News Ollie Greaves possible NGA 2025 - AFL secret formula says no

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Was he one of the boys training at the club during pre season?

I believe so.

 

[RoughysMullet]

This would be absolutely huge. Watch the AFL say no.

Consensus top 3 player heading into the season - would be huge if ticked off..

Reckon it’s unlikely though- these academies are one of the things the AFL uses to help clubs that suit their agenda ie. Gold Coast getting access to every Queensland talent over the last few years and Bombers getting Kako last year because they’ve got a huge fan base and been shit for so long…

With our recent success can’t see the AFL willing to help us on this one…

 

[A1fromDay1]

If he does have an indigenous background there is nothing the AFL can do to stop the move.

As per the picture any aboriginal footballer qualifies the for NGA academies.

 

[smish]

If he does have an indigenous background there is nothing the AFL can do to stop the move.

As per the picture any aboriginal footballer qualifies the for NGA academies.

The AFL:

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

The AFL:

The AFL:

 

[ahhhhhh]

If he does have an indigenous background there is nothing the AFL can do to stop the move.

As per the picture any aboriginal footballer qualifies the for NGA academies.

Watch them change that criteria to screw us.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Watch them change that criteria to screw us.

I'd love to see how they do it

 

[cryptor]

Would need to find a lot of points to match a likely top 5 bid. Would certainly make trading for Harley this year a lot more challenging.

 

[VandoHawk]

Is that all? We just find an indigenous kid, say he's ours and then ask the afl for sign off?

I really don't know how these guys are allocated/picked

The accessibility of a player is based on the AFL playing politics with clubs.

Each club has had zones allocated to them since 2016. Ours includes the Eastern Ranges. These zones can change based on appeal but largely stay relatively similar.

If a player within this zone qualifies as possessing either an Indigenous background or specific multicultural background, they qualify as NGA.

For example, the Gippsland area is part of our NGA. We were able to select CJ through this. Recent top 10 draftee Alix Tauru played for Gippsland too. However, his father was Scandinavian so he didn't qualify.

We were recently denied Christian Moraes because his father was born in Brazil which didn't qualify as a specific multicultural background.

Ryley Sanders was approved to North Melbourne's NGA in 2023 because (for some reason) areas of Tasmania are in their NGA and he has Indigenous heritage. However, prior to last year, you couldn't select NGA's in the top 40. This was brought in because clubs were unhappy Jamarra was not accessible. It was changed last year because clubs complained that Gold Coast could just bring in 4-5 academy players and they were left disadvantaged. Rather than addressing the problem, the AFL just made things worse.

Essendon were the first beneficiary of this, signing Kako at 13. Cody Anderson played for the Eastern Ranges and qualified for our NGA due to his Indigenous heritage.

If Greeves has an Indigenous background, he would be in exactly the same position as Cody Anderson and (under the current rules) would qualify for our NGA. He is considered a top 5 prospect at the moment.

 

[Hawkspot]

I know there’s many who believe the AFL hate the club, and to a point I agree.

Even then I’m not sure they could find a way to get out of this though. Indigenous player, in our region, who we plan on signing as a NGA player.

Unless they try to change rules to stop it, which would be near on impossible to implement immediately after delaying other draft rule changes a year to be fair.

Plenty of clubs take the piss out of academy systems, we might as well join in.

 

[GerryLewis]

I think every single board on BigFooty believe the AFL has a specific agenda against them. We, unfortunately, are no different on here. If the kid fits the criteria, he comes to us.

 

[Pinoy Hawk]

Yep, he looks happy wearing our guernsey.





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[eldorado]

That would be such a ****ing coup!!!

 

[HedgeFund]

No chance we get him then

Seriously though, how can this kind of thing - which can make or break club’s long term success - not completely black and white and therefore up to afl discretion.

What a farce.

Plz.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

This will totally blow up the NGA system if we pull this off.

Fair enough as well as personally I hate all the academies and other rorts than make our draft the most compromised in world sport.

The fact that the AFL gets to decide which specific cultural backgrounds qualifies for NGA status is pretty problematic when you think about it for a second.

Still we may as well get in one big ass rort ourselves before it all gets dismantled

 

[Bardo State]

I think every single board on BigFooty believe the AFL has a specific agenda against them. We, unfortunately, are no different on here. If the kid fits the criteria, he comes to us.

Yeah less a case of hating Hawthorn and more a case of a financially successful club that is already good and has premierships in recent memory drafting a kid who might not have needed the pathway assistance to make the league (I don't know how much Hawthorn have worked with him or what his circumstances are).

Could be a worst case imaging issue for the AFL and these academies.

I thought it was the right call at the time but Melbourne really did get screwed with Mac Andrew in hindsight.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Yeah less a case of hating Hawthorn and more a case of a financially successful club that is already good and has premierships in recent memory drafting a kid who might not have needed the pathway assistance to make the league (I don't know how much Hawthorn have worked with him or what his circumstances are).

Could be a worst case imaging issue for the AFL and these academies.

I thought it was the right call at the time but Melbourne really did get screwed with Mac Andrew in hindsight.

It will be a PR nightmare for the AFL.

I imagine the NGA academy was set up for players from disadvantaged backgrounds (say Indigenous players from remote communities) getting a hand to make it.

What we have here is a gun kid from the suburbs in Melbourne going to a highly successful and wealthy club in Hawks.

The other clubs will go ballistic of we pull this off which I can't see us not going by the way the rules are written (it doesn't state what percentage Indigenous you need to be in the rules).

 

[Tomohawks]

Like someone posted earlier he could cost us a lot of draft points which comprises our Harley pursuit this year. Hopefully we can convince him to delay it a year if he has his heart set on us.

 

[tl92]

Anyone know how Ollie qualifies as Aboriginal?

 

[Red4]

If it was us 4 years ago we would get it but nowadays I doubt it, the rules are a farce the league bends them as much as they like

 

[South of the Yarra]

Anyone know how Ollie qualifies as Aboriginal?

Usually, the only thing that qualifies you as being Aboriginal, is being Aboriginal.

 

[Bardo State]

Anyone know how Ollie qualifies as Aboriginal?

Pretty simple. He'll have aboriginal heritage. I don't think it's a good idea for people to be demanding the family tree. Questioning whether Aboriginal people are black enough is bad form (not saying this is where you're going but it's inevitable in this country, unfortunately). Lots of people taken away from families, attempted to be bred out of existence. Aboriginal nations being pretty broad and welcoming of people who have aboriginal heritage is partly a response to that.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Pretty simple. He'll have aboriginal heritage. I don't think it's a good idea for people to be demanding the family tree. Questioning whether Aboriginal people are black enough is bad form (not saying this is where you're going but it's inevitable in this country, unfortunately). Lots of people taken away from families, attempted to be bred out of existence. Aboriginal nations being pretty broad and welcoming of people who have aboriginal heritage is partly a response to that.

Deadset, some of the comments I’ve seen on social media already in regards to this news have been pretty ****ing disgusting about the fact that he doesn’t look black so therefore he can’t be of aboriginal heritage.

Guess what dickhead’s I don’t look much like my grandparents but I’m still a direct descendent.

My long-term aboriginal partner had an auntie who was born of children from the stolen generation, she had blue eyes and blonde hair, her two brother’s were far darker, but still with blue eyes.

The idea that anyone gets to judge if someone is aboriginal based on the pigment of their skin or whether they can tell or not is pretty shite.

 

[matey]

Geez the kid looks like a unit already how exciting ……. will be watching this one closely

 

[smeltitdeltit]

What’s the go with NGA rules now? A year or two ago wasn’t it you could only match a bid for a player outside 40?