Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVIII

[Aphrodite]

#BUMP from February


Re: 'Alleged' rumours resurfacing ...

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Thanks all!

 

[Buddy33]

Just saw Shane Crawford walking around Chadstone with a Carlton cap on

Odds of him replacing Cripps in the mid

 

[branedotorg]

A teacher who played AFL…?

i think parko's a bit past it now tbh

 

[woof39]

If Yazz says Lloyd and Voss are done, then Lloyd and Voss are done.

The follow up point about Skipworth is exactly why I am not worried about Melbourne sacking Goodwin. As I suspected, we are already well down the track on our coach search. If anything, the Dees went for the sacking so they could try and catch up to us. They are in no way ahead.

See I don't believe we have even started our coaching search. Perhaps we have only made the decision to move on from Voss now.

The board/club are not going to get into any type of race with a club about who could potentially coach us next year, they will back themselves to pick who they want and won't be dictated by pressure.

 

[KnobHead]

Reckon if you go through the history of modern coaches that have coached premierships, vast majority would b first time senior coaches. They have the enthusiasm and won’t be tied to old strategies

Hard part is picking a great assistant coach that will also be a great senior coach

 

[swuzzlebubble]

A teacher who played AFL…?

Mitch Lewis - Captain coach,?

 

[SirSanchez]

I don't think he is done yet, if he gets another gig he will win a premiership at some stage.

No way he misses his last chance to win one

Am I missing something? I cannot see Bucks winning a premiership coaching any team.
I respectfully disagree.

I think his ego is too big and he doesn’t have what it takes.

That’s just my opinion obviously.

 

[CoachB]

Hasn’t exactly been a roaring success.
Inness has to be under the microscope as well.

Rome wasn't built in a day, the Crows have spent 5 years building their bodies before it kicked in.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Reckon if you go through the history of modern coaches that have coached premierships, vast majority would b first time senior coaches. They have the enthusiasm and won’t be tied to old strategies

Hard part is picking a great assistant coach that will also be a great senior coach

Let's go through the last few premiership coaches:

2024 - Fagan - First time senior coach
2023 - Fly - First time senior coach
2022 - Scott - First time senior coach
2021 - Goodwin - First time senior coach
2020/2019/2017- Hardwick - First time senior coach
2018 - Simpson - First time senior coach
2016 - Bevo - First time senior coach
2015/14/13 - Clarko - First time senior coach
2012 - Horse - First time senior coach
2011 - Scott - First time senior coach
2010 - Malthouse - Third time senior coach

We literally have to go back 15 years to find the last time a premiership coach wasn't in their first senior coaching gig. As much as I rate Longmire as a coach, not sure that history is kind to that desicion. Would much rather have Wright and co. try and pick the best assistant coach available and get them in to have a fresh look at things. Skipworth who we've rumoured to have been talking to seems to fit the bill; younger, modern gameplan, done extracurricular training in leadership etc., plus Wright would know if he's a good fit or not.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Hasn’t exactly been a roaring success.
Inness has to be under the microscope as well.

He is considered amongst the top tier of performance people in the country. It’s not him, it’s us.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

He is considered amongst the top tier of performance people in the country. It’s not him, it’s us.

Exactly, when Russell came in as the number 1 guy and then didn't work out it's hard to tell who's to blame, the head of fitness or the players.

If another top dog comes in and has similar problems, the benefit of the doubt is slowly fading from the player's perspective...

 

[Bluebag13]

Reckon if you go through the history of modern coaches that have coached premierships, vast majority would b first time senior coaches. They have the enthusiasm and won’t be tied to old strategies

Hard part is picking a great assistant coach that will also be a great senior coach

The narrative that 1st time coaches are better or more likely to win premierships ignores that the majority of coaches are in their 1st stint, making it statistically more likely for premierships to be won by them.

2nd time head coaches are rare comparatively, this isnt a reflection of coaching ability 2nd time coaches are rare, not unsuccessful.
It's more about demographics than a proven advantage

 

[Sector 7G]

He is considered amongst the top tier of performance people in the country. It’s not him, it’s us.

Maybe so but we have to question how training for power over endurance has hurt the team running out games given the players on our list. It is why a one size fits all training programme is not necessarily the best.

Hopefully an extra preseason will see improvements.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I don't think he is done yet, if he gets another gig he will win a premiership at some stage.

No way he misses his last chance to win one

Bucks was a demons fan growing up... Just saying...

 

[Graffy4242]

Bucks was a demons fan growing up... Just saying...

I was walking my dog on Elwood Beach this morning, Brad Green walking the other direction spots Bucks who was chatting to someone else. Brad walked over and said a very quick and awkward hello as if he didn't want anyone to see them together in public. Interesting.

 

[ferrisb]

Bucks was a demons fan growing up... Just saying...

Bucks was a Bucks fan grown up... Just saying...

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Let's go through the last few premiership coaches:

2024 - Fagan - First time senior coach
2023 - Fly - First time senior coach
2022 - Scott - First time senior coach
2021 - Goodwin - First time senior coach
2020/2019/2017- Hardwick - First time senior coach
2018 - Simpson - First time senior coach
2016 - Bevo - First time senior coach
2015/14/13 - Clarko - First time senior coach
2012 - Horse - First time senior coach
2011 - Scott - First time senior coach
2010 - Malthouse - Third time senior coach

We literally have to go back 15 years to find the last time a premiership coach wasn't in their first senior coaching gig. As much as I rate Longmire as a coach, not sure that history is kind to that desicion. Would much rather have Wright and co. try and pick the best assistant coach available and get them in to have a fresh look at things. Skipworth who we've rumoured to have been talking to seems to fit the bill; younger, modern gameplan, done extracurricular training in leadership etc., plus Wright would know if he's a good fit or not.

not sure of your logic.

there are simply few second time or third time coaches about...

Dimma is going ok?

 

[Styxx]

In regards to Rob Innes.

A normal person doesn't build their body from where it was to what they want it to be in 6 months, let alone be an athlete that takes hits to the body and gets regularly injured.

The results will be another 12 months away at best. Settle the breaks.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

not sure of your logic.

there are simply few second time or third time coaches about...

Dimma is going ok?

He's going fine, but throughout that 15 year history there were a plentiful amount of second time or third time coaches about, yet none of them won a flag.

Getting a coach who has had the role before isn't terrible, many coaches have coached fantastic sides on their second or third go (Ross at Freo immediately comes to mind).

You're right though, it's not an infallable way of looking at things, too many factors at play.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I don't think he is done yet, if he gets another gig he will win a premiership at some stage.

No way he misses his last chance to win one

Nah, I think he’s cursed just like we are…no way I want a curse mixed with another curse

 

[Pixelshooter]

We literally have to go back 15 years to find the last time a premiership coach wasn't in their first senior coaching gig. As much as I rate Longmire as a coach, not sure that history is kind to that desicion. Would much rather have Wright and co. try and pick the best assistant coach available and get them in to have a fresh look at things. Skipworth who we've rumoured to have been talking to seems to fit the bill; younger, modern gameplan, done extracurricular training in leadership etc., plus Wright would know if he's a good fit or not.

Let's face it...if we're realists, we're probably not going to win a flag in the next 3 years. I reckon the first step in getting back on track is the culture around the place, a bit more of a hard edge and some respect at senior coach level.

So if it was up to me, I'd approach Longmire and see if he wants to coach for 3 years with Skipworth or Daly guaranteed to take over after that.

Longmire has already worked under planned succession with Roos at Sydney. Worked with Roos and Goodwin. I think if it was managed properly, the terms mapped out with 100% transparency from day 1, it could work.

The one proviso - I'm not sure whether Skipworth or Daly would want to wait 3 years.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

I was walking my dog on Elwood Beach this morning, Brad Green walking the other direction spots Bucks who was chatting to someone else. Brad walked over and said a very quick and awkward hello as if he didn't want anyone to see them together in public. Interesting.

To be fair, with how parasitic the media are these days if Brad Green walked up to me to say g'day I'd also hate to be seen with him for 30 seconds and have articles written about me for the next week, regardless of if I was interested in the coaching job or not.

 

[TheThunderboltKid]

Let's go through the last few premiership coaches:

2024 - Fagan - First time senior coach
2023 - Fly - First time senior coach
2022 - Scott - First time senior coach
2021 - Goodwin - First time senior coach
2020/2019/2017- Hardwick - First time senior coach
2018 - Simpson - First time senior coach
2016 - Bevo - First time senior coach
2015/14/13 - Clarko - First time senior coach
2012 - Horse - First time senior coach
2011 - Scott - First time senior coach
2010 - Malthouse - Third time senior coach

We literally have to go back 15 years to find the last time a premiership coach wasn't in their first senior coaching gig. As much as I rate Longmire as a coach, not sure that history is kind to that desicion. Would much rather have Wright and co. try and pick the best assistant coach available and get them in to have a fresh look at things. Skipworth who we've rumoured to have been talking to seems to fit the bill; younger, modern gameplan, done extracurricular training in leadership etc., plus Wright would know if he's a good fit or not.

I have vendors trying to sell to me like this all the time. First go through and tell me how many of the current coaches are on their second go around?

 

[katmanblue]

Brendan Bolton?

Easy to overlook

 

[Blue since 72]

Exactly, when Russell came in as the number 1 guy and then didn't work out it's hard to tell who's to blame, the head of fitness or the players.

If another top dog comes in and has similar problems, the benefit of the doubt is slowly fading from the player's perspective...

Thought Russell in that podcast alluded to certain players not doing the right things to get themselves in tip top shape.

He was also reminded to stay in his lane and not make suggestions on how to improve outside of his assumedly directed narrow focus.

I've been of the belief that the players have been getting off lightly re accountability for their own performance and standards for a fair few years now.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

I have vendors trying to sell to me like this all the time. First go through and tell me how many of the current coaches are on their second go around?

5/18, so roughly 27%.

In the last 15 years, a non-first time coach has won a premiership 6% of the time.

Very simplistic way of looking at it but it illustrates that it's not just due to the lack of second/third time senior coaches.