Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[btdg]

Mate, we lost to Richmond in round 1, which was GAME 1 of their rebuild.

So what? We were underdone in pre-season, and weird things happen in round 1. Well done to Richmond for taking their chance

Collingwood got absolutely smoked in their first hitout by GWS, and are now the premiership favourites. Freo lost round 1 by 78 and they're going ok. It happens.

In the end, we've ended up pretty much where we belong. We were 8th last year on the back of 46 Cripps Brownlow votes, and our list took a big step backwards with a lot of veterans departing. 12th seems pretty much on par, and I don't undersatnd the panic at all...

 

[Aphrodite]

Cool story. I mean, I happy not to give you guys the info if that's what you want.

Don’t take any notice of the newly registered 2 days ago ‘newbie’ MS3.

Doubt they are even a Carlton supporter.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Nah, see this is the predictable Carlton response. "Wah, Wah, we are very slightly worse than we expected this year. Throw out the baby, the bathwater, the shower curtain, all the bath toys and call in the cleaners because we are completely rebuilding this bathroom from scratch. And we're getting the RIGHT people in to do it this time"

"Season is over for us". No it isn't. There are four games left - almost a quarter of the season. You are going to watch them, I'm going to watch them, and there is a world of difference between ending the year on a 5 game losing streak and ending it with 5 wins in 6 games. All of those games are winnable, too.

"Play the kids". Sure. Aren't we doing that? Don't we want to give them a memorable first experience? Same goes for the veterans who are retiring, playing in milestone games, others who are playing for their careers (maybe trying a new position, maybe just having one last crack). Don't we want to give them a good shot? I'm sure they are rapt that instead of talking game plan their coach has been out all week denying that their star full forward wants to play for Gold Coast. "Ok Binnsy, you are in for this week. Kick it long to Charlie who totally wants to be playing with you, I promise".

Is there a world where a properly focused Voss and playing group aren't distracted by a week of turmoil, and instead put together a more cohesive game plan, don't get beaten senseless in the first quarter vs Hawthorn, and go on to a narrow but inspiring win, that sets up a great run to the end of the year?

I don't know if that's possible, and none of us ever will, because Carlton can simply NEVER allow its team that sort of headspace. Instead the second we are out of finals contention the 'cleanout starts' because its always about sacking until we find the RIGHT people, and no one is ever allowed to have a down year, and then have a chance to turn it around. I mean, we've dropped all the way from 8th to TWELFTH while dealing with a bunch of unexpected injuries and issues- definitely time to hit the panic button.

'Clear the decks before the draft'. Well yes - the draft is scheduled for November 19th, roughly four months away. We can't keep a tight ship and try to maintain an air of professionalism until the last playing game of the season, because that would leave us only three months to get ready? Sorry, I don't buy that.

What on earth would sacking Lloyd today achieve? Some sense of validation for bitter supporters who want blood, any blood, not realising that as soon as blood hits the water in footy, the sharks arrive and start taking chunks from places that you might not have wanted (ie: SOS, Charlie, and whoever else is next...)?

For that matter, whoever thought it was a good idea to announce Wright was taking over in August, before the end of the season, has a lot of thinking to do about what they are trying to achieve. From what has come out in a few places today, it seems that's been the catalyst for a lot of people inside the club going into self-preservation mode and both players and administrators starting to pretty up the resume and look elsewhere.

Well, experience says that when any organisation goes into that mode you lose the pieces you want to keep (because they find a suitor elsewhere quickest) and get left trying to save face with the less attractive options. That's the pathway to a 'full rebuild (tm)'

I just wish for once we hadn't gone down this route. Why can't we be Sydney, who are arguably having a worse year so far - dropped from second to probably missing finals (current match notwithstanding). Why aren't they sacking the whole footy department and blowing it all up, or facing a mass walkout?

Love the thought you've put into this post btdg even if I don't agree with all of it.

The game constantly has pressure and distractions. If the coach and players can't handle that and focus as professional athletes and with access to sports psychologists then we will be waiting forever to get a situation where everyone has a good headspace.

As for it only being a drop from 8th to 12th- that's looking on the surface only. No one can honestly say they think Voss is the right man for this job and/or that the teams performance has been acceptable. What has he shown as a coach that makes him stack up against the best coaches in the league? What has been good about his use of the sub? About his team selection? About us neglecting skills based training in favour of reviews? Does he make adequate and quick tactical changes on game day? Does this team yo-yo every year from being good at one aspect then suddenly poor at it the following year but strong in another area? Point is.. it's not so much the ladder position rather the clear proof now that he's falling short in many areas. He's never been known as a great tactician but that would somewhat be OK if he was a good motivator. At the moment the players don't seem too motivated. He's been blessed with key pillars right down the spine and has talent that many teams dream of. He's just seemingly poor at maximising those key pieces to the point that many supporters have actually been mentally drained and worn down and started thinking we should trade away our best players. You don't trade your best players. You find a way of maximising their skill sets.

Injuries are part of the game. We will always have them. A strong coach has a game plan that isn't so heavily reliant on the big name players so they can be covered to a degree by next man up. Unfortunately our game style lends itself to needing the big dogs out on the field because if we aren't winning the contested ball and taking a big clunk up forward we are useless. Player positioning is so poor and that's on game plan. Can't remember the last time a small forward got to the right spot for a crumb. They look bloody lost and confused out there. Don't know when to launch an attack, too afraid to pull the trigger on a riskier kick. So we get slow, long kicks down the wing and ignore the short pass onto the 50. So often we turn down that option.

Agree with your points about the timing of announcing Wright taking over. That had no possible good outcome. Just sent everyone into self preservation and IMO was another poor decision by this club. But I also don't see what good keeping Voss on to the end of the year is achieving other than letting discontent fester throughout the club and leading to our players wanting out and other clubs circling like vultures. The bandaid should have been ripped off weeks ago.

Now we have a situation where everyone is struggling to find motivation to play week in week out, some staff know they are gone, some players know they are gone, and we're just going through the motions. I've never seen so many supporters this emotionally checked out on the club. Even in our darkest times the supporters were still more upbeat. A lot of us are losing our enjoyment watching this game and that's genuinely sad because we all love this bloody club.

 

[btdg]

You related to the captain of the Titanic?

Sadly, the Titanic didn't get to keep going after the Iceberg, limp its way to the end of its journey, then have a nice 6 month break to repair/recover and improve its crew ahead of a return journey the following year. (lets face it, the Titanic needed an upgraded game plan just as much as we do...)

We have EXACTLY that chance. The ship hasn't sunk, its just listing badly in the water, but no one is going to die and we'll all make it safely back home at the end. In fact, for the few passengers still looking out the window they might even still get a nice moment or two as the ship finds its way to harbour. And we DO get another chance next year... that's the beauty of footy

 

[jaggabagga]

Sadly, the Titanic didn't get to keep going after the Iceberg, limp its way to the end of its journey, then have a nice 6 month break to repair/recover and improve its crew ahead of a return journey the following year. (lets face it, the Titanic needed an upgraded game plan just as much as we do...)

We have EXACTLY that chance. The ship hasn't sunk, its just listing badly in the water, but no one is going to die and we'll all make it safely back home at the end. In fact, for the few passengers still looking out the window they might even still get a nice moment or two as the ship finds its way to harbour. And we DO get another chance next year... that's the beauty of footy

You still think there was an iceberg?

 

[Aphrodite]

This thread has turned into talking

 

[btdg]

Love the thought you've put into this post btdg even if I don't agree with all of it.

The game constantly has pressure and distractions. If the coach and players can't handle that and focus as professional athletes and with access to sports psychologists then we will be waiting forever to get a situation where everyone has a good headspace.

As for it only being a drop from 8th to 12th- that's looking on the surface only. No one can honestly say they think Voss is the right man for this job and/or that the teams performance has been acceptable. What has he shown as a coach that makes him stack up against the best coaches in the league? What has been good about his use of the sub? About his team selection? About us neglecting skills based training in favour of reviews? Does he make adequate and quick tactical changes on game day? Does this team yo-yo every year from being good at one aspect then suddenly poor at it the following year but strong in another area? Point is.. it's not so much the ladder position rather the clear proof now that he's falling short in many areas. He's never been known as a great tactician but that would somewhat be OK if he was a good motivator. At the moment the players don't seem too motivated. He's been blessed with key pillars right down the spine and has talent that many teams dream of. He's just seemingly poor at maximising those key pieces to the point that many supporters have actually been mentally drained and worn down and started thinking we should trade away our best players. You don't trade your best players. You find a way of maximising their skill sets.

Injuries are part of the game. We will always have them. A strong coach has a game plan that isn't so heavily reliant on the big name players so they can be covered to a degree by next man up. Unfortunately our game style lends itself to needing the big dogs out on the field because if we aren't winning the contested ball and taking a big clunk up forward we are useless. Player positioning is so poor and that's on game plan. Can't remember the last time a small forward got to the right spot for a crumb. They look bloody lost and confused out there. Don't know when to launch an attack, too afraid to pull the trigger on a riskier kick. So we get slow, long kicks down the wing and ignore the short pass onto the 50. So often we turn down that option.

Agree with your points about the timing of announcing Wright taking over. That had no possible good outcome. Just sent everyone into self preservation and IMO was another poor decision by this club. But I also don't see what good keeping Voss on to the end of the year is achieving other than letting discontent fester throughout the club and leading to our players wanting out and other clubs circling like vultures. The bandaid should have been ripped off weeks ago.

Now we have a situation where everyone is struggling to find motivation to play week in week out, some staff know they are gone, some players know they are gone, and we're just going through the motions. I've never seen so many supporters this emotionally checked out on the club. Even in our darkest times the supporters were still more upbeat. A lot of us are losing our enjoyment watching this game and that's genuinely sad because we all love this bloody club.

Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree about the case for some change. Is that Voss? I probably lean towards the premise of the 'who would replace him and why would they want to coach Carlton' view, but that belongs in another thread.
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My issue is with, well, the Blumours. We all love them, it takes the mind away for a bit, and I don't blame anyone reading and responding to it all. I just think it's poor form that so much trade talk, discussion of sackings and whatever is suddenly public with a big chunk of year still to go. It is just noise that I think unhelpful.

I mean, ok, we all agree the players looked a bit lost in the first quarter last night, and particularly the senior guys. What part of that is due to bad preparation, stress, their minds being elsewhere after a very big week of media attention.. And what part is coaching, system or whatever. The game plan held up for quarters 2-4 pretty well. Was that just the players taking a bit to settle, or the coaching being bad?

The thing is, we will never know the answer to that, because of the noise. We WILL have to make a decision on Voss (who is still, just, the most successful Carlton coach this millenium...) and I think it is going to be hard to tell...

A quote that sticks in my mind was Mick Malthouse saying that he felt the 'noise' and the knives coming out in whispers around him halfway through his first year at Carlton (after his first couple of bad games), and that was the biggest difference between us and Collingwood. Mind you, I dislike Malthouse with the fire of a thousand suns, so take that with a grain of salt...

 

[jaggabagga]

Agree with all of this and players taking less than what they could have got elsewhere is a good story but then we need to ask ourselves, is having these great players stay, actually the best thing for the club? Why can Collingwood who won the flag in 2023, go out the following two trade periods and have enough $$$$$ for Schulz, Perryman and Houston?

It would have been unpopular or a total unknown if they would have left if each one of them were offered $100K less per year with us.

I'll tell you why, it's because they are at least 1 million over the cap, probably more... and they aren't alone
I use to believe the spin coming out of clubs and the "we all took a pay cut" yeah bulls # they did.

 

[tarczonandjane]

In terms of pressure, contest, and accountability, I don’t see much point in Voss changing course now. If he’d done it earlier in his tenure, then that might have been different. But with one month to go, he might as well be the captain going down with his ship.

 

[manang magoos]

Pauline- “well obviously I’d like to challenge the prime minister “ as to why Tom gets a say when I don’t!!!

Tom and his BS reporting can GAFRO

 

[jpfalvo]

Cook had a choice on either extending or offering a contract to everyone currently in our Football Club. If Wright comes in a sacks everyone as a LOT of posters are suggesting, that is an insane plan by Cook. Basically wasted 4 years. We could have got Wright for a lot less after his last year at Hawthorn (what position did Hawthorn finish in his last year there again?)

The Cook narrative spurted out on here by some... Mr Stability.... is nauseating. The narrative at the time was, Cook the Football CEO replacing Cain the Commercial CEO.

He will impliment Geelong style Football ethos, structures and frameworks to set us up for long term.

Cook entered the club with us in turmoil. Now exiting with club with us in turmoil.

Back then, we had a young attractive list with cap space to move and manouerve. Now we have an old list, overpaid, lacking depth and talk of fractures everywhere.

Oh, and all the 3 yr contract extensions to a number of players. Signed off on that. And the Assistant Coach extensions and Voss extension. And the 3 post season reviews

Outside of Carlton Medical Centre and fattening his super. His time was a failure

 

[jpfalvo]

Just a random thought...if JSOS goes, it conveniently opens up the Number 1 guernsey for young Cody...

1CW gets his jumper presentation from 1AW ahead of R1...

Make young Cody "earn" the no1 guersney.

Not even on the list. Delivered nothing but newspaper print. Why don't we change the culture.

Cody, you want a number on the locker steeped in history. Work hard, train hard, apply the right habits and earn it.

 

[Jimmae]

Seems to have been their approach with Jack Martin, if they can get him through a finals series it could pay off.

Playing an unable to run Cripps or injured Weitering hasn’t worked for us at all.

After missing 12 weeks with a calf injury

He's 6 games playing in defence, doing 67% game time almost like clockwork.

He's in horrific shape, and they're at best letting him have a run at September, but I suspect others will fall apart from the extra workload.

 

[JustaBattler]

".............

For that matter, whoever thought it was a good idea to announce Wright was taking over in August, before the end of the season, has a lot of thinking to do about what they are trying to achieve. From what has come out in a few places today, it seems that's been the catalyst for a lot of people inside the club going into self-preservation mode and both players and administrators starting to pretty up the resume and look elsewhere.

Well, experience says that when any organisation goes into that mode you lose the pieces you want to keep (because they find a suitor elsewhere quickest) and get left trying to save face with the less attractive options. That's the pathway to a 'full rebuild (tm)'

I just wish for once we hadn't gone down this route. Why can't we be Sydney, who are arguably having a worse year so far - dropped from second to probably missing finals (current match notwithstanding). Why aren't they sacking the whole footy department and blowing it all up, or facing a mass walkout?......."

I used to have your POV pretty much and have given the team and the coach every inch of time available- I dont even care about loss/Win tbh - but the manner of some of the losses this year ....

I'd like to see Wright chop some heads off from the playing list - none of them have earned the right to feel all comfy and safe. A winning culture is based on - winning and all that goes in being able to get to that position. The stuff the players have handed out this year has been deplorable- allowing themselves to be pushed, shoved elbowed shouldered and laughed at - that is Voss's greatest failure in my book - the midfield has gone from being feared to being laughed at.

No mongrel no pride in themselves - losers - things have to change and maybe some of the babies have to be thrown out with their bathwater- because babies don't win games or flags.

 

[Guus_Hiddink]

TDKs Instagram story suggests he's jetted off to the Gold Coast.

Way to prove you definitely haven't checked out.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

TDKs Instagram story suggests he's jetted off to the Gold Coast.

Way to prove you definitely haven't checked out.

Drinking beer in Burleigh Heads... Has he been told to sit out the rest of the year or something?

 

[macky99]

Drinking beer in Burleigh Heads... Has he been told to sit out the rest of the year or something?

l would not read too much into it, we have the weekend off, why not spend the weekend away from Melbourne winter?

 

[Juddrockz]

Moir was at the airport aswell,maybe the boys have a few days off.

 

[Gointocarlton]

Moir was at the airport aswell,maybe the boys have a few days off.

Freshening them up before finals?

 

[Zlatan]

Drinking beer in Burleigh Heads... Has he been told to sit out the rest of the year or something?

This season has basically been his 4 weeks notice at work. Take a stroll on the pitch, play like crap, have a laugh with the teammates and oppo and then walk into your new $1.7mil per season job.

Honestly don’t even blame him as we’re more than happy to accomodate how crap he’s been this season.

 

[yibbida]

Where do you get this stuff?

Just made up stuff from the internet....

Have it on excellent authority that Wright met with Longmire earlier this week.

#Bluemour

#Bluemour

3 members of the wider coaching staff will be moved on at EOS. Scope for more change in that department if Voss also gets punted.

Lloyd gone as Head of Football as many know already. JBartel in pole position but not totally over the line just yet.

McGovern, Fantasia & Cincotta not expected to be apart of 2026 and beyond

#Bluemour

I received a PM. I was advised this was from strong Carlton sources. As per usual, take it as you like.

Big footy changes coming. Wright disgusted in way SC structured. Too few getting too much. Coaching structure a mess



#Bluemour

 

[Soapy V]

Just made up stuff from the internet....

So NOT sacking everyone as you posted?

 

[Soapy V]

Don’t take any notice of the newly registered 2 days ago ‘newbie’ MS3.

Doubt they are even a Carlton supporter.

Seems to be a lot of new names lately and going hard and personal at people. Getting ugly

 

[ferrisb]

From the species Columbia
Names that mean dove

• Jonah.
• Callum.
• Jonas.
• Calum.
• Paloma.
• Jemima.
• Colm.
• Chenoa.

️

I haven't had my morning cuppa yet, but I have officially morphed from an IDK to a NFI...

 

[ferrisb]

Carlton’s BigFooty board and Carlton’s real life board is very similar. Disjointed.

We are also have vested interests and can get snarky. If only we were also backed by billionaires!