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Official FA Moves/Trades​
Player/PicksOriginal Team
Receiving Team​
FA /Trade?
Tom De KoningCarltonSt KildaRFA
Jack SilvagniCarltonSt KildaUFA
Jacob WehrGWSPort AdelaideUFA
 Sam DraperEssendonBrisbaneUFA
Oscar AllenWest CoastBrisbaneRFA
Charlie SpargoMelbourneNorth MelbourneUFA

Buku Khamis - requests a trade to Carlton
Wade Derksen - requests a trade to Melbourne
Liam Ryan - requests a trade to St Kilda
Leek Aleer - requests a trade to St Kilda
Campbell Chesser - requests a trade to Carlton
Will Brodie - requests a trade to Port Adelaide
Liam Reidy - requests a trade to Carlton
Sam Flanders - has requested a trade/explore options
 
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roos_fanatic08 said:
Ah well.

Alex Davies should be the one we target now.
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I don’t get the fascination we have with going after more midfielders.

We potentially have O’Sullivan and McKercher that will seek more midfield time. I would also like to see us trial Curtis and Zurhaar in there more.

Any capital we have should be thrown at fixing that defensive half. It should be the one mandate for this List Management Team, fix the defence.
 
Roosurgence said:
I don’t get the fascination we have with going after more midfielders.

We potentially have O’Sullivan and McKercher that will seek more midfield time. I would also like to see us trial Curtis and Zurhaar in there more.

Any capital we have should be thrown at fixing that defensive half. It should be the one mandate for this List Management Team, fix the defence.
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Windhager and Davies are both big bodied defensive midfielders. It would help out balance if we had one of those types in there. Would allow LDU, Wardlaw, Kerc and co to play their more natural attacking game style.

Parker has been playing that role for us, but he struggles with the 188cm+ 90+kg mids.
 

Footy’s free agent and draft disaster: Where to now and how do we make it fair?​

The AFL’s free agency system gives clubs over-inflated rewards for shopping established stars. It’s ruining an already-compromised AFL draft. Jon Ralph writes, this is how we fix it.
Jon Ralph

5 min read
August 29, 2025 - 5:00AM
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...ory/a0b5ae6ca63cfbc5d5fbd9deadd9242f#comments

On face value the free agency developments of the week could be seen as an utter disaster for the AFL and its quest to equalise the competition.

Footy’s worst side West Coast forced to move its co-captain to the AFL premier Brisbane, using a free agency system that gives clubs ridiculously over-inflated rewards for shopping established stars.

Pick two as compensation for Oscar Allen when on the open market a club might hand over pick 25?

Where do we sign up?

And St Kilda forced to offer up nearly $14 million over eight seasons for Tom De Koning because the draft is so broken the club’s run of bottom-half ladder finishes hasn’t stocked its cupboard with elite talent.

The kicker?

Brisbane might secure not one, but two high-priced free agents in Allen and Draper in part because of a wildly unfair and inconsistent father-son system.

Instead of paying its midfield stars millions to win a flag it has father-sons Levi and Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher running around on minimum chips on AFL mandated deals.

No wonder they have enough salary cap savings that they can afford to offer Allen and Draper salaries that will likely have to top $850,000 if their current clubs are to secure band one compensation.

Gold Coast academy kids Zeke Uwland and Dylan Patterson and Brisbane’s academy mid Daniel Annable are all in contention for the top five of November’s draft.

So far, so very normal for an AFL based on the Orwellian ‘all things are equal’ principle.
But the events of the week also give the AFL a significant mandate for change.

New football boss Greg Swann might laugh at the timing given his Lions benefited so richly from the current system he will have to help dismantle.

The question is how the AFL do it without screwing over clubs like Carlton in the process, as the Blues await the arrival next November of freakish talent Cody Walker (son of Andrew).

The Herald Sun has already reported that the AFL has an appetite to tweak its free agency formula over summer so clubs do not get such outrageous returns when Allen or Ben McKay depart.

The Roos never even offered McKay a deal (North Melbourne ended up with pick four), while West Coast handed Allen several modest offers across the year but he never countered and those talks eventually broke down.

If the AFL changed its free agency compensation system so the very best return for a club with a departing free agent was pick 11 (after that year’s non-finalists) and only if the offer was seven figures a season, it would immediately make the system fairer.

Any free agents not on the top handful of AFL contracts would secure end-of-first-round compensation at best.

So Essendon would only secure pick 19 if Sam Draper departed, while the Eagles would be compelled to offer Allen a fairer deal so he didn’t eventually leave for an end-of-first-round pick.

Clubs like Carlton are now bracing for the AFL to exclude them from bidding in the first round of the 2026 draft for NGA and father-son talent.

It was only last year that clubs were allowed to again bid on players within the top 40 with NGA talent again to prioritise investment in indigenous and diverse talent, so it would be an almighty backflip.

But this year’s draft will be ridiculously compromised with 6-8 father-son, academy and NGA picks in the top 25 selections and compo picks for Tom De Koning, Jack Silvagni, Allen and potentially Draper set to dilute the draft even further.

Gold Coast’s view is that if the AFL bans them from matching bids in the first round of the draft, what is the point of investing $2m a year into trying to develop Queensland talent.

As football boss Wayne Campbell told Fox Footy’s telecast on Thursday: “We came out of last week’s meeting (with the AFL) being told this year would be the same for the 2025 draft. 2026 will be different but we don’t know what the differences will be.

“The balance is about development versus acquisition. You won’t develop unless you can acquire them. There is no incentive. Some would argue clubs can acquire them too easily but the northern academies work. We are developing talent and the rest of Australia isn’t doing as well on that front.

“You could argue that we have an advantage with academies but if you factor in all the other structural inequalities, it’s almost the only one.”

The AFL could ban clubs from bidding altogether on talent in the top five or 10 or 20 picks next year.

Surely the better solution is to have a decent crack at actually getting clubs to pay fair price before we go to the scorched earth model.

This year the AFL has reduced a 20 per cent discount for matched bids to 10 per cent and reduced the points value of draft picks past the top handful of picks, making stockpiling of late selections futile.

The issue is clubs rarely bid for rival talent exactly where they should be in the draft, so there is already a built-in discount.

If Brisbane is to finish top four this year then secure future 250-gamer Dan Annable in the top handful of draft picks, it should decimate the club’s entire draft hand for 2025 and require them to trade in a 2026 first-round pick.

It should be a vexing decision for a list management group, not a walk in the park.
Ditto with Carlton next year.

If Carlton is so desperate to secure the generational star it might have to trade out an established star to help elevate its mid-first round pick up the order to help acquire that top three pick it needs to match a bid.

Instead clubs scoffed at the AFL in recent years by trading out their future first-round picks when they had stars in coming drafts, so effortlessly could they match bids.

Carlton would feel it has been screwed over by the AFL if Brisbane was allowed to stockpile four elite young kids and take advantage of free agency rules then the moment its turn came, it was cut off at the knees.


Rivals would counter that they are about to get a top-10 compensation pick for Tom De Koning despite his lack of elite best-and-fairest finishes and secure father son Harry Dean and NGA talent Jack Ison this year.

But the AFL has options instead of just putting a hard-and-fast ban on bids in the first round of the draft.

It should tighten its bidding procedures even more next year.

Force clubs to pay a 20 per cent premium when they match a bid, not secure a discount for getting the rails run on star kids.

Require them to have a pick within three draft positions of any rival bid to get their player.
Mandate that clubs which finish in the top eight can only match one bid in any given year.
Ban the preliminary finalists from matching any bids.

There are myriad options that give the AFL the 2026 national draft – which has few northern states academy stars in prospect – another chance to fix the system without the doomsday scenario Blues fans fear.
 

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saints initial offer of 2 years that only just changed due to our 5 year offer shows how they truly value windy

if he is smart he leaves them for us

there was a rumour that mid year in a saints preso to nas they showed him the future best 22 and it didnt include windy his best mate which raised concern for him too
 
 
tazaa said:
We’ve been doing this for years tho and we’re still shit
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Every Premiership, Brownlow, All Australian etc. player's speech should consist of; I'm so glad I stayed to achieve success, I'd like to thank my team mates, coaches, my manager and the North Melbourne Football Club for helping bump my contract up an extra $500K over 4 years.
 
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Why not change free agency to a system where the club getting the player have to give up a draft pick based on the terms of the contract?

Ie Allen leaves west coast

Current system

West coast get awarded pick 2

My proposed system

Brisbane give up their first round draft pick. Call it 18.

The afl compensate west coast with a pick after the bottom 10 clubs in the draft. Call it pick 11.

If Allen were going to a club near the bottom, and that club had pick 6 for example. That club forfeits pick 6 and that’s it.
 
the big lebowski said:
Why not change free agency to a system where the club getting the player have to give up a draft pick based on the terms of the contract?

Ie Allen leaves west coast

Current system

West coast get awarded pick 2

My proposed system

Brisbane give up their first round draft pick. Call it 18.

The afl compensate west coast with a pick after the bottom 10 clubs in the draft. Call it pick 11.

If Allen were going to a club near the bottom, and that club had pick 6 for example. That club forfeits pick 6 and that’s it.
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But then, that's not 'Free'.
 
My Left Foote said:
Every Premiership, Brownlow, All Australian etc. players speech should consist of; I'm so glad I stayed to achieve success, I'd like to thank my team mates, coaches, my manager and the North Melbourne Football Club for helping bump my contract up an extra $500K.
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Dusty, Kelly, Gaff, De Goey, Heeney, Viney, Treloar.

****, even Jai Newcombe put a price on his head so we wouldn’t take him in the MSD.
 
the big lebowski said:
It’s free agency

As in I have freedom in agency about deciding where I’m going.

Where did “free” for the club come into it?
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Always has been the way. The only thing you need to stump up is cash. Clubs go that way to fill needs without the need to trade assets.
 
tazaa said:
Dusty, Kelly, Gaff, De Goey, Heeney, Viney, Treloar.

****, even Jai Newcombe put a price on his head so we wouldn’t take him in the MSD.
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This one shits me, it's not like that would have broken the bank we've always had plenty of cap space, we should have bit the bullet and taken him he was exactly what we needed.
 

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The Nostradamus said:
there was a rumour that mid year in a saints preso to nas they showed him the future best 22 and it didnt include windy his best mate which raised concern for him too
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giantroo said:
Always has been the way. The only thing you need to stump up is cash. Clubs go that way to fill needs without the need to trade assets.
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I’ve fully understood the way it’s worked.

Doesn’t mean it’s the best way.

Why should the premier give up nothing to get a top 5 player?

How can the AFL (or Ralph as per his article) say with a straight face reducing compensation to the losing club will do anything but make things more unequal?

LDU leaves north to go to hawthorn and we get pick 11 and hawthorn give up nothing………… and that helps equalisation?

Come on man

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills
 
My Left Foote said:
This one shits me, it's not like that would have broken the bank we've always had plenty of cap space, we should have bit the bullet and taken him he was exactly what we needed.
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Was probably overestimating Edwards as much as taking our eyes off the ball in overlooking Newcombe.
 
My Left Foote said:
This one shits me, it's not like that would have broken the bank we've always had plenty of cap space, we should have bit the bullet and taken him he was exactly what we needed.
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Yup. Put a price on his head so it was worth leaving his decent full time job. We were never taking him, with or without the minimum terms he set.
 

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My Left Foote said:
This one shits me, it's not like that would have broken the bank we've always had plenty of cap space, we should have bit the bullet and taken him he was exactly what we needed.
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100% agree

We chickened out. The tactic worked.

We have and continue to burn so much cap space on duds, that this scared us off?
And we’re still offering players like Coleman-Jones extensions.
 
This is also the afl who made a stupid nga system, then changed the stupid system, then inexplicably changed it back, mid year mind you, under the guise of getting more indigenous players into the afl

(Providing zero data to back it up)

All so that * could take a kid that’s played afl his whole life but had Iraqis parents in the first round without having to pay much of anything for him.

But but those indigenous kids ………

**** me
 
the big lebowski said:
I’ve fully understood the way it’s worked.

Doesn’t mean it’s the best way.

Why should the premier give up nothing to get a top 5 player?

How can the AFL (or Ralph as per his article) say with a straight face reducing compensation to the losing club will do anything but make things more unequal?

LDU leaves north to go to hawthorn and we get pick 11 and hawthorn give up nothing………… and that helps equalisation?

Come on man

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills
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You are 100% right, it completely flies in the face of equalisation and will always favour the stronger clubs. In some ways it does grant some level of benefit to clubs at the bottom of the ladder as they do get early draft picks but the net result is the other weak clubs and mid tiers will suffer. Plus early draft picks don’t help teams at the bottom of the ladder climb up - that comes via trade and free agency targets. If AFL can change rules around NGA and Father Son there is no reason why adjustments can’t be made here too.
 
Twangler said:
You are 100% right, it completely flies in the face of equalisation and will always favour the stronger clubs. In some ways it does grant some level of benefit to clubs at the bottom of the ladder as they do get early draft picks but the net result is the other weak clubs and mid tiers will suffer. Plus early draft picks don’t help teams at the bottom of the ladder climb up - that comes via trade and free agency targets. If AFL can change rules around NGA and Father Son there is no reason why adjustments can’t be made here too.
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Another simple tweak

Clubs that finish in the top 4 can’t offer a free regency contract above x

Clubs that finish 5-8 can’t offer a free agency contract above x + x

Bottom 10 Clubs can offer any contract they want
 
Flagroos24 said:
Free Agency is so skewed towards big clubs it's not funny..
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The combination of the introduction of Free Agency coinciding with the masses of high end draft picks and academies given to the expansion clubs has led to the massive inequality in the system. North, Bulldogs or Saints were never going to attract a Jeremy Cameron or Tom Lynch via Free Agency.
 
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