Autopsy Overrun by GWS

[Wheresbuddy]

Is that true about Roberts? That's a horrific stat.

That's pretty much been his season. I think because he is not overly fast in speed or in action, he needs that split second extra to execute. Last year he had it due to the dominance of our midfield. Since our late season form dip of 2024 and issues of 2025, he has at best been less effective, at worst a liability with his turnovers.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That's pretty much been his season. I think because he is not overly fast in speed or in action, he needs that split second extra to execute. Last year he had it due to the dominance of our midfield. Since our late season form dip of 2024 and issues of 2025, he has at best been less effective, at worst a liability with his turnovers.

Try him in the middle, I know people will say the game was over but he was fantastic in the middle in the second half of the GF. Yet with all the injuries haven't bothered to do this again this year? I feel his issues are highlighted 10 times more off HB and he panicks

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Try him in the middle, I know people will say the game was over but he was fantastic in the middle in the second half of the GF. Yet with all the injuries haven't bothered to do this again this year? I feel his issues are highlighted 10 times more off HB and he panicks

Well he was drafted as an on baller. Give him a run at it in reserves and see what he's got.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Well he was drafted as an on baller. Give him a run at it in reserves and see what he's got.

Yep agree, give him the rest of the year in the VFL as a mid, Cleary in the top side as a mid.

 

[legend166]

Figured I was up for some masochism so am rewatching the 3rd quarter now just to see what happened.

After McInerney's goal in the third quarter (our last of the game), it's 56-29.

Then we get:

- Roberts kicks to an outnumbered Chad in our forward line which is easily nullified by the Giants defenders and handballed out of their F50 under zero pressure. Giants player stuffs up the kick through the centre of the ground and there's a chance for a turnover but Rampe fumbles the ball twice (!). Gulden gets the groundball but is tackled for holding the ball. Giants hit a leading Cadman. Goal number one. 56-35.

- Some scrappy play at our forward 50 arc but eventually comes out to Roberts back in the centre square, who could have handballed to Mills or kicked sideways out to Melican on the wing. Instead kicks a shocking dump kick 20m to the top of the 50m arc where there are four Giants players and one Swan. Greene marks it, Giants transition through the wing, leading to a forward 50 stoppage for the Giants. Roberts eventually gets the ball from the clearance, and promptly kicks it out on the full. No goal from this passage of play but wanted to highlight it because seriously Roberts.

- Score is 56-36 at this point, with 13 minutes left. Rampe gets the ball on the wing, kicks to the top of the 50m arc where it's cut off by the Giants, who rebound with handballs to the centre. Callaghan kicks to the advantage of Stringer in a one on one against Mills and marks and goals. Not much Mills could do here. Goal number two. 56-42.

- We get a messy centre clearance to the 50m arc which is killed in the air by the Giants who transition quickly on the wing. Cadman takes a contested mark, kicks to Hogan in the pocket and Hamling gives away the free (he did pull down the arm). Hogan misses but we stuff up defending on the goal line and Greene gets the tap down and goals. 56-48.

Need to stop here because at this point the Giants have scored 3 in a row and 5 of the last 6. What's becoming clear now is they are running in waves when we turn the ball over at the 50m arc. Everyone one of those passages of four passages of play I've mentioned came from a turn over from a shallow F50 entry. At this point we should have gone into slow down mode and tried to play through the pockets and force F50 stoppages. Instead....

- Out of the very next centre clearance, Gulden tries to pinpoint a pass to the true CHF position, at a leading Angus Sheldrick. Giants easily spoil back into the centre of the ground and there's a couple of repeat stoppages. We win the clearance, Rowbottom does a left foot dump kick to the top of the 50, Papley is out of position. Giants try to transition up the wing and we actually cause a turnover and get it back. Hooray. Then our old friend Matt Roberts gets the ball, and what does he do? I'll give you one guess. If you said "panic kick to Papley in a 2:1 outnumber" you'd be correct. Bonus point for adding where Papley was on the ground - the top of the 50m arc! Sheldrick misses a tackle, and the Giants do their handballing wave through the centre of the ground. Now they stuff up the I50 and Mills gets a mark, but shows we're not trying to change our play at all despite the huge momentum. Don't kick the ball to the top of the 50m arc!

- Mills kicks to a contest on the wing which we didn't compete against very well and Giants get a contested mark. Ball comes straight back in, Bedford gets a technically correct but pretty soft high free and goals. 56-54.

Giants have now kicked 4 in a row, and 6 of the last 7. Note at this point, centre clearances for the quarter at 7-0, and total clearances are 10-3, both to our advantage. We're winning first use.

- Couple of minutes later. Campbell has the ball outside the 50 on the left hand side after a good intercept turnover. The good news? He doesn't kick to the top of the 50m arc. The bad news? The Giants have six players in our forward 50, against our two. Campbell actually does have the option of kicking a short one to Buller in the pocket who could have killed it out of bounds and got us a F50 stoppage. Instead, he kicks to Hayward at the top of the goal square who is easily outmarked by Sam Taylor

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Sam Taylor

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

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Def

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Last 5

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10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

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5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

. Taylor immediately handballs and the Giants are off. We completely fail to defend a switch, and the Giants get another I50. We defend it well, and Blakey gets the ball. Kicks to 2:1. Buller gives away a free. Giants get a scrappy I50, where we actually win the ball back again after a stoppage. And then Rampe kicks it out on the full. Bedford kicks the goal. 56-60, 5:13 minutes left.

- Giants win the clearance from a repeat stoppage after the bounce. Green gets a flukey pass to Himmelberg who launches it from outside 50. Can't say we did anything wrong here - but it's the exact kind of goal the opposition seems to get when they've got all the momentum and will miss any other time (see Hipwood in the GF last year). 56-66.

- Giants get the next centre clearance, Hogan takes a mark on the 50. We don't defend the run past and he is able to handball and Ash bombs it through. 56-72.

- Giants win another centre clearance. Scrappy inside 50, where Stringer pulls out a ridiculous snap. 56-78, 3:19 on the clock.

Giants have now kicked 4 goals in less than 2 minutes of game time. They've kicked 3 goals in a row either directly from centre bounces, or from a repeat stoppage at the centre bounce. This is the problem of momentum. It's clear at this point we are completely shot. Giants players getting all kinds of space. That 4 goal run is where we lose, but that 4 goal run doesn't happen if we actually try and go into a shutdown mode when they've kicked the initial 3 that started the whole thing.

The quarter ends with Chad's terrible F50 entry and Heeney fumbling around unable to pick up the ball and snap. Melican gives away the dumb free kick within a minute of the fourth quarter, we're down 30 points and it's all over.

Final thoughts:

- Just some really dumb play in the first half of that quarter. We absolutely opened the door to get them back in that game. The burst of goals from centre bounces was bad, but it doesn't happen unless we let them in through terrible, shallow entries into the F50 that easily get turned over and we get smashed on the handball transition. It's like, number one thing when playing the Giants, don't let them rebound from CHB with handballs. We played right into it.

- We have no ability to handball out of the D50. Means when under pressure our kicks are rushed and easily intercepted.

- Roberts' disposal under any sort of pressure, real or perceived, is brutal. Him getting the ball as often as he does is actually detrimental to how we play.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Figured I was up for some masochism so am rewatching the 3rd quarter now just to see what happened.

After McInerney's goal in the third quarter (our last of the game), it's 56-29.

Then we get:

- Roberts kicks to an outnumbered Chad in our forward line which is easily nullified by the Giants defenders and handballed out of their F50 under zero pressure. Giants player stuffs up the kick through the centre of the ground and there's a chance for a turnover but Rampe fumbles the ball twice (!). Gulden gets the groundball but is tackled for holding the ball. Giants hit a leading Cadman. Goal number one. 56-35.

- Some scrappy play at our forward 50 arc but eventually comes out to Roberts back in the centre square, who could have handballed to Mills or kicked sideways out to Melican on the wing. Instead kicks a shocking dump kick 20m to the top of the 50m arc where there are four Giants players and one Swan. Greene marks it, Giants transition through the wing, leading to a forward 50 stoppage for the Giants. Roberts eventually gets the ball from the clearance, and promptly kicks it out on the full. No goal from this passage of play but wanted to highlight it because seriously Roberts.

- Score is 56-36 at this point, with 13 minutes left. Rampe gets the ball on the wing, kicks to the top of the 50m arc where it's cut off by the Giants, who rebound with handballs to the centre. Callaghan kicks to the advantage of Stringer in a one on one against Mills and marks and goals. Not much Mills could do here. Goal number two. 56-42.

- We get a messy centre clearance to the 50m arc which is killed in the air by the Giants who transition quickly on the wing. Cadman takes a contested mark, kicks to Hogan in the pocket and Hamling gives away the free (he did pull down the arm). Hogan misses but we stuff up defending on the goal line and Greene gets the tap down and goals. 56-48.

Need to stop here because at this point the Giants have scored 3 in a row and 5 of the last 6. What's becoming clear now is they are running in waves when we turn the ball over at the 50m arc. Everyone one of those passages of four passages of play I've mentioned came from a turn over from a shallow F50 entry. At this point we should have gone into slow down mode and tried to play through the pockets and force F50 stoppages. Instead....

- Out of the very next centre clearance, Gulden tries to pinpoint a pass to the true CHF position, at a leading Angus Sheldrick. Giants easily spoil back into the centre of the ground and there's a couple of repeat stoppages. We win the clearance, Rowbottom does a left foot dump kick to the top of the 50, Papley is out of position. Giants try to transition up the wing and we actually cause a turnover and get it back. Hooray. Then our old friend Matt Roberts gets the ball, and what does he do? I'll give you one guess. If you said "panic kick to Papley in a 2:1 outnumber" you'd be correct. Bonus point for adding where Papley was on the ground - the top of the 50m arc! Sheldrick misses a tackle, and the Giants do their handballing wave through the centre of the ground. Now they stuff up the I50 and Mills gets a mark, but shows we're not trying to change our play at all despite the huge momentum. Don't kick the ball to the top of the 50m arc!

- Mills kicks to a contest on the wing which we didn't compete against very well and Giants get a contested mark. Ball comes straight back in, Bedford gets a technically correct but pretty soft high free and goals. 56-54.

Giants have now kicked 4 in a row, and 6 of the last 7. Note at this point, centre clearances for the quarter at 7-0, and total clearances are 10-3, both to our advantage. We're winning first use.

- Couple of minutes later. Campbell has the ball outside the 50 on the left hand side after a good intercept turnover. The good news? He doesn't kick to the top of the 50m arc. The bad news? The Giants have six players in our forward 50, against our two. Campbell actually does have the option of kicking a short one to Buller in the pocket who could have killed it out of bounds and got us a F50 stoppage. Instead, he kicks to Hayward at the top of the goal square who is easily outmarked by Sam Taylor. Taylor immediately handballs and the Giants are off. We completely fail to defend a switch, and the Giants get another I50. We defend it well, and Blakey gets the ball. Kicks to 2:1. Buller gives away a free. Giants get a scrappy I50, where we actually win the ball back again after a stoppage. And then Rampe kicks it out on the full. Bedford kicks the goal. 56-60, 5:13 minutes left.

- Giants win the clearance from a repeat stoppage after the bounce. Green gets a flukey pass to Himmelberg who launches it from outside 50. Can't say we did anything wrong here - but it's the exact kind of goal the opposition seems to get when they've got all the momentum and will miss any other time (see Hipwood in the GF last year). 56-66.

- Giants get the next centre clearance, Hogan takes a mark on the 50. We don't defend the run past and he is able to handball and Ash bombs it through. 56-72.

- Giants win another centre clearance. Scrappy inside 50, where Stringer pulls out a ridiculous snap. 56-78, 3:19 on the clock.

Giants have now kicked 4 goals in less than 2 minutes of game time. They've kicked 3 goals in a row either directly from centre bounces, or from a repeat stoppage at the centre bounce. This is the problem of momentum. It's clear at this point we are completely shot. Giants players getting all kinds of space. That 4 goal run is where we lose, but that 4 goal run doesn't happen if we actually try and go into a shutdown mode when they've kicked the initial 3 that started the whole thing.

The quarter ends with Chad's terrible F50 entry and Heeney fumbling around unable to pick up the ball and snap. Melican gives away the dumb free kick within a minute of the fourth quarter, we're down 30 points and it's all over.

Final thoughts:

- Just some really dumb play in the first half of that quarter. We absolutely opened the door to get them back in that game. The burst of goals from centre bounces was bad, but it doesn't happen unless we let them in through terrible, shallow entries into the F50 that easily get turned over and we get smashed on the handball transition. It's like, number one thing when playing the Giants, don't let them rebound from CHB with handballs. We played right into it.

- We have no ability to handball out of the D50. Means when under pressure our kicks are rushed and easily intercepted.

- Roberts' disposal under any sort of pressure, real or perceived, is brutal. Him getting the ball as often as he does is actually detrimental to how we play.

You should forward this to Dean Cox. Think he needs all the help he can get.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You should forward this to Dean Cox. Think he needs all the help he can get.

Yet he’ll still pick Roberts next week lol

 

[bedford]

Yet he’ll still pick Roberts next week lol

And Campbell

 

[anotherletdown]

Papley, Blakey, Warner and McInerney.

Over them.

Blakey can stay... as long as he doesn't play in a key position

 

[anotherletdown]

Agree with a lot of this. In my opinion, defence is our number 1 problem area.

Rampe is 36 early next season, Hamling and Fox will be 33, Lloyd 32 next month, Cunningham 32 in December and Melican 29 in November. Like you say, McCartin is one more concussion from career over.

We desperately need to find some key defensive stock.

We'll need a whole defensive unit over the next 3 years.... shocking drafting to be left in this position

 

[LukeParkerno1]

And Campbell

Never know he might make a tackle

 

[giantsully]

Figured I was up for some masochism so am rewatching the 3rd quarter now just to see what happened.

After McInerney's goal in the third quarter (our last of the game), it's 56-29.

Then we get:

- Roberts kicks to an outnumbered Chad in our forward line which is easily nullified by the Giants defenders and handballed out of their F50 under zero pressure. Giants player stuffs up the kick through the centre of the ground and there's a chance for a turnover but Rampe fumbles the ball twice (!). Gulden gets the groundball but is tackled for holding the ball. Giants hit a leading Cadman. Goal number one. 56-35.

- Some scrappy play at our forward 50 arc but eventually comes out to Roberts back in the centre square, who could have handballed to Mills or kicked sideways out to Melican on the wing. Instead kicks a shocking dump kick 20m to the top of the 50m arc where there are four Giants players and one Swan. Greene marks it, Giants transition through the wing, leading to a forward 50 stoppage for the Giants. Roberts eventually gets the ball from the clearance, and promptly kicks it out on the full. No goal from this passage of play but wanted to highlight it because seriously Roberts.

- Score is 56-36 at this point, with 13 minutes left. Rampe gets the ball on the wing, kicks to the top of the 50m arc where it's cut off by the Giants, who rebound with handballs to the centre. Callaghan kicks to the advantage of Stringer in a one on one against Mills and marks and goals. Not much Mills could do here. Goal number two. 56-42.

- We get a messy centre clearance to the 50m arc which is killed in the air by the Giants who transition quickly on the wing. Cadman takes a contested mark, kicks to Hogan in the pocket and Hamling gives away the free (he did pull down the arm). Hogan misses but we stuff up defending on the goal line and Greene gets the tap down and goals. 56-48.

Need to stop here because at this point the Giants have scored 3 in a row and 5 of the last 6. What's becoming clear now is they are running in waves when we turn the ball over at the 50m arc. Everyone one of those passages of four passages of play I've mentioned came from a turn over from a shallow F50 entry. At this point we should have gone into slow down mode and tried to play through the pockets and force F50 stoppages. Instead....

- Out of the very next centre clearance, Gulden tries to pinpoint a pass to the true CHF position, at a leading Angus Sheldrick. Giants easily spoil back into the centre of the ground and there's a couple of repeat stoppages. We win the clearance, Rowbottom does a left foot dump kick to the top of the 50, Papley is out of position. Giants try to transition up the wing and we actually cause a turnover and get it back. Hooray. Then our old friend Matt Roberts gets the ball, and what does he do? I'll give you one guess. If you said "panic kick to Papley in a 2:1 outnumber" you'd be correct. Bonus point for adding where Papley was on the ground - the top of the 50m arc! Sheldrick misses a tackle, and the Giants do their handballing wave through the centre of the ground. Now they stuff up the I50 and Mills gets a mark, but shows we're not trying to change our play at all despite the huge momentum. Don't kick the ball to the top of the 50m arc!

- Mills kicks to a contest on the wing which we didn't compete against very well and Giants get a contested mark. Ball comes straight back in, Bedford gets a technically correct but pretty soft high free and goals. 56-54.

Giants have now kicked 4 in a row, and 6 of the last 7. Note at this point, centre clearances for the quarter at 7-0, and total clearances are 10-3, both to our advantage. We're winning first use.

- Couple of minutes later. Campbell has the ball outside the 50 on the left hand side after a good intercept turnover. The good news? He doesn't kick to the top of the 50m arc. The bad news? The Giants have six players in our forward 50, against our two. Campbell actually does have the option of kicking a short one to Buller in the pocket who could have killed it out of bounds and got us a F50 stoppage. Instead, he kicks to Hayward at the top of the goal square who is easily outmarked by Sam Taylor. Taylor immediately handballs and the Giants are off. We completely fail to defend a switch, and the Giants get another I50. We defend it well, and Blakey gets the ball. Kicks to 2:1. Buller gives away a free. Giants get a scrappy I50, where we actually win the ball back again after a stoppage. And then Rampe kicks it out on the full. Bedford kicks the goal. 56-60, 5:13 minutes left.

- Giants win the clearance from a repeat stoppage after the bounce. Green gets a flukey pass to Himmelberg who launches it from outside 50. Can't say we did anything wrong here - but it's the exact kind of goal the opposition seems to get when they've got all the momentum and will miss any other time (see Hipwood in the GF last year). 56-66.

- Giants get the next centre clearance, Hogan takes a mark on the 50. We don't defend the run past and he is able to handball and Ash bombs it through. 56-72.

- Giants win another centre clearance. Scrappy inside 50, where Stringer pulls out a ridiculous snap. 56-78, 3:19 on the clock.

Giants have now kicked 4 goals in less than 2 minutes of game time. They've kicked 3 goals in a row either directly from centre bounces, or from a repeat stoppage at the centre bounce. This is the problem of momentum. It's clear at this point we are completely shot. Giants players getting all kinds of space. That 4 goal run is where we lose, but that 4 goal run doesn't happen if we actually try and go into a shutdown mode when they've kicked the initial 3 that started the whole thing.

The quarter ends with Chad's terrible F50 entry and Heeney fumbling around unable to pick up the ball and snap. Melican gives away the dumb free kick within a minute of the fourth quarter, we're down 30 points and it's all over.

Final thoughts:

- Just some really dumb play in the first half of that quarter. We absolutely opened the door to get them back in that game. The burst of goals from centre bounces was bad, but it doesn't happen unless we let them in through terrible, shallow entries into the F50 that easily get turned over and we get smashed on the handball transition. It's like, number one thing when playing the Giants, don't let them rebound from CHB with handballs. We played right into it.

- We have no ability to handball out of the D50. Means when under pressure our kicks are rushed and easily intercepted.

- Roberts' disposal under any sort of pressure, real or perceived, is brutal. Him getting the ball as often as he does is actually detrimental to how we play.

You're a more committed supporter than I am to subject yourself to that again, but it's a very fair and realistic summary of the debacle that was Q3. That said, there is an argument that missing our three first choice forward talls made us very vulnerable to these types of F50 turnovers. OTOH, as you've noted, that doesn't forgive the ease of transition, the terrible decision-making, and the poor execution under pressure - and especially the seeming determination to make Roberts our link man through the centre! Great analysis, tahnks.

 

[legend166]

And Campbell

I think Campbell had been reasonable so far this year but yeah, the game on the weekend was a shocker. I can see him being overtaken by Dattoli because I don't think he's made the small forward spot his own. But to be fair probably hard to be a small forward when we've been rolling out the worst tall forward line in the comp for the whole year.

 

[Bloods86]

And Campbell

Well you wouldn't drop someone off 1 poor game. Roberts on the other hand, it's been most of the season.

 

[Bloods86]

Never know he might make a tackle

I have to question whether you watch our games or just tuned in recently with comments like that.

 

[bedford]

I think Campbell had been reasonable so far this year but yeah, the game on the weekend was a shocker. I can see him being overtaken by Dattoli because I don't think he's made the small forward spot his own. But to be fair probably hard to be a small forward when we've been rolling out the worst tall forward line in the comp for the whole year.

This is the week to try it

 

[Adnico26Parker]

COACHES VOTES

10 Finn Callaghan (GWS)
8 Harry Himmelberg (GWS)
5 Jake Stringer

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Jake Stringer

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31

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192cm

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92kg

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D

12.9

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

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1.8

5star

D

8.5

2star

K

7.0

3star

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1.5

1star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

4star

G

2.5

5star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

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3 Aaron Cadman (GWS)
3 Brodie Grundy

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Brodie Grundy

Age

31

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

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D

17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

HO

34.6

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

8.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

20.6

5star

(SYD)
1 Ryan Angwin (GWS)

 

[Nuggetz]

Figured I was up for some masochism so am rewatching the 3rd quarter now just to see what happened.

After McInerney's goal in the third quarter (our last of the game), it's 56-29.

Then we get:

- Roberts kicks to an outnumbered Chad in our forward line which is easily nullified by the Giants defenders and handballed out of their F50 under zero pressure. Giants player stuffs up the kick through the centre of the ground and there's a chance for a turnover but Rampe fumbles the ball twice (!). Gulden gets the groundball but is tackled for holding the ball. Giants hit a leading Cadman. Goal number one. 56-35.

- Some scrappy play at our forward 50 arc but eventually comes out to Roberts back in the centre square, who could have handballed to Mills or kicked sideways out to Melican on the wing. Instead kicks a shocking dump kick 20m to the top of the 50m arc where there are four Giants players and one Swan. Greene marks it, Giants transition through the wing, leading to a forward 50 stoppage for the Giants. Roberts eventually gets the ball from the clearance, and promptly kicks it out on the full. No goal from this passage of play but wanted to highlight it because seriously Roberts.

- Score is 56-36 at this point, with 13 minutes left. Rampe gets the ball on the wing, kicks to the top of the 50m arc where it's cut off by the Giants, who rebound with handballs to the centre. Callaghan kicks to the advantage of Stringer in a one on one against Mills and marks and goals. Not much Mills could do here. Goal number two. 56-42.

- We get a messy centre clearance to the 50m arc which is killed in the air by the Giants who transition quickly on the wing. Cadman takes a contested mark, kicks to Hogan in the pocket and Hamling gives away the free (he did pull down the arm). Hogan misses but we stuff up defending on the goal line and Greene gets the tap down and goals. 56-48.

Need to stop here because at this point the Giants have scored 3 in a row and 5 of the last 6. What's becoming clear now is they are running in waves when we turn the ball over at the 50m arc. Everyone one of those passages of four passages of play I've mentioned came from a turn over from a shallow F50 entry. At this point we should have gone into slow down mode and tried to play through the pockets and force F50 stoppages. Instead....

- Out of the very next centre clearance, Gulden tries to pinpoint a pass to the true CHF position, at a leading Angus Sheldrick. Giants easily spoil back into the centre of the ground and there's a couple of repeat stoppages. We win the clearance, Rowbottom does a left foot dump kick to the top of the 50, Papley is out of position. Giants try to transition up the wing and we actually cause a turnover and get it back. Hooray. Then our old friend Matt Roberts gets the ball, and what does he do? I'll give you one guess. If you said "panic kick to Papley in a 2:1 outnumber" you'd be correct. Bonus point for adding where Papley was on the ground - the top of the 50m arc! Sheldrick misses a tackle, and the Giants do their handballing wave through the centre of the ground. Now they stuff up the I50 and Mills gets a mark, but shows we're not trying to change our play at all despite the huge momentum. Don't kick the ball to the top of the 50m arc!

- Mills kicks to a contest on the wing which we didn't compete against very well and Giants get a contested mark. Ball comes straight back in, Bedford gets a technically correct but pretty soft high free and goals. 56-54.

Giants have now kicked 4 in a row, and 6 of the last 7. Note at this point, centre clearances for the quarter at 7-0, and total clearances are 10-3, both to our advantage. We're winning first use.

- Couple of minutes later. Campbell has the ball outside the 50 on the left hand side after a good intercept turnover. The good news? He doesn't kick to the top of the 50m arc. The bad news? The Giants have six players in our forward 50, against our two. Campbell actually does have the option of kicking a short one to Buller in the pocket who could have killed it out of bounds and got us a F50 stoppage. Instead, he kicks to Hayward at the top of the goal square who is easily outmarked by Sam Taylor. Taylor immediately handballs and the Giants are off. We completely fail to defend a switch, and the Giants get another I50. We defend it well, and Blakey gets the ball. Kicks to 2:1. Buller gives away a free. Giants get a scrappy I50, where we actually win the ball back again after a stoppage. And then Rampe kicks it out on the full. Bedford kicks the goal. 56-60, 5:13 minutes left.

- Giants win the clearance from a repeat stoppage after the bounce. Green gets a flukey pass to Himmelberg who launches it from outside 50. Can't say we did anything wrong here - but it's the exact kind of goal the opposition seems to get when they've got all the momentum and will miss any other time (see Hipwood in the GF last year). 56-66.

- Giants get the next centre clearance, Hogan takes a mark on the 50. We don't defend the run past and he is able to handball and Ash bombs it through. 56-72.

- Giants win another centre clearance. Scrappy inside 50, where Stringer pulls out a ridiculous snap. 56-78, 3:19 on the clock.

Giants have now kicked 4 goals in less than 2 minutes of game time. They've kicked 3 goals in a row either directly from centre bounces, or from a repeat stoppage at the centre bounce. This is the problem of momentum. It's clear at this point we are completely shot. Giants players getting all kinds of space. That 4 goal run is where we lose, but that 4 goal run doesn't happen if we actually try and go into a shutdown mode when they've kicked the initial 3 that started the whole thing.

The quarter ends with Chad's terrible F50 entry and Heeney fumbling around unable to pick up the ball and snap. Melican gives away the dumb free kick within a minute of the fourth quarter, we're down 30 points and it's all over.

Final thoughts:

- Just some really dumb play in the first half of that quarter. We absolutely opened the door to get them back in that game. The burst of goals from centre bounces was bad, but it doesn't happen unless we let them in through terrible, shallow entries into the F50 that easily get turned over and we get smashed on the handball transition. It's like, number one thing when playing the Giants, don't let them rebound from CHB with handballs. We played right into it.

- We have no ability to handball out of the D50. Means when under pressure our kicks are rushed and easily intercepted.

- Roberts' disposal under any sort of pressure, real or perceived, is brutal. Him getting the ball as often as he does is actually detrimental to how we play.

The shallow entries was my big issue when watching the game. It was soo noticeable & I'm dumbfounded we didn't adjust.

Our fwd 50 structure was non existent, as highlighted by our deep entry also resulting in an outnumber to gws. Where were our players?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I have to question whether you watch our games or just tuned in recently with comments like that.

He’s been poor for a few weeks come on be fair, and we’ve had Dattoli available

It’s almost a good thing we are out of contention for good our coach might give Dattoli a go

 

[wolftone57]

They showed some footage yesterday of Cox as he walked off the ground. He was ropable. Fuming. I am glad he was because so we're the rest of us. This sort of performance is not good enough. If you check out, go to another club and do it. North or West Coast. Don't think you can besmirch the Bloods name and image. That was a Grand Final Performance. Something we are still trying to live down in every workplace in the country.

Those performances were not worthy of the Swans jumper. If you pull that jumper on you had better be ready to die for that jumper. If not. Then eff off. Maybe Jude Bolton

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,Micky O, Ben Matthews, LRT, Reg, Teddy, JC & Co need o give them a Gee up. A rev more like. You can be a hard, no holds barred footballer who gets White Line Fever and still be a great human off field. Unless you are Toby and then you are just a thug.

We really had little or no chance last week to make the finals. But now we definitely have none. Time to play the kids. Have a little fun. If the experienced players are as soft as a Milkmaid then maybe some of the reserves have more guts. Why is it always our so called stars that don't have the guts to stand the heat in the kitchen. Our so called stars were totally missing in the last half of this game. Not one stood up.

 

[The King!]

Figured I was up for some masochism so am rewatching the 3rd quarter now just to see what happened.

After McInerney's goal in the third quarter (our last of the game), it's 56-29.

Then we get:

- Roberts kicks to an outnumbered Chad in our forward line which is easily nullified by the Giants defenders and handballed out of their F50 under zero pressure. Giants player stuffs up the kick through the centre of the ground and there's a chance for a turnover but Rampe fumbles the ball twice (!). Gulden gets the groundball but is tackled for holding the ball. Giants hit a leading Cadman. Goal number one. 56-35.

- Some scrappy play at our forward 50 arc but eventually comes out to Roberts back in the centre square, who could have handballed to Mills or kicked sideways out to Melican on the wing. Instead kicks a shocking dump kick 20m to the top of the 50m arc where there are four Giants players and one Swan. Greene marks it, Giants transition through the wing, leading to a forward 50 stoppage for the Giants. Roberts eventually gets the ball from the clearance, and promptly kicks it out on the full. No goal from this passage of play but wanted to highlight it because seriously Roberts.

- Score is 56-36 at this point, with 13 minutes left. Rampe gets the ball on the wing, kicks to the top of the 50m arc where it's cut off by the Giants, who rebound with handballs to the centre. Callaghan kicks to the advantage of Stringer in a one on one against Mills and marks and goals. Not much Mills could do here. Goal number two. 56-42.

- We get a messy centre clearance to the 50m arc which is killed in the air by the Giants who transition quickly on the wing. Cadman takes a contested mark, kicks to Hogan in the pocket and Hamling gives away the free (he did pull down the arm). Hogan misses but we stuff up defending on the goal line and Greene gets the tap down and goals. 56-48.

Need to stop here because at this point the Giants have scored 3 in a row and 5 of the last 6. What's becoming clear now is they are running in waves when we turn the ball over at the 50m arc. Everyone one of those passages of four passages of play I've mentioned came from a turn over from a shallow F50 entry. At this point we should have gone into slow down mode and tried to play through the pockets and force F50 stoppages. Instead....

- Out of the very next centre clearance, Gulden tries to pinpoint a pass to the true CHF position, at a leading Angus Sheldrick. Giants easily spoil back into the centre of the ground and there's a couple of repeat stoppages. We win the clearance, Rowbottom does a left foot dump kick to the top of the 50, Papley is out of position. Giants try to transition up the wing and we actually cause a turnover and get it back. Hooray. Then our old friend Matt Roberts gets the ball, and what does he do? I'll give you one guess. If you said "panic kick to Papley in a 2:1 outnumber" you'd be correct. Bonus point for adding where Papley was on the ground - the top of the 50m arc! Sheldrick misses a tackle, and the Giants do their handballing wave through the centre of the ground. Now they stuff up the I50 and Mills gets a mark, but shows we're not trying to change our play at all despite the huge momentum. Don't kick the ball to the top of the 50m arc!

- Mills kicks to a contest on the wing which we didn't compete against very well and Giants get a contested mark. Ball comes straight back in, Bedford gets a technically correct but pretty soft high free and goals. 56-54.

Giants have now kicked 4 in a row, and 6 of the last 7. Note at this point, centre clearances for the quarter at 7-0, and total clearances are 10-3, both to our advantage. We're winning first use.

- Couple of minutes later. Campbell has the ball outside the 50 on the left hand side after a good intercept turnover. The good news? He doesn't kick to the top of the 50m arc. The bad news? The Giants have six players in our forward 50, against our two. Campbell actually does have the option of kicking a short one to Buller in the pocket who could have killed it out of bounds and got us a F50 stoppage. Instead, he kicks to Hayward at the top of the goal square who is easily outmarked by Sam Taylor. Taylor immediately handballs and the Giants are off. We completely fail to defend a switch, and the Giants get another I50. We defend it well, and Blakey gets the ball. Kicks to 2:1. Buller gives away a free. Giants get a scrappy I50, where we actually win the ball back again after a stoppage. And then Rampe kicks it out on the full. Bedford kicks the goal. 56-60, 5:13 minutes left.

- Giants win the clearance from a repeat stoppage after the bounce. Green gets a flukey pass to Himmelberg who launches it from outside 50. Can't say we did anything wrong here - but it's the exact kind of goal the opposition seems to get when they've got all the momentum and will miss any other time (see Hipwood in the GF last year). 56-66.

- Giants get the next centre clearance, Hogan takes a mark on the 50. We don't defend the run past and he is able to handball and Ash bombs it through. 56-72.

- Giants win another centre clearance. Scrappy inside 50, where Stringer pulls out a ridiculous snap. 56-78, 3:19 on the clock.

Giants have now kicked 4 goals in less than 2 minutes of game time. They've kicked 3 goals in a row either directly from centre bounces, or from a repeat stoppage at the centre bounce. This is the problem of momentum. It's clear at this point we are completely shot. Giants players getting all kinds of space. That 4 goal run is where we lose, but that 4 goal run doesn't happen if we actually try and go into a shutdown mode when they've kicked the initial 3 that started the whole thing.

The quarter ends with Chad's terrible F50 entry and Heeney fumbling around unable to pick up the ball and snap. Melican gives away the dumb free kick within a minute of the fourth quarter, we're down 30 points and it's all over.

Final thoughts:

- Just some really dumb play in the first half of that quarter. We absolutely opened the door to get them back in that game. The burst of goals from centre bounces was bad, but it doesn't happen unless we let them in through terrible, shallow entries into the F50 that easily get turned over and we get smashed on the handball transition. It's like, number one thing when playing the Giants, don't let them rebound from CHB with handballs. We played right into it.

- We have no ability to handball out of the D50. Means when under pressure our kicks are rushed and easily intercepted.

- Roberts' disposal under any sort of pressure, real or perceived, is brutal. Him getting the ball as often as he does is actually detrimental to how we play.

Mick Mcguanne though says Roberts is good

 

[The King!]

I think Campbell had been reasonable so far this year but yeah, the game on the weekend was a shocker. I can see him being overtaken by Dattoli because I don't think he's made the small forward spot his own. But to be fair probably hard to be a small forward when we've been rolling out the worst tall forward line in the comp for the whole year.

If Campbell gets as much slack as Roberts he won't be dropped until round 20 2029

 

[LukeParkerno1]

They showed some footage yesterday of Cox as he walked off the ground. He was ropable. Fuming. I am glad he was because so we're the rest of us. This sort of performance is not good enough. If you check out, go to another club and do it. North or West Coast. Don't think you can besmirch the Bloods name and image. That was a Grand Final Performance. Something we are still trying to live down in every workplace in the country.

Those performances were not worthy of the Swans jumper. If you pull that jumper on you had better be ready to die for that jumper. If not. Then eff off. Maybe Jude Bolton,Micky O, Ben Matthews, LRT, Reg, Teddy, JC & Co need o give them a Gee up. A rev more like. You can be a hard, no holds barred footballer who gets White Line Fever and still be a great human off field. Unless you are Toby and then you are just a thug.

We really had little or no chance last week to make the finals. But now we definitely have none. Time to play the kids. Have a little fun. If the experienced players are as soft as a Milkmaid then maybe some of the reserves have more guts. Why is it always our so called stars that don't have the guts to stand the heat in the kitchen. Our so called stars were totally missing in the last half of this game. Not one stood up.

Hey do I see those words I’ve been saying for 3 weeks..play the kids. Well welcome around mate. We were cooked a month ago but glad you’ve come around! So NOW can we play Dattoli and not have Francis out there which is what should have happened two weeks ago when Papley went down.

I didn’t mind the performance in parts, it’s easy to appreciate some positives when the caring on results is nil. Sheldrick is improving that’s a positive

 

[Kiama Chris]

But that's not consistent with our form over the past 6 weeks is it? Our season was dead and buried. We could have put the cue in the rack for the year but we didn't. We fought back and played some great footy.

The way that PTSD works is not a constant. It usually requires a trigger of some sort to evoke memories and feelings from the traumatic event. The rush that GWS achieved was a lot like the run that Brisbane achieved. Earlier games weren't like that.

 

[caesar88]

If Campbell gets as much slack as Roberts he won't be dropped until round 20 2029

To be fair Roberts was dropped to sub about a month back. He was just brought back prematurely.

IMO Cox isn't overly convinced on a lot of the players in the VFL, and maybe that is fair given their performances, but we are also carrying passengers nearly every week and it tends to usually be the same 2-3 guys, all flankers.

If we're gonna have passengers - at this stage, finals out of the picture and only a month left to play - then I'd rather them be some of the kids.