MRP / Trib. Newcombe hit on Howe

[Lavender Bushranger]

So many salty peeps wanting a Hawks player to get suspended. Laughable.

Went to tackle, arms down, no jumping, no shoulder charge/bump, slowed down etc. Did everything correctly and nothing wrong.

Just an unfortunate accident.

0 weeks

I don't think that's the way the MRO and the AFL see these things anymore.

The May one was all about not entering a contest more carefully. Basically, you're not allowed to attack a contest a full speed if someone is coming the other way.

Like with May, if they run into you and they get hurt, for some reason it's the fault of the guy that didn't get hurt.

There is absolutely zero chance the AFL don't apply the same logic her and suspended Duke for 3 weeks.

As much as it sucks and how stupid the logic is, it's just how the AFL adjudicate it.

"May ran a sufficient distance and had sufficient time with an unimpeded view of what was before him to determine what he could and should do in the likely event he did not reach the ball first or at the same time."

Basically you're expected to know that a clash will occur, and show a duty of care to avoid it. Apparently.

 

[SSSSSS]

I'm here for the melts either way this goes.

 

[Ry009]

I don't think Newcombe should get weeks, but having a few similar incidents within a couple of weeks of each other highlights that the AFL need to draw a line in the sand.

Acknowledge that that the game is like combat sports where head contact is an accepted risk, write it into players contracts so that that AFL are immune to further legal action around concussion and all parties can move on.

With that though, make sure that kids/grassroots footy are playing and being taught in a way that prepares them for potential head contact.

If you aren't going to do that, then amend the game to the point contact is driven out of the game (which naturally no-one will be happy with)

Wet lettuce approach to concussion at AFL level only isn't doing anyone any favors.

Changing rules back and forth based on muscle memory and instinct driven into players that have played a certain way for 10+ years is lunacy IMO.

But AFL are gonna AFL.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

Lots of Hawks supporters were telling us how May should have slowed down when approaching the contest a couple of weeks ago...

“Lots” doing some very heavy lifting here. How many? Like 6?

 

[Mofra]

Football accident. Newcombe elected to tackle and there was an accidental head clash.

No case to answer.

 

[ToddaRools]

Howe was moving forwards with the sole intent and focus on winning the ball, Newcomb entered the contest clearly without eyes on the ball and showed no intent to slow down or avoid the collision.
The MRO set the standard with the May decision, at least 3 weeks is expected.
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[jakson68]

Unfortunate for Howe and I wish him a speedy recovery.

Nothing to see here though.
There has to still be room for unfortunate accidental incidents in our game.

 

[RedWhite4Ever]

If he gets rubbed out for that - ill buy a Hawks membership!!

 

[smeltitdeltit]

Apparently he was, according to all the Hawks boys two weeks ago...

“All”. Ha ha.

 

[Groater]

If anyone is getting weeks, it should be Howe. Ball in front of him, recklessly and dangerously tried to run through a player who didn't have vision of him until the very last.

 

[Andyy]

Should be nothing.

But this is the AFL/MRO, so you may as well flip a coin to decide if they'll go after him, then roll a dice for week if they've decided to nail him.


Obviously Newcombe should have anticipated the contact coming in the last 0.1 seconds, by looking for nearby players instead of watching the ball, and subsequently teleported himself 3 foot to the right to prevent contact. Because that's how easy it is to avoid contact, just ask the AFL.

 

[Andyy]

If anyone is getting weeks, it should be Howe. Ball in front of him, recklessly and dangerously tried to run through a player who didn't have vision of him until the very last.

If the AFL takes the 'due diligence' nonsense as seriously as they say they do, then I don't disagree with you tbh.

Otherwise the only logical deduction is that IF you get to the ball first you can do whatever the F you want.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

He was probably just smirking about having to leave the ground to do a 20 minute concussion test.

As if any player intentionally clashes heads with an opponent. Plug your brain in mate.

He may have a plug but certainly no brain.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

It is, isn't it?

Interesting to see the hypocritical behaviour now the boot is on the other foot.

Hawks are done without Newcombe for the last two games. Season over and a 9th placed finish.

You’re taking the loss well

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I don't think Newcombe should get weeks, but having a few similar incidents within a couple of weeks of each other highlights that the AFL need to draw a line in the sand.

Acknowledge that that the game is like combat sports where head contact is an accepted risk, write it into players contracts so that that AFL are immune to further legal action around concussion and all parties can move on.

With that though, make sure that kids/grassroots footy are playing and being taught in a way that prepares them for potential head contact.

If you aren't going to do that, then amend the game to the point contact is driven out of the game (which naturally no-one will be happy with)

Wet lettuce approach to concussion at AFL level only isn't doing anyone any favors.

Changing rules back and forth based on muscle memory and instinct driven into players that have played a certain way for 10+ years is lunacy IMO.

But AFL are gonna AFL.

The dumb thing is that Howe, like the Carlton guy, are equally responsible for the injury as May and Duke were.


It's just so stupid that two guys run kamakazi style at the ball, and the guy that protects himself is the one that gets punished.

 

[ToddaRools]

The dumb thing is that Howe, like the Carlton guy, are equally responsible for the injury as May and Duke were.


It's just so stupid that two guys run kamakazi style at the ball, and the guy that protects himself is the one that gets punished.

i think the difference here was that newcombe had no intention of contesting the ball and clearly made the decision to tackle howe. The MRO has clearly stated with the so called Maynard rule that the person instigating the tackle has a duty of care for the outcome.

 

[Carnthefkntigs]

If it happened in a prelim i think he gets off but in the home and away i reckon he gets 3 weeks

 

[Fadge]

“Lots” doing some very heavy lifting here. How many? Like 6?

Hawthorn supporters were the most boisterous in the Steven May thread for whatever reason, and interestingly those very same people have barely said 'Boo' in this thread...

 

[Fadge]

The dumb thing is that Howe, like the Carlton guy, are equally responsible for the injury as May and Duke were.


It's just so stupid that two guys run kamakazi style at the ball, and the guy that protects himself is the one that gets punished.

Yep, it is.

 

[BomberManU]

Of course he shouldn't be suspended, but he will be. Yes, the AFL are a clown show, when it comes to the tribunal, but you'd expect that they'll follow their own nonsense put forward at the May hearing.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

After looking at it, it looks more like Howe ran into Newcombe at full pace and came off second best. Newcombe appeared to be slowing down to contest the ball as he saw Howe coming and Howe just didn't slow whatsoever.

Yeah, the more I have watched it the more obvious it becomes that Howe was the one who cannoned into Newk, not the other way round.

Not saying Howe lined up Newk, or that it was deliberate in any way, more that Newcombe was approaching a contest, got split right up the middle and somehow came off the best.

 

[Vindicater]

Should get zero.

But it is the AFL sooo....

 

[ToddaRools]

Yeah, the more I have watched it the more obvious it becomes that Howe was the one who cannoned into Newk, not the other way round.

Not saying Howe lined up Newk, or that it was deliberate in any way, more that Newcombe was approaching a contest, got split right up the middle and somehow came off the best.

only one player had eyes solely on the ball and it wasnt newcombe

 

[RCAB]

John Ralph said he made an attempt to tackle but to me it was more like a body check (essentially a bump). Hardly saw any movement of arms to actually grab Howe.

 

[RCAB]

I'm here for the melts either way this goes.

It's only going one way