Review Pr(O)logue Round, 2024 - Brisbane Lions vs. Carlton

[On the quiet]

Look at the positives.

Last year we turned up for 0% of the game against Port in our first game.

This year we turned up for almost a half.

Next year the sky is the limit (or four quarters, whichever comes first)!

I think 'Tom 14' might be onto something we seem to be slow starters so away game first up would be preferred, but I believe whilst there might be some minor adjustments the OR with the northern teams is likely to stay so home game first up next year.

 

[On the quiet]

I don't know how to put a still image up on big footy but reckon #33 from Carlton gave paynes arm a slight chop as he was marking the ball in front of goal with 54 seconds left in the game. Seen them paid before, but with less than a minute to go... maybe I am wrong, but was it a penalty? Not held long enough to be a mark, but possibly a penalty...probably not.

We will be better for the run, a few players probably a little underdone and Browny stated on the TV last night that players knew at half time Kiddy had most likely done an ACL. No excuses but seemed to affect some players.

Also as Fages has stated, Blues are a good side so we have dropped a game to a good side. We need to make up for it and beat Hawthorne at Marvel.

 

[3KZ is Football]

You know 3KZ, things are never as bad as they seem, but you just seem to be so negative on Fages, Payne, Starc and anyone else that does not meet Lesters standards.

As a point of interest have a look how easily McKay out-marks Lester down the ground in the first and fourth Qs, I acknowledge Lester is doing a fine job playing a role in the backline. He is a role player with a few cheap disposals.

By the way, Curnow scored 1 goal last year when playing Brisbane in Melbourne and that one goal was when Lester found himself marking Curnow.


Hope you are more positive with the kids you are coaching

What do you make of Neale’s comments today? Easy to shoot the messenger. Neale referred to the playing group as selfish and lazy. Who do you think he was referring to? He stated that the team had achieved NOTHING.

'Haven't achieved anything yet': Neale sprays 'lazy', selfish Lions

Co-captain Lachie Neale has hit out at the Lions' performance against the Blues

www.afl.com.au

Basically agrees with me and my assessment.

 

[martinson]

What do you make of Neale’s comments today? Easy to shoot the messenger. Neale referred to the playing group as selfish and lazy. Who do you think he was referring to? He stated that the team had achieved NOTHING.

'Haven't achieved anything yet': Neale sprays 'lazy', selfish Lions

Co-captain Lachie Neale has hit out at the Lions' performance against the Blues

www.afl.com.au

Basically agrees with me and my assessment.

I'm onto you 3KZ

You are Lachie Neale.

 

[On the quiet]

What do you make of Neale’s comments today? Easy to shoot the messenger. Neale referred to the playing group as selfish and lazy. Who do you think he was referring to? He stated that the team had achieved NOTHING.

'Haven't achieved anything yet': Neale sprays 'lazy', selfish Lions

Co-captain Lachie Neale has hit out at the Lions' performance against the Blues

www.afl.com.au

Basically agrees with me and my assessment.

In your eyes 3KZ probably believe he is referring to Payne, I would like to think he is referring to virtually the whole team for a an extremely poor 3rd Q. Perhaps the Kiddy injury had a negative influence on some. Payne copped a knock to the head late in the 2nd Q so maybe that affected him. I don't know. But I think we all agree he was off the pace in that second half, and needs to improve. Ironically though I think the umps might have missed an arm chop on payne right in front of goal with 54 seconds to go. Was it a penalty? probably not but seen them paid.

I was one of the early posters who believed in Wilmot (even though last year you were calling for him and payne and others to be dropped after the loss to the Dogs in March 2023) Wilmot is one of our most promising players.

I also spotted Kiddy's composure pretty early, and have been positive on Dev and yes positive on Payne, who IMO showed before he did his ankle about mid season in 2023, he was a reasonable player with plenty of upside.

IMO Payne is important to the backline, as he takes the 'big dogs' and allows Harris to peel off and intercept, if no Payne, then Harris is stuck 1 v 1, and whilst he is a very good backman, athletic talls such as Ben King etc can dominate.
Because Dizzy is often giving away height he tends to give away penalties, but I do like his endeavor.
We have seen what happens to Lester when taking on a KPF and he is a role player.
Tom Doedee is coming back from an ACL, but not ideal for him to take on the 'big dogs'

I think 3KZ, you believe if you keep being negative on a back (in the past it has been Adams, Andrews, Starc, but mostly Payne) that the coaching group will react to your posts.

Obvious you don't rate Payne, and just as obvious I do.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I'm onto you 3KZ

You are Lachie Neale.

I make the bullets, he fires them.

 

[3KZ is Football]

In your eyes 3KZ probably believe he is referring to Payne, I would like to think he is referring to virtually the whole team for a an extremely poor 3rd Q. Perhaps the Kiddy injury had a negative influence on some. Payne copped a knock to the head late in the 2nd Q so maybe that affected him. I don't know. But I think we all agree he was off the pace in that second half, and needs to improve. Ironically though I think the umps might have missed an arm chop on payne right in front of goal with 54 seconds to go. Was it a penalty? probably not but seen them paid.

I was one of the early posters who believed in Wilmot (even though last year you were calling for him and payne and others to be dropped after the loss to the Dogs in March 2023) Wilmot is one of our most promising players.

I also spotted Kiddy's composure pretty early, and have been positive on Dev and yes positive on Payne, who IMO showed before he did his ankle about mid season in 2023, he was a reasonable player with plenty of upside.

IMO Payne is important to the backline, as he takes the 'big dogs' and allows Harris to peel off and intercept, if no Payne, then Harris is stuck 1 v 1, and whilst he is a very good backman, athletic talls such as Ben King etc can dominate.
Because Dizzy is often giving away height he tends to give away penalties, but I do like his endeavor.
We have seen what happens to Lester when taking on a KPF and he is a role player.
Tom Doedee is coming back from an ACL, but not ideal for him to take on the 'big dogs'

I think 3KZ, you believe if you keep being negative on a back (in the past it has been Adams, Andrews, Starc, but mostly Payne) that the coaching group will react to your posts.

Obvious you don't rate Payne, and just as obvious I do.

Good post On the quiet.

My knock on Payne has been about his lack of physicality on the deck and commitment to playing body on body and his decision making. He does take a ‘big dog’ but that’s his role and he has the physique to do it. I’ve highlighted his lapses against Carlton earlier, so no point going over that again.

As far as our defence goes, our two most important players after the injury to Coleman, are Andrews and Lester. Andrews for his intercept marking and spoiling and Lester for his spoiling and work on the deck. If you watch closely, Lester is also pivotal in the way we transition out of defence, especially at the kick ins. It is a really underrated role, but a vital one. His physical desperation is matched by Gardiner’s and I believe he must be played back. Starcevich is a ‘junkyard dog’ but his disposal makes me nervous and McKenna gives us rebound, but he too can be a bit worrying with the ball in hand. Which brings us to Wilmot. With the injury to Coleman, he becomes a vitally important player. If he can step up and handle the extra pressure it would really help us. Prior too comes into calculations on a half back line / defensive winger.

Going back to where I started, I would drop Payne, because you can’t have a club leader and champion footballer like Neale saying the things he said today and not respond at the selection table if you are the coach. Neale wasn’t hanging out the Mulligans and neither should Fagan.

 

[martinson]

I make the bullets, he fires them.

Fages was never going to say anything. Last I heard he rated our performance as meeting all the stats criteria.

Lachie obviously reads BF and decided to take matters into his own hands.

And got the heads up from Fages to fire the bullets.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Fages was never going to say anything. Last I heard he rated our performance as meeting all the stats criteria.

Lachie obviously reads BF and decided to take matters into his own hands.

And got the heads up from Fages to fire the bullets.

Yeah, that presser was embarrassing. Either way, Neale’s statements forces Fagan’s hand a bit.

 

[martinson]

Good post On the quiet.

My knock on Payne has been about his lack of physicality on the deck and commitment to playing body on body and his decision making. He does take a ‘big dog’ but that’s his role and he has the physique to do it. I’ve highlighted his lapses against Carlton earlier, so no point going over that again.

As far as our defence goes, our two most important players after the injury to Coleman, are Andrews and Lester. Andrews for his intercept marking and spoiling and Lester for his spoiling and work on the deck. If you watch closely, Lester is also pivotal in the way we transition out of defence, especially at the kick ins. It is a really underrated role, but a vital one. His physical desperation is matched by Gardiner’s and I believe he must be played back. Starcevich is a ‘junkyard dog’ but his disposal makes me nervous and McKenna gives us rebound, but he too can be a bit worrying with the ball in hand. Which brings us to Wilmot. With the injury to Coleman, he becomes a vitally important player. If he can step up and handle the extra pressure it would really help us. Prior too comes into calculations on a half back line / defensive winger.

Going back to where I started, I would drop Payne, because you can’t have a club leader and champion footballer like Neale saying the things he said today and not respond at the selection table if you are the coach. Neale wasn’t hanging out the Mulligans and neither should Fagan.

I know you cop flak for Lester 3KZ but fwiiw I agree with you.

I've loved the way Froggy goes about it these last 20 or so games.

The scribes on here go out of their way to pick up any faults in his game but don't apply the same rigorous scrutiny to a few others who maybe could take a leaf out of his effort.

I know he's not the most gifted player going around but he makes the best out of what he has and has made himself a lot better than I ever thought he would be.

 

[Dalions]

Yeah, that presser was embarrassing. Either way, Neale’s statements forces Fagan’s hand a bit.

Those statements come after the review of the game so where do you think they came from?

 

[martinson]

Those statements come after the review of the game so where do you think they came from?

Tbh Dalions I reckon Fages woud be better off firing a truth bullet or two in his pressers which are pretty much feeding the chooks.

He doesn't have to go overboard or drop anyone in it but when we screw up completely like last week it all sounds a bit comical.

 

[Dalions]

Tbh Dalions I reckon Fages woud be better off firing a truth bullet or two in his pressers which are pretty much feeding the chooks.

He doesn't have to go overboard or drop anyone in it but when we screw up completely like last week it all sounds a bit comical.

He did put the 1 bad quarter all on the players and that is basically all that Lachie did today.
Lachie just did it with a bit more force.

 

[M Malice]

Coach Pressers are never impressive, very few coaches will publicly ridicule the team or individual players... I have no doubt that the reviews of games under Fagan and Co have been ruthless and truthful behind closed doors.

You don't become a 5 year top 4 side and Grand Finalist with a timid, placating coaching group.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I know you cop flak for Lester 3KZ but fwiiw I agree with you.

I've loved the way Froggy goes about it these last 20 or so games.

The scribes on here go out of their way to pick up any faults in his game but don't apply the same rigorous scrutiny to a few others who maybe could take a leaf out of his effort.

I know he's not the most gifted player going around but he makes the best out of what he has and has made himself a lot better than I ever thought he would be.

I was 100% right about Lester and I am comfortable with that fact. You and I have watched a lot of football and we know what to look for.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Coach Pressers are never impressive, very few coaches will publicly ridicule the team or individual players... I have no doubt that the reviews of games under Fagan and Co have been ruthless and truthful behind closed doors.

You don't become a 5 year top 4 side and Grand Finalist with a timid, placating coaching group.

The selection table this week will be the real test M Malice. If the Mulligans come out Fagan is simply going to look weak.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Those statements come after the review of the game so where do you think they came from?

Lachie Neale would have spoken with the consent and authority of the club. Better to come from the coach though. Was Neale playing ‘bad cop’ to Fagan’s ‘good cop’? Selection will tell us a lot this week.

 

[martinson]

Coach Pressers are never impressive, very few coaches will publicly ridicule the team or individual players... I have no doubt that the reviews of games under Fagan and Co have been ruthless and truthful behind closed doors.

You don't become a 5 year top 4 side and Grand Finalist with a timid, placating coaching group.

I dunno. Barassi ,Blight, Sheedy , Malthouse and others who don't instantly spring to mind dropped a bucket on teams and players from time to time and it seemed to have a positive effect on the way they played afterwards.

 

[Dalions]

Selection will tell us a lot this week.

That is where we will get nothing.

Replacement for Kiddy and maybe JL out I hope.
But that will be about it.

 

[martinson]

That is where we will get nothing.

Replacement for Kiddy and maybe JL out I hope.
But that will be about it.

Agree. Anyone who might be in the gun will be given a chance or chances . That's been the policy ever since Fagan came along.

It's not as if we have anyone banging the door down on what we've seen in the pre season.

If we lose again then there could be a change or two.

I hope we don't rush Connor back from a hammy. His role became a lot more important after Friday.

 

[M Malice]

I dunno. Barassi ,Blight, Sheedy , Malthouse and others who don't instantly spring to mind dropped a bucket on teams and players from time to time and it seemed to have a positive effect on the way they played afterwards.

I remember Malthouse being a cranky guy but IIRC most of it was directed at Journos.

Have no recollection as to what Sheedy was like... Barassi and Blight were a long long time ago before I even followed AFL, completely different era culturally too.

 

[Dalions]

Agree. Anyone who might be in the gun will be given a chance or chances . That's been the policy ever since Fagan came along.

It's not as if we have anyone banging the door down on what we've seen in the pre season.

If we lose again then there could be a change or two.

I hope we don't rush Connor back from a hammy. His role became a lot more important after Friday.

I think he has had about a month so that’s a decent time on the side Lines

 

[Dalions]

I remember Malthouse being a cranky guy but IIRC most of it was directed at Journos.

Have no recollection as to what Sheedy was like... Barassi and Blight were a long long time ago before I even followed AFL, completely different era culturally too.

There is not too many coaches that will publicly speak down about certain players or criticise their own performance.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Could do a Beveridge. Or learn from his old mate Clarko and call opposition players ********ers

 

[martinson]

There is not too many coaches that will publicly speak down about certain players or criticise their own performance.

It's all a matter of timing and impact.

Just firing a rocket out on the rare occasion seemed to really have a positive impact back in the day.

Of course those coaches generally had good teams at their disposal , which meant good reserves.

Organisations these days have become so sterile and petrified of offending anybody that any presser sounds exactly the same as anyone else's every week. Don't even know why they bother , it's so boring.

Not advocating anything, just observations.