Autopsy Geelong turn out the Power by 76 points.

[goyoucatters]

He never used to swear like he does now

I remember watching him in early interviews with the Dogs and he was very well spoken.

He just seems like a loose unit in almost every way. Apart from the manner in which he prepares to play football, really.

And provided he can continue to present on the field as a gamebreaker and dynamic contributor, all the chatter off the field becomes just that. Which was probably Gryan's point, really.

 

[patience]

He never used to swear like he does now

I remember watching him in early interviews with the Dogs and he was very well spoken.

He’s permitted to be himself now.

 

[Spearman]

You might be right, but often we probably confuse cause-effect with coincidence. Things can happen at the same time without one explaining the other. We miss peak Hawkins and Rohan - that's a bigger factor than Dangerfield disrupting things. Well that's my perspective anyway. We missed Miers badly for 2 and a half games. Sometimes one confidence boosting game is enough to bring players into form - Close, Cameron, maybe next it's Stengle and Henry. But I wouldn't conclude out of that "ah geez, they just couldn't play alongside Dangerfield!". Henry maybe, but not the whole forward line.

I think disrupting is probably too strong a word. Distracting maybe, or overly magnetic lol. His presence commands attention, and he's a proactive do-er. The younger guys especially might be subconsciously letting him do his thing instead of leading into what might his lane. Kind of like a few years before where much of the team was waiting for him or Joel to take over and win it instead of going in first themselves (and knocking PFD and JS out of the way in the process). A subconscious seniority/talent/aggression pecking order if you want.
Definitely Miers helps as he hits up who's open usually. That's why I think this enforce resting of PFD will help those young forwards get themselves sorted out, especially between themselves. They are the future after all. And good delivery will greatly aid that.
I don't really know, I've never even watched a game live, let alone played, but I played team sports for most of my life. Team interpersonal dynamics is an interesting thing. Really, really wish I could get some full game vids from behind the posts to get into it better.
Cheers

 

[Spearman]

He’s permitted to be himself now.

Or he found himself during the long layoff.

 

[Mr Meow]

I think disrupting is probably too strong a word. Distracting maybe, or overly magnetic lol. His presence commands attention, and he's a proactive do-er. The younger guys especially might be subconsciously letting him do his thing instead of leading into what might his lane. Kind of like a few years before where much of the team was waiting for him or Joel to take over and win it instead of going in first themselves (and knocking PFD and JS out of the way in the process). A subconscious seniority/talent/aggression pecking order if you want.
Definitely Miers helps as he hits up who's open usually. That's why I think this enforce resting of PFD will help those young forwards get themselves sorted out, especially between themselves. They are the future after all. And good delivery will greatly aid that.
I don't really know, I've never even watched a game live, let alone played, but I played team sports for most of my life. Team interpersonal dynamics is an interesting thing. Really, really wish I could get some full game vids from behind the posts to get into it better.
Cheers

Yeah I'm definitely not discrediting these points, they probably play a part but just not to the massive black and white degree that sometimes gets made out.

We squeezed Mannagh in last year. Maybe he took the limelight off Close and Miers to some degree, but they made it work. Likewise when we squeezed Henry in alongside Hawkins and Cameron 2023.

Without the stats it's hard to know for sure, but I think we've kicked it plenty to all forwards besides probably Henry this year. Sometimes it is also a case of the forwards also not working hard or smart enough to get involved. Dangerfield is just too good to be kept quiet no matter where you put him.

Remember, some of these issues with players such as Neale, Henry and Close popped up last year in the Dangerfield-free forward line. Cameron went missing in a handful of big games.

Anyway, we'll find out end of season how this forward mix is going when Dangerfield is back. If there's someone's spot it looks like he clashes with, I'd say it's Henry's. I'm firmly of the view that he isn't putting the brakes on any other forwards. If Henry wasn't playing, I have no doubt Cameron would sit deeper.

 

[Spearman]

Yeah I'm definitely not discrediting these points, they probably play a part but just not to the massive black and white degree that sometimes gets made out.

We squeezed Mannagh in last year. Maybe he took the limelight off Close and Miers to some degree, but they made it work. Likewise when we squeezed Henry in alongside Hawkins and Cameron 2023.

Without the stats it's hard to know for sure, but I think we've kicked it plenty to all forwards besides probably Henry this year. Sometimes it is also a case of the forwards also not working hard or smart enough to get involved. Dangerfield is just too good to be kept quiet no matter where you put him.

Remember, some of these issues with players such as Neale, Henry and Close popped up last year in the Dangerfield-free forward line. Cameron went missing in a handful of big games.

Anyway, we'll find out end of season how this forward mix is going when Dangerfield is back. If there's someone's spot it looks like he clashes with, I'd say it's Henry's. I'm firmly of the view that he isn't putting the brakes on any other forwards. If Henry wasn't playing, I have no doubt Cameron would sit deeper.

Yeah, I was thinking the whole situation would be different if OH, SO, or Stengel had made the most of their chances. We would be discussing why the hell Dangerfield wasn't producing more or something.
You're right in that Dangerfield isn't taking anyone's turf. I don't know if its an apt comparison, but could Henry move around, at least inside the arc, more like a Fritsch who seems to find spaces? I dislike my ignorance of what goes on between the forwards during play. Are their looks and nods, or is everyone kind of on their own to find space? I would thing with a strong lead from PFD or Neale would draw some other defenders and someone like OH could slip out to some space, IF the guy kicking it saw him that is. That's what frustrates me it not knowing how they orchestrate themselves I50. Would be fascinating to listen in on a forwards meeting and training session.

 

[dudusmaximus]

For God so wanted Dempsey to be a success he sent his only son

He had 2 sons. You are forgetting Nathan..

 

[dudusmaximus]

Only saw snippets of the game but it seems Close was doing some Close things again.

Not at all confident going into next week, feel we will treat it as a battle and the Bulldogs will treat it as a war.

I like the "Battle vs War" framing. The Cats always assume there's tomorrow while it is existential for some teams..

 

[Commando]

I like the "Battle vs War" framing. The Cats always assume there's tomorrow while it is existential for some teams..

Yeah, we'd love the four points but in the scheme of things it's still just four points.
We are the notch in the belt everyone wants.

 

[dudusmaximus]

The blokes Mullin is tagging are still getting a bit of the ball (Daicos 28, Butters 20) but their effectiveness is basically in the dirt. Just based on that it's probably better he goes to guys who do damage in space and not the ones whose job it is to feed it out to those guys IE give him one of the guys who Libba feeds the ball to and not Libba himself.

Interesting. It used to be that you tag the main extractor (fewer of those than distributors). You are advocating tagging the main distributor. The one they have an unhealthy reliance on and cannot bypass..

 

[dudusmaximus]

Folks contrasting Turner/Dempsey got me thinking about how players have evolved..

• Defensive forwards
• Offensive defenders
• Roaming Mids (forward & back)
• Mobile Rucks (resting forward or back)
• Taggers who hurt the other way

We were ahead of the curve with Scarlo, Blitz etc.

Assuming a minimum skill level, I wonder if endurance is more important than the extra skill "topping"?

 

[Play it Sam]

Yeah, I was thinking the whole situation would be different if OH, SO, or Stengel had made the most of their chances. We would be discussing why the hell Dangerfield wasn't producing more or something.
You're right in that Dangerfield isn't taking anyone's turf. I don't know if its an apt comparison, but could Henry move around, at least inside the arc, more like a Fritsch who seems to find spaces? I dislike my ignorance of what goes on between the forwards during play. Are their looks and nods, or is everyone kind of on their own to find space? I would thing with a strong lead from PFD or Neale would draw some other defenders and someone like OH could slip out to some space, IF the guy kicking it saw him that is. That's what frustrates me it not knowing how they orchestrate themselves I50. Would be fascinating to listen in on a forwards meeting and training session.

Be assured, there is minute planning. They are trained to within an inch of their lives, both on the field and in technical aspects. You only have to listen to Blicavs saying we are trained in so many different scenarios- that was said after a close game. I've been told before, from someone who knows, that losses almost always occur when the game plan is not carried out. Psychologically, Bailey Smith is right when he says the positive side of their skills is what's highlighted - "not what you can't do".

The problem, or challenge, is for those planned aspects to work on the day, and depends largely on opposition and who is being prevented from contributing. Obviously, gut running and teamwork to instigate. Also relies on the integrity and skill of our coaching panel to identify lapses and offer solutions. They all earn their money, like a game of monopoly.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He never used to swear like he does now

I remember watching him in early interviews with the Dogs and he was very well spoken.

I think it's self reinvention

He gets to be who he wants here

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Interesting. It used to be that you tag the main extractor (fewer of those than distributors). You are advocating tagging the main distributor. The one they have an unhealthy reliance on and cannot bypass..

Bont a worthy tag but I would still target Richards

 

[Gazzathegoat]

It’s honestly baffling that we played Danger against Port. He looked sluggish against GWS and still, we should’ve won that game. But because we didn’t, it probably forced the club’s hand — rolled him out again a week later instead of taking the long view.

Surely if we’d knocked off GWS, he gets managed through the Port and/or Bulldogs game with the five-day break. Instead, we went the risky route and now he’s out for 3–4 with a hammy. Was it worth it? Clearly not, especially considering we belted Port without him.

It’s been one of the worst injury runs I can remember. Thankfully, it sounds like Stanley, Kolo and Stewart will be back this week. Out go Bowes and Danger, and fingers crossed that’s the last soft tissue drama for a while.

 

[The_Koulouriotis_Fan]

Bont a worthy tag but I would still target Richards

Size wise, Mullin seems a better match up for Richards anyway

 

[Pollywaffle]

Reynoldson was more a KF though. Classic "built like Tarzan, played like Jane". In today's terms, he would have been short for a KF. Not a bad comparison.

I see Ollie as our Ryan Gamble or perhaps David Cameron type. Promising in glimpses but ultimately destined to disappoint.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I didn’t realise Richards was going so well this season.

Certainly could be Mullin’s next target.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I didn’t realise Richards was going so well this season.

Certainly could be Mullin’s next target.

I think he's going to be more effective on him than Bont for sure. Dogs fans whinge about Smith but he'd probably be playing half back there

 

[Munich]

I think it's self reinvention

He gets to be who he wants here

I guess.

But the dogs do have Libba who appears able to be himself and isn't exactly straighty 180.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I guess.

But the dogs do have Libba who appears able to be himself and isn't exactly straighty 180.

Libba is the right kind of loose for bevo though

 

[iameviljez]

I've not been around this thread this weekend. Have we come around to bagging the crap out of Neale, O Henry, SDK and Mullin yet, as per usual by Page 10?

 

[Munich]

I've not been around this thread this weekend. Have we come around to bagging the crap out of Neale, O Henry, SDK and Mullin yet, as per usual by Page 10?

I think the Mullin haters like him now

 

[cats_09]

I think the Mullin haters like him now

They flip flop each week

He was seen to have played an acceptable game against Collingwood, but there seemed uncertainty about his match against GWS so some still wanted him out as "we're playing a man down"

Not sure we've seen enough of the real downers to know how they'll flip this week

 

[cats_09]

Some Irish love in the team of the week