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Isn’t that the case everywhere?
Yes, the digital tv/radio process has an unavoidable delay of about 10 seconds compared to analogue, which was what killed radio-TV simulcasts like Roy & HG's calls of RL and AFL grand finals from their card table. Video over the internet adds more delay again, might be about 20s.
 
I remember watching games on delay back in 2003 and getting the result spoiled occasionally before I moved away so at least there's a couple more years there.

Just did digging - 2002 was the first year every game was shown live or on delay, which is probably what you're thinking of. I think 2012 was the first year of the deal that meant every NSW/Qld game was live and every local team game would be on FTA, the combination getting us where we are today.
I'm sure you're right, but I don't remember watching Lions games on delay during that time other than those played on Friday night, which were fairly rare. My memory isn't what it once was though!
 
I'm sure you're right, but I don't remember watching Lions games on delay during that time other than those played on Friday night, which were fairly rare. My memory isn't what it once was though!
Honestly can't remember which night games - could well have been Friday nights only, but I thought it was Saturdays too. I mainly know the year because I lived in a share house in 2003 and I remember setting up camp in the rumpus room until after midnight.
 
Yes, the digital tv/radio process has an unavoidable delay of about 10 seconds compared to analogue, which was what killed radio-TV simulcasts like Roy & HG's calls of RL and AFL grand finals from their card table. Video over the internet adds more delay again, might be about 20s.
The large screen viewing at The Gabba has a 1-3 second delay
It is a long way to and back from those satellites:)
 

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Honestly can't remember which night games - could well have been Friday nights only, but I thought it was Saturdays too. I mainly know the year because I lived in a share house in 2003 and I remember setting up camp in the rumpus room until after midnight.
You're right though in that the 2012 deal was the first one that didn't actively withhold live games from Qld/NSW fans. The new deal is a slight step back but at least you can watch the games live for a price.
 
You're right though in that the 2012 deal was the first one that didn't actively withhold live games from Qld/NSW fans. The new deal is a slight step back but at least you can watch the games live for a price.
I'd say it's pretty big deal if Qld and NSW stop getting all local team games live and on FTA. That was a big part of the push into our states. Start putting that behind a paywall or on a delay and you'll start losing some casual fans when they can't find the game or it starts going until 11:00pm or later on a Saturday night.
 
I'd say it's pretty big deal if Qld and NSW stop getting all local team games live and on FTA. That was a big part of the push into our states. Start putting that behind a paywall or on a delay and you'll start losing some casual fans when they can't find the game or it starts going until 11:00pm or later on a Saturday night.
Hopefully our exposure is limited. We'll have seven games in that period, one of which will be on Easter Thursday night so on Seven, and it's expected we'll open the season in R0 on Thursday night as well, so fingers crossed it's 2-3 games max. We're a premiership team, play attractive footy and get great crowds, so we're a good chance of getting more Friday and Thursday night games.
 
I have Foxtel so it doesn't matter too much to me, but why would anyone want to watch a game on delay, its not the 90's or early 00's
The grand final is the only game I watch on FTA all year. So many ads, that it's an ad for Kayo/Foxtel in of itself. I don't think I'd be able to watch footy much outside my own team if I had to put up with that
 
Yes, the digital tv/radio process has an unavoidable delay of about 10 seconds compared to analogue, which was what killed radio-TV simulcasts like Roy & HG's calls of RL and AFL grand finals from their card table. Video over the internet adds more delay again, might be about 20s.
When I tried out the SEN Sync function during the season, I had to delay it by about 50 seconds using Foxtel Go.
 

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The large screen viewing at The Gabba has a 1-3 second delay
It is a long way to and back from those satellites:)
I once had a fascinating discussion with someone in TV who had a physics background. Essentially if there is a delay of 2-3 seconds, this basically means the signal is travelling around the world several times before it reaches the receiver.

Incredible when you think about it and how these signals, wherever they are being (mis)directed, are still travelling at the speed of light.
 
Yes. And the two rights holders will have their own calling teams for all matches, even those broadcast by Seven. The trade off for Seven is that they'll be able to put their games on Seven+ live and on demand.

"Boy oh boy wowee!"
- me, when I never have to hear that again
 
Will the Grand Final be on Foxtel ?
I imagine that arrangement will be maintained going forward, given that it's a government regulation that restricts "major" events to free-to-air television live exclusively.

HOWEVER I expect Fox will be able to provide their own commentary team, just they won't be able to broadcast the game until after it's concluded. Similar to how rugby league currently operates with State Of Origin and I think the Grand Final.
 
I once had a fascinating discussion with someone in TV who had a physics background. Essentially if there is a delay of 2-3 seconds, this basically means the signal is travelling around the world several times before it reaches the receiver.

Incredible when you think about it and how these signals, wherever they are being (mis)directed, are still travelling at the speed of light.
Fun fact - a lot of pre-Starlink satellite communications used geosynchronous (positioned so they're always above the same point of the earth) satellites so they could always know there would be a certain number in view for reliability, etc. A geosynchronous orbit is about the same distance as the world's circumference at the equator (~35,000 km vs ~40,000+ km). So yes, if the coverage was beamed to one of those satellites and back to the HQ by a dish on a TV van - it was roughly the equivalent of going around the world twice.
 
I imagine that arrangement will be maintained going forward, given that it's a government regulation that restricts "major" events to free-to-air television live exclusively.

HOWEVER I expect Fox will be able to provide their own commentary team, just they won't be able to broadcast the game until after it's concluded. Similar to how rugby league currently operates with State Of Origin and I think the Grand Final.
No, it was specifically put into the agreement that Foxtel/Kayo would be able to take the Grand Final live.
 

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No, it was specifically put into the agreement that Foxtel/Kayo would be able to take the Grand Final live.
I'm sorry, I have clearly misremembered this aspect of the deal - the grand final is still excluded from being carried live on Foxtel/Kayo.

Seven years, $4.5b: AFL reveals HUGE new broadcast rights deal - https://www.afl.com.au/news/837244
 
So yes, if the coverage was beamed to one of those satellites and back to the HQ by a dish on a TV van - it was roughly the equivalent of going around the world twice.
At light speed?
Which would be about .27 of a sec so there must be further delays.
 
I'd say it's pretty big deal if Qld and NSW stop getting all local team games live and on FTA. That was a big part of the push into our states. Start putting that behind a paywall or on a delay and you'll start losing some casual fans when they can't find the game or it starts going until 11:00pm or later on a Saturday night.

From what's been mentioned 7+ will be live and they have advertised this recently.
You would think that should cover most people watching live anyhow.

But back to FTA for those that can't access 7+
I initially agreed on your overall view, but on a rethink will it have that big an affect especially day/twilight time slots.
Night games a bit different due to late finishes.
Just looking at a half hour delay at AEST. A 7.20 start finishes at around 10.20 pm so that goes out to 10.50 which is a bit late for kids. A 7.10 start is 10.40 so a little better
Any games during daylight saving (finishes 6/4/24) will help Lions/Suns but not Swans/Giants viewers.

How many Saturday games did the Lions get in the first 8 round in 2023 & 2024.
Below times are local AEST and night games bolded.
2024: 1 game- R6 (H) 7.30 pm 20th April
2023: 4 games- R1 (A) 3.35pm 18th March, R5 ((A) gather round) 1.10pm 15th April, R6 (A) 4.35pm 22nd April
R7 (H) 1.45pm 29th April

At a wild guess we may get 2-night games one home one away. Won't be too bad especially if one is during daylight saving.
 
At light speed?
Which would be about .27 of a sec so there must be further delays.
Yeah the maths was pretty mind boggling. Points to layers upon layers of inefficiency being built up over the 60 years or so of television's existence.
 

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