Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Voss might be the worst 'leader of men' to coach in the AFL. Both gigs catastrophic collapse and players wanting out everywhere.

 

[Rustica]

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Reliably informed by the fact that they decided to go with Macrae in the end

Fly is a gun coach. Gw literally chose him and others over Voss. And you're laughing at fly? Stop attempting to shit can the rumours. The takes are weird.

 

[bigLrip]

Not having a go at anyone in particular, but I certainly don't believe in the club messiah philosophy that we have fallen in love with previously. Players such as Judd, Coaches, CEO's and Presidents - still ring true. GW seems to be another, and I am very, very sceptical.

I also just can't see how we could seriously expect to believe to be competing by losing, TdK, JSoS and trading Charlie, Cripps and any other experienced player you want to add to this list. We've seen what the delisting's and trades of some experience players over the past 2 years, let one the injuries and other issues have done to us this year. No-one can save a team from such changes.

Agree mate. What club has ever imploded to the level that ppl here are suggesting? Brisbane really suffered when patty karnezis and Billy longer walked out on Voss. As if Cripps tdk sos and curnow go. Ridiculous. This forum is reaching Facebook levels of catastrophising.

Reality is 7-8 guys have had their career worst year. They’ll bounce back and the list can be re-jigged quickly over the next two drafts/trade periods without having to jettison every star on the list.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Is there a level above nuclear? If there isn't, sounds like we gonna need a definition if all this stuff goes down.

Supernova

 

[RedFury]

It's interesting isn't it.

I can't imagine the senior playing group being too upset about the likes of Marchbank, Martin, etc being delisted unless they held an underlying (maybe even unspoken) belief that their bodies/injuries were mismanaged by the club.

I mean you can't blame a club for parting ways with players who can't stay on the park, unless you think the club is mostly responsible for that, can you?

If it turns out they are just unhappy because their mates are gone, with 0 appreciation of their injury history and the value of list spots, then they need to grow up and realise this is an AFL club not a community centre.

 

[We may never win again]

Fly is a gun coach. Gw literally chose him and others over Voss. And you're laughing at fly? Stop attempting to shit can the rumours. The takes are weird.

Pies didn’t just choose him, they actually sought him out

 

[Opium]

Looking at rebuilding in a heavily compromised draft and one that lacks star factor and depth will be a total disaster in a few years.

 

[myblueroan]

Think Charlie gets what he wants

Enough players players leaving, that they'll be able to boo us.

 

[Coona Blues]

I hate to say it but the more that’s being said the more terrified I am that we’re going to blow it up completely. If we trade Cripps Charlie Tdk and Jsos in one off season then forget any sort of bounce back, that’ll be the soul of the club gone, if it isn’t already. So much generational talent completely wasted

Nup, the sustainable soul is Hollands, Cowan, O’Farrell, Lord, Smith, Carroll, Camporeale, Moir, O’Keeffe, White, Charleson, Dean, Walker. Throw in vets Weitering, McKay, Newman, Hewett, Haynes, Williams and Pittonet and a thin mid tier core of Walsh, Cerra, Cottrell and Kemp. A few more names who could be added in there. The cupboard will be far from bare. Any pain should be short lived.

The fascination becomes Elijah if thought is being given to retention. If rampant rumours have basis it would take a monumental act of forgiveness from one bloke in particular. If fit and firing adds a “layer” that is clearly missing at present, but it is a long way back with potential for disruption very real.

 

[Coona Blues]

Looking at rebuilding in a heavily compromised draft and one that lacks star factor and depth will be a total disaster in a few years.

The draft may be a but light on, but there are plenty of viable names to fill our possible/likely gaps from this draft. We are fortunate to not be in desperate need of mids, and have dibs on the best KPD.

 

[lily of laguna]

Fly is a gun coach. Gw literally chose him and others over Voss. And you're laughing at fly? Stop attempting to shit can the rumours. The takes are weird.

Nah you missed read the post, “the rumour” has been mentioned many times that GW “wasn’t too impressed “ with Voss and doesn’t rate him.
Whether true or not people are hoping this means GW will sack Voss at years end.

 

[Accidental genius]

So Jack is gone ..

And

Cripps wants to return to WA?

And maybe Charlie wants out too?

WTF is going on?

If it’s true appears club has decided on a mini rebuild.

 

[Poorman53]

They all took hundreds of thousands of dollars less to stay at Carlton than what they were offered elsewhere.

They weren't cheap but they all took less.

They took a million or more before the TV right increases. I'm assuming they weren't fixed and have now increased as the Don's and WC were the only ones publicised to not have percentage increases.

Yes one or two other clubs may have offered 'more' but they are well and truly not playing on unders. There are guns at other clubs playing for significantly less as they do actually want tram success.

 

[Poorman53]

To clarify the rumour - Charlie is still on the way out?

In which case based on all the rumours thus far the off-season could be - TDK, Cripps, Doherty, Curnow, JSOS, Acres.

+ potentially 2 from the list of Saad/Mcgovern/motlop/Durdin/Fantasia

Would certainly make for an interesting off-season

All in a year when the draft crop isn't great at all.

 

[smit_is]

Think Charlie gets what he wants

In his own words, ‘I obviously want to be here’.

Had he already snuck off to the Gold Coast when this was quoted??

 

[tarczonandjane]

There’s almost too much to respond to in this thread!

First… I would be very surprised if TDK, JSOS, Curnow, and Cripps were all allowed to go in one offseason. The concerns over Graham Wright as CEO are on his commercial acumen. He’s not going to torpedo his membership numbers. I’d say a maximum of three of those four leave, with maybe some tinkering on the rest of the list like Motlop and Kemp. I still personally believe Melbourne last year was a greater dumpster fire than us, and the eventual change was minimal.

Second… my main interest remains on the people Wright appoints to run the footy side of things. For decades we’ve had a habit of bringing in one good person and surrounding them with deadwood. When that good person fails, we send them on their way and replace them with another solitary good person who fails. Until we build an actually united and innovative team of football department staff, we are going nowhere.

As far as the rumours of the players being disenchanted by the loss of Marchbank, etc is concerned, why wouldn’t it be true? If I am JSOS, I look at Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

and wonder why my own injuries can’t be managed as well as has happened at Geelong. I then look at Matty Kennedy and see what happens when picked to play in the right position. Why wouldn’t players look at those examples and have it brought home to them about the level of mismanagement at Carlton?

Finally, if Cripps is off, I’d agree with the perspective that we won’t get much in return. If the rumours of Cripps and Curnow departures are on the money (and I have my reservations that both would go), the question does have to be asked at some stage as to whether we do want to retain TDK. $1m isn’t enough to retain TDK. But $1.2m might be. If so, do we want to go there?

 

[Gointocarlton]

I hate to say it but the more that’s being said the more terrified I am that we’re going to blow it up completely. If we trade Cripps Charlie Tdk and Jsos in one off season then forget any sort of bounce back, that’ll be the soul of the club gone, if it isn’t already. So much generational talent completely wasted

Respectfully, if they were the “soul” of the club, I doubt we’d be in the predicament we are in.

 

[Benaly28]

Lots of catatrophising in here.

 

[plentyblckie]

Not having a go at anyone in particular, but I certainly don't believe in the club messiah philosophy that we have fallen in love with previously. Players such as Judd, Coaches, CEO's and Presidents - still ring true. GW seems to be another, and I am very, very sceptical.

I also just can't see how we could seriously expect to believe to be competing by losing, TdK, JSoS and trading Charlie, Cripps and any other experienced player you want to add to this list. We've seen what the delisting's and trades of some experience players over the past 2 years, let one the injuries and other issues have done to us this year. No-one can save a team from such changes.

One of my points was that he seen plenty of times players looking around and exploring their options.
He won't panic. After a yr of observing he will have formed a view on what is making said players unhappy.

 

[branedotorg]

i just dont think the eagles will be offering high draft picks for a 30 year old Cripps

Mid first is fair, especially in a poor draft.

If we get Hawthorn's pick back for him, lets us either use the TDK compo as a live pick or trade that on and still get dean and ison without compromising 2026 picks for walker.

 

[Red_man2008]

Lots of catatrophising in here.

Well we’re about to turn into Richmond in one off season without a super draft to get us excited, two of our juniors have done ACLs. A third generation Carlton, blue blooded part of the furniture is leaving for our arch nemesis. Our game plan is atrocious, and our players can’t kick. We are about to lose our head coach or keep him, whatever is worse

 

[Ezayyak]

But he short-listed him (along with Kingsley) from a field of 92 names?

What a weird individual.

I think the part he missed was at the stage of, game plan presentation, which was the 3rd or so interview. This is where Voss floundered.

I wish I could find the article written in the Age after they won the flag. It was mentioned in it.

 

[smashbox gill]

Our very own go home 5

 

[Opium]

Mid first is fair, especially in a poor draft.

If we get Hawthorn's pick back for him, lets us either use the TDK compo as a live pick or trade that on and still get dean and ison without compromising 2026 picks for walker.

Mid first will end up closer to mid 20s once academy, father sons and free agency picks are accounted for.