the experienced players we had down there would intuitively know this , instead of flying for a spec and the ball spilling to the opposition.

One thing is now clear. Lachie is 3KZ.

 

[Squizz89]

Whack!

 

[Grasshopper17]

Ha. "We don't want to be that team that goes back into its shell". (Paraphrasing slightly)

Right so that must be why we decide to drop a spare man back behind the ball at the end of a quarter when when we have all the momentum.



How you do something is how you do everything.

 

[BuntonRules]

Interesting take on our 3rd quarter on "On the Couch". The players knew at 1/2 time that kiddy had done his ACL. That was enough to flatten us in the first 1/2 of the quarter, which set up the loss.