List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion - part 2

[St Neil]

If tomorrow Flyin Ryan requests a trade to us and JSOS confirms he is signing with us, my head will explode!

And then we make a play for Butters and he nominates us as well.

This place would go full nuclear.

 

[St Neil]

I normally don't take pleasure in this kind of stuff and sink the boot in, but Carlton have been such an arrogant team who cheated for decades and now all of the chickens are coming home to roost!

Never forget 1984. Never.

Unforgivable.

 

[True Believer]

Or..... a fool and his money are easily parted.

There's an old saying for everything.

Time will tell where the wisdom was. Hopefully with the Saints.

You really just can't let a parade pass without pissing on it, can you?

 

[StCicatriz]

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hahahaha

 

[austinnn]

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Glorious

We should get great attendance at the next Saints Blues match, tens of thousands of 'Baggers lining up to boo the great man.

 

[SainterinSydney]

The story of the Carlton Football Club

 

[Mr_R0b0t]

Signed until he's 34 years old. Kinda reckless by us imo. Like King, better be worth it. Live or die by the sword.

There’s plenty of off ramps for the Club with King’s contract. Given this, suggest this will be the same for TDK’s contract

 

[jwikked]

There’s plenty of off ramps for the Club with King’s contract. Given this, suggest this will be the same for TDK’s contract

Where’s the proof on that? It was only ever said on here, nowhere else.

Kings contract has no outs

 

[phantom13]

GWS have more than one good tall back.

Named Sam Taylor?

 

[Munga]

There’s plenty of off ramps for the Club with King’s contract. Given this, suggest this will be the same for TDK’s contract

Good point. If they have performance and medical clauses, it might not hurt us too badly.

 

[jwikked]

Good point. If they have performance and medical clauses, it might not hurt us too badly.

There’s none. He’s signed until 2032

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Signed until he's 34 years old. Kinda reckless by us imo. Like King, better be worth it. Live or die by the sword.

His last contracted season will be mainly as a 33yo ... doesnt sound as bad ... and depending on the finer details of his contract he might be on fk all or not even with us by then

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Or..... a fool and his money are easily parted.

There's an old saying for everything.

Time will tell where the wisdom was. Hopefully with the Saints.

 

[Sully111]

I have my reservations around the TDK deal but I'm keeping an open mind. Hoping he comes in and helps us improve. Might just be a great move by the club.

As for laughing at the blues I think I'll wait until we're actually playing good consistent footy before I spend any energy there.

Is it time to make player contracts public? All the speculation by the media is kinda gross and invades their privacy anyway. I'm all for taking the ability to bullshit away from the cesspit that is the AFL media.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

If you read the Scum board TDK's contract is now up to 1.85m per year ... it will be over 2m in a few days .... throw in the JSOS & Curnow talk it's an out of control dumpster fire over there

 

[vanders]

It’s never too late bros ….the old saying …”once you go red,white and black….”

The soft spot ain't that soft

 

[Munga]

There’s none. He’s signed until 2032

That's 7 seasons, but the media are saying it's 8??

 

[jwikked]

That's 7 seasons, but the media are saying it's 8??

Max king? His contract extension overlaps with his old contract

 

[Longmembrey]

Would be paying them $2 million in my opinion. Not too far off. More reflective of when they signed the contract than current market value

Yep, plus they had to trade for Jackson, we got tdk for free

 

[SaintJunior]

Apologies for the intrusion but why lie about something that can easily be checked? I said there is no universe we would ever use the TDK compo pick to match a bid on Dean.

Thanks for taking the time to visit our forum to clarify the exact point you were making, appreciate the effort and courage that must have taken.

Clearly you have never seen Harry Dean play as the only way you are not using the compo pick on him is if you trade out the pick or get in front of the bid.

Maybe you could package it up with Curnow for something .

As a matter of interest what’s the general feeling on the Carlton board Chicken or Plain Salt. All getting bit salty on your board .

 

[Longmembrey]

Reading the Carlton board is very enjoyable. TDK is shit apparently, a scumbag and Pittonet is gonna do a number on him next year.

We better snatch this Pittonet fella off them too then - just to be safe

 

[sauce_head]

That is how it used to work. Not anymore

When a team was good previously, think early 2000's Brisbane, the cap was tight but they would still get good players - ie Caracalla - on only low money. But what then happened was young emerging stars were squeezed out for money (see Headland or Gram). Thus the cycle begins again at the bottom after the flag

With academies and f/s, this doesn't happen. Not only is there is a pipeline of elite young players arriving - think Ashcroft x2, Fletcher, Marshall and now Annabel. But more importantly they stay on lower money because they are already attached to the club. That means teams like Brisbane can still land top end talent on good money (Allen) while drafting and retaining young talent like a bottom 4 team.

Essentially they get to double dip because not only do they get access to players they never should be able to, but these kids ALSO have an inbuilt loyalty to stay. That helps your salary cap in the long term, while the carrot of immediate success works short-term. Meanwhile we are in a s^t-fight to get access, which requires being sh1t. But even then we still have to build that connection post draft, and the price gap between retaining talent and poaching talent is not as wide (see NAS). That's part of how the rich teams get richer and the gap widens

Even when Northern teams make mistakes with their cap, they can just offload the consequences with a pick (see Bowes or Atkins), because the order of picks in the open draft is meaningless to them. They draft on points. Meanwhile we draft on position. It is a two speed system. The access should be the benifit of an acadamy. Not access and a discount!

Unless you get incredibly lucky like the Dogs (with Darcy, West, Croft, Ugle-Hagen, Sanders, Libba etc etc), or you have a point of difference like Geelong (location) or Collingwood (sponsorship), teams like us will continue to struggle. It is also why figures like Hill and Wood are so important to us

Why North, Essendon, Carlton, the Dees, Port and Freo aren't in there fighting alongside us around draft equalization has got me f^^ked

Great post! Then add the AFL caring more about eyeballs and the associated dollars than equality and you have the situation we are in. Then they pretend to adjust this via “equalization payments”, which the club is criticised for requiring due to “bad management”. As you outline, in one situation you get opportunities to quickly recover from normal failure, contrastingly in ours, you get minimal.

 

[sauce_head]

There's an old saying for everything.

What a stick in the mud.

 

[Joffaboy]

Kings contract has no outs

Where's the proof of that?

 

[snails13]

Not salty at all just don't appreciate being lied about.

Great to learn there is an honest Blue supporter