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[Accidental genius]

How are campo boys tracking?

When can we expect to see them playing at afl standard ?

Are they likely to become an A grade mid/wingman?

 

[Juddernaut08]

Talk about apples and oranges!!!

You do realise that Reid plays for West Coast???

Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra, Reid...

GOOD LUCK getting anywhere near that midfield...

with our structures and gameplan we would still be mid

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Don't we have Cerra, Walsh, E.Hollands, Smith and Lord on top of Cripps/Hewett? Have the Camporeale's developing with Ben the inside mid long term replacement for Cripps/Hewett. And then Walker hopefully joining the club the following year as a father-son. I'm all for adding another midfield option but think you are leaving out quite a few names there.

Meant more for next year:

• While I'm confident with Smith... it will be his first season...
• Lord still has a long way to go to prove himself. Happy with his progress so far though.
• Ben hasn't played a game yet, Lucas only a couple.
• Elijah... let's wait and see with him, but he's more of a forward than mid anyway.
• Walsh I believe is leaving next year.
• Cerra has had an improved year, but nothing special.
• Walker isn't playing until rd1 2027... So, irrelevant for next year.

Currently:

• We don't have a mid that can hit targets by foot, particularly when delivering i50.
• They don't spread, they don't work to provide options for our backline / very stagnant.
• Haven't got a clue how to setup d50 stoppages.
• Haven't got a clue how to setup when we are taking a set shot... so many times teams go coast to coast after we kick a behind... cardinal sin at AFL level... even WC did this to us...
• Don't kick enough goals.
• They gravitate to the opposition ball carrier, leaving options open.
• Lack leg speed and outside run.
• We don't have mids that can reliably take overhead marks... Kennedy was probably our best in that regard...

 

[Juddernaut08]

another 29 disposals and 2 goals from matty kennedy

happy for him but geez wish we could have made it work with such a talent

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Talk about apples and oranges!!!

You do realise that Reid plays for West Coast???

Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Cerra, Reid...

GOOD LUCK getting anywhere near that midfield...

What? That's just our current midfield with Reid added to it...

Hahaha yeah good luck... Cripps, Walsh and Cerra have hardly impacted games this year, certainly not correlating with what we're paying them...

Cripps deserves an out, he has runs on the board. The other two... well Walsh is injured + played out of position. Cerra has been better this year but still a bit below his 2023 level.

 

[marcmurphy3]

another 29 disposals and 2 goals from matty kennedy

happy for him but geez wish we could have made it work with such a talent

Averaging 25 touches, 6 clearances and 1.3 goals per game. That is elite.

He also looks quicker with better ball use in the bulldogs system.

 

[Coona Blues]

Averaging 25 touches, 6 clearances and 1.3 goals per game. That is elite.

He also looks quicker with better ball use in the bulldogs system.

Looks quicker due to a more offensive game style. Dogs defence is somewhat maligned, but when on, the offensive juggernaut alleviates the need for a gilt edged defence.

Defence first is a mantra across the competition, but we take it to a new level. We throw incongruous numbers in to defensive first roles. This goes a fair way to explaining our “fade outs”. I believe Voss and co are so determined to justify our “desired” game that we revert to a negating mindset after establishing a “perhaps” early ascendency.

We need to keep the foot down, not play to maintain a position. This is an opinion, it is widely accepted that running offensively is “easier” than working back defensively. Why defend when we have the ammo to have the oppo chasing.

This game is an opportunity to genuinely “blood” some of our group.

O’Keeffe needs at least 30% ruck minutes. TDK could do with a little lesser workload for a week(Xerri awaits)
Lord should thrive off some time in clearance mode. (Hoping Durds is in the 22 to chop out as a mid, leaving Motlop as a forward)
Give Carroll more responsibility coming out of defence, a few kick outs etc. We need to embrace the kids as integral, not have them mopping up for the old boys. They need full integration.
We need Charlie and McGovern “on their bikes”, creating space. Crippa needs “structured” forward minutes.
I have mixed feelings about Doc’s return to defence. Still believe it is his best spot, but we need Carroll, Cowan, Ollie, Boyd, Cincotta and maybe Wilson properly integrated in to the group with McGovern, Haynes, Saad, Docherty and Newman close to their finish lines.

 

[SurreyBlue]

another 29 disposals and 2 goals from matty kennedy

happy for him but geez wish we could have made it work with such a talent

Averaging 25 touches, 6 clearances and 1.3 goals per game. That is elite.

He also looks quicker with better ball use in the bulldogs system.

It’s really that obvious and frustrating.
Also, watching Setterfield over the last month it highlights our list management.
We drafted and traded 4 to 5 very similar players, including Hewett. Just not smart.

 

[Chookaradley]

We are no longer fighting to keep TDK. We would like to retain him but if he goes, he goes.

 

[Coona Blues]

It’s really that obvious and frustrating.
Also, watching Setterfield over the last month it highlights our list management.
We drafted and traded 4 to 5 very similar players, including Hewett. Just not smart.

Bam Bam/Chugga always was a hybrid time and nit a plodder. Hewett was also a hybrid who could play back or forward until he fell under the Voss regime. Cerra was as much distributor as mid, but now has lesser disposal efficiency/potency as a dedicated inside mid (unless a whim sends him to half back).

I struggle to read the demise of Walsh’s prolific two way running. Do we blame his deployment or his body? Are those factors mutually exclusive? (Clearly no.)

 

[RAPPA]

The reported money differential is significant. Potential success is also a genuine consideration. Unfortunately the club fluffed it from the second half of last year, as it isn’t showing that it is anywhere near being on the cusp of.a premiership tilt. Not to say he still wouldn’t sign with the Saints, but if we were a genuine too 4 team and in the hunt, it would be a compelling countervailing point.

 

[Red_man2008]

I don't believe for a second the numbers being spouted for St Kilda's offer to TDK are anywhere near accurate. It'll be heavily incentive based for sure as well.

There's only 2 scenarios I see if TDK does not re-sign -

We match and TDK stays, and is happy to do so.

We match, on the proviso that TDK and his manager are onboard with forcing St Kilda to pay up with draft picks or third club involved players.

Most of the best RFAs last year didn't re-sign until July and August so not surprised nothing has happened yet.

Free agency offers can’t be incentivised. They need to be clear cut and defined so that terms can be matched.

 

[marcmurphy3]

The reported money differential is significant. Potential success is also a genuine consideration. Unfortunately the club fluffed it from the second half of last year, as it isn’t showing that it is anywhere near being on the cusp of.a premiership tilt. Not to say he still wouldn’t sign with the Saints, but if we were a genuine too 4 team and in the hunt, it would be a compelling countervailing point.

Thats true. Hard to persuade TDK to pick success (us) over $ (saints) when success looks pretty unlikely. Probably same with Walsh next year unless we can turn things around.

Another reason we need to make a call on the coaching team now if theyre not up to it. Can't afford to give them another year and end up being wrong.

 

[Juice030103]

I can understand If he left for Geelong but saints I just can’t understand. I think they have good youth but they get rubbish crowds and have no culture

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

TDK is no superstar. St Kilda are praying he can be their Luke Jackson type player paired with Marshall, but TDK rarely does anything forward and has never kicked double digit goals ever.

Anyways the "1.4-1.7" is surely being fed by his management. It's fantasy. I suspect the difference between their and our offer is only in the region of 2.5mil overall.



SDK on the record as saying he owes everything to Selwood and the club. Sounds like the loyal type and will get a great deal with the next 2 salary cap rises being known then and locked in.

And yet there were rumblings of discontent late last year....

 

[2blue4u]

We are no longer fighting to keep TDK. We would like to retain him but if he goes, he goes.

Good. Graheme Wright is not a big fan of paying massive contracts either i read somewhere. Believes in spreading the love.

 

[2blue4u]

Thats true. Hard to persuade TDK to pick success (us) over $ (saints) when success looks pretty unlikely. Probably same with Walsh next year unless we can turn things around.

Another reason we need to make a call on the coaching team now if theyre not up to it. Can't afford to give them another year and end up being wrong.

IF Voss was to be moved on any rumblings or any thoughts on who they might go after?

 

[Pablito]

I can understand If he left for Geelong but saints I just can’t understand. I think they have good youth but they get rubbish crowds and have no culture

Just think about it a little harder. You'll figure it out soon.

 

[blues4flag]

Bam Bam/Chugga always was a hybrid time and nit a plodder. Hewett was also a hybrid who could play back or forward until he fell under the Voss regime. Cerra was as much distributor as mid, but now has lesser disposal efficiency/potency as a dedicated inside mid (unless a whim sends him to half back).

I struggle to read the demise of Walsh’s prolific two way running. Do we blame his deployment or his body? Are those factors mutually exclusive? (Clearly no.)

I'm not a medical expert, but is 16km of high speed running on a wing (especially on a form turf at Marvel) really all that easier on a bung back than a more inside role?

 

[Michael Jezz]

another 29 disposals and 2 goals from matty kennedy

happy for him but geez wish we could have made it work with such a talent

Ofarrel will be of more value than Kennedy overtime

 

[Soapy V]

I'm a massive fan of Kennedy but given our list and how we play he wouldn't make a big difference to us. Altough, IMO it does highlight how we don't use or get the best out of our players

More SC room and the addition of O'Farrell is a big positive for us. Time to move on

 

[SurreyBlue]

Ofarrel will be of more value than Kennedy overtime

I do agree but not the point. No-one can say we couldn’t have drafted HoF at one of our later picks.
Kennedy, Hewett, Setterfiled, Cripps are all similar type of players. 2 of these, Cripps and Kennedy can play forward. Other 2 cannot play another role. Thankfully Stocker found another role, as you could have added him to this list.
I don’t see Cerra and Walsh as part of this group. More run and carry - thankfully.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I do agree but not the point. No-one can say we couldn’t have drafted HoF at one of our later picks.
Kennedy, Hewett, Setterfiled, Cripps are all similar type of players. 2 of these, Cripps and Kennedy can play forward. Other 2 cannot play another role. Thankfully Stocker found another role, as you could have added him to this list.
I don’t see Cerra and Walsh as part of this group. More run and carry - thankfully.

Huh?

Nothing was stopping another team selecting HOF

 

[SurreyBlue]

Huh?

Nothing was stopping another team selecting HOF

Agree. Could have drafted him earlier or later. As I said, might have been available at our later pick(s).

 

[Gointocarlton]

I can understand If he left for Geelong but saints I just can’t understand. I think they have good youth but they get rubbish crowds and have no culture

I could give you 12 million reasons why he will go to StK.