Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[TwiggleyFanClub]

What I think of when I think of St.Kilda

 

[jj1978]

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Player: I’m now a free agent
Stains: shut up and take my money.

 

[Poorman53]

Here's a rumoured offer


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Thanks, I couldn't find anything.

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

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This is what I think of

 

[Wickzki]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, however..

Adelaide and Port both considering Lij.

He has a support network there

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Good luck with that support network, he had his brother for gods sake at the Blues.
The only support network he needs is inside his own head, can HE change that?
I doubt it

 

[DangerousD]

Curnow is a better player than King who has pretty much zero impact outside of the 30m zone from goal. If he doesn't get silver service to him he's pretty much a non-factor as a forward. That's not to say he isn't a good forward but the gap in impact as overall players between them over the last few years is significant. Even in 2025 which was Curnow's poorest year since returning from a serious knee injury he was able to average more score involvements than King despite being in a significantly poorer performing team.

Score involvements*:
2025 (Curnow - 5.4, King - 5.2)
2024 (Curnow - 7.1, King - 5.0)
2023 (Curnow - 7.6, King - 4.5)

*Curnow was a top 11 player for score involvements in the comp in 2022, 2023 and 2024.

Score involvements? Give me the forward who kicks more goals on a consistent basis.

That’s King by the way

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

I take it the media will be pushing and campaigning for the scum to trade Ridley to the Lions like they are doing with Charlie or same rules don’t apply?

 

[carlton_99]

Score involvements? Give me the forward who kicks more goals on a consistent basis.

That’s King by the way

Score involvements takes into account goals as well. But Charlie Curnow is much more than just goals. And King kicked more goals this year sure but not 2023 or 2024.

 

[Tazblue]

Tom was presented with a once in a lifetime, life changing financial decision, exceptional circumstances if you will.
Like Kerry Packer once said, "You only get one Alan Bond in your lifetime" ", in this case "You only get one St KIlda in your lifetime".

 

[gab213]

Score involvements takes into account goals as well. But Charlie Curnow is much more than just goals. And King kicked more goals this year sure but not 2023 or 2024.

Charlie's the better player, hands down. I would be very hesitant to let him go, regardless of what he's saying now.

 

[DZ4]

Would take Ridley in our backline if we thought we could get him fit. Gun.

If not, would take Payne, Gardiner or Doedee from Brisbane, basically whichever KPD ends up falling out of favour. They’re all best 22 with us.

With our new found cap space there should be plenty of opportunity to find some bargains this trade period.

 

[agro]

Tom was presented with a once in a lifetime, life changing financial decision, exceptional circumstances if you will.
Like Kerry Packer once said, "You only get one Alan Bond in your lifetime" ", in this case "You only get one St KIlda in your lifetime".

If you recall Kerry Packer also bought back Channel 9 from Alan Bond real cheap.

 

[DZ4]

Score involvements? Give me the forward who kicks more goals on a consistent basis.

That’s King by the way

It’s been King for 6 months. It’s been Charlie for 4 years.

 

[woof39]

Charlie's the better player, hands down

Yep, you are probably right. However, I don't think there is as big of a gap as you think.

We need to think about what this looks like next year and the next few after that.

Charlie is trending down; King is trending up. Sure, easier for a forward to play in a better team overall. But take into account Charlie's attitude (lots of rumours anyway), his injury history of late, his form, his want to leave and what his body has been through over a longer period of time.

If you believe he will be back to his best next year then yes, Charlie is better. If you are like me and have doubts on Charlie's attitude, his injuries and his production in 25, then the gap is closing fast. Sometimes, there is a bit of arrogance about how we rate our own players vs reality. The hard thing is that we don't know what this reality is until we see him in Navy Blue next year (I bet you if he leaves, he will be much better - it's probably exactly what he needs). Hope I am wrong!

It's a fascinating discussion

 

[ferrisb]

What I think of when I think of St.Kilda

 

[gab213]

Yep, you are probably right. However, I don't think there is as big of a gap as you think.

We need to think about what this looks like next year and the next few after that.

Charlie is trending down; King is trending up. Sure, easier for a forward to play in a better team overall. But take into account Charlie's attitude (lots of rumours anyway), his injury history of late, his form, his want to leave and what his body has been through over a longer period of time.

If you believe he will be back to his best next year then yes, Charlie is better. If you are like me and have doubts on Charlie's attitude, his injuries and his production in 25, then the gap is closing fast. Sometimes, there is a bit of arrogance about how we rate our own players vs reality. The hard thing is that we don't know what this reality is until we see him in Navy Blue next year (I bet you if he leaves, he will be much better - it's probably exactly what he needs). Hope I am wrong!

It's a fascinating discussion

yep, fascinating but the want to leave doesn't bother me, that can be overcome, we've had players wanted to leave going all the way back to the 70s who the club stood firm on and turned them around.

Our champion full back of the 70s and early 80s Geoff Southby wanted to be traded to South Melbourne at the end of 76 at the age of 27, the club refused request. He sat out the early part of the 77 season and returned to the club in round 10. He went on to play another 7 years for us, uncluding the 79 premiership. I'd seriously just refuse to trade Charlie for at least the next two years, I'm betting he'd be fine.

On the matter of what he needs, I think he needs an uninterrupted pre-season so that he can be fit and firing from round 1. He also needs Harry to front up each week so that he's not double-teamed by the best defenders every week.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

4) Voss gave Charlie a baking a few times during the season, more-so about his poor off-field attitude. Tipping point was Charlie riding his bike into the North game when he had a minor injury complaint earlier in that week.

And so he ****en should! That was so unprofessional and his performance that day was a disgrace. He should have been dropped...

I get the feeling next year, players that are not adhering to a professional standard will find themselves playing in the 2's...

 

[The Bighouse]

Would take Ridley in our backline if we thought we could get him fit. Gun.

If not, would take Payne, Gardiner or Doedee from Brisbane, basically whichever KPD ends up falling out of favour. They’re all best 22 with us.

With our new found cap space there should be plenty of opportunity to find some bargains this trade period.

Where’s this Ridley chat coming from..?
Need to be cautious with the head knocks and the soft tissue recurring issues..

Doedee has been inactive for 3 seasons now (a couple of cameos this year but couldn’t make the step up..?)?
Would also need FA contract upheld..

Both 3rd talls.

 

[mochacinolatte]

Not too surprise about Cripps Captain talk. Must be tiring carrying our club for so long.

 

[X-Factor]

Was told the below last night from a recent ex-player... Only passing on what I was told:

1) GW's summary is that the club culture is toxic and needs repairing. Has made it known to the players that none of them are bigger than the club.

2) Players given a 'shape up or ship out' ultimatum, with a focus on team-first mentality

3) Saints front runners for JSOS

4) Voss gave Charlie a baking a few times during the season, more-so about his poor off-field attitude. Tipping point was Charlie riding his bike into the North game when he had a minor injury complaint earlier in that week.

5) Behind the scenes, we're open to trading Curnow. Our public position is just the usual fun and games. Will only trade him for well overs. Sydney the front runners.

6) Cripps likely to stand down as Captain. The role has exhausted him mentally, hence his absence in media roles this year.

This is exactly what we need. The tail has been wagging the dog for so long. I’m all for this and the players being given the ultimatum. Honestly, I’m in the Charlie being traded camp. He isn’t going to get any better. Especially with his reported poor attitude. We need people who play for the monogram on the jumper and not for themselves and the comments from both Weiters and Walsh allude to a change in attitude. Hopefully this is the summer that the CFC grows up

 

[Sickblue]

Charlie clearly wants a sea change and ultimately would like to be by the water and with the Eagles losing their captain plus Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

would the idea or luring a huge name who fits a clear need appeal? The AFL will give them pick 2 as compo for Allen and maybe, just maybe they would trade that for Charlie? They could offer him 1.5 a year, give him a coastal life and we get that pick to entice port to trade butters? Just a thought. I know the Swans, Cats and GC have been mentioned, but I get the feeling it’s more about being out of Melb + by the water than it is about moving for success.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Was told the below last night from a recent ex-player... Only passing on what I was told:

1) GW's summary is that the club culture is toxic and needs repairing. Has made it known to the players that none of them are bigger than the club.

2) Players given a 'shape up or ship out' ultimatum, with a focus on team-first mentality

3) Saints front runners for JSOS

4) Voss gave Charlie a baking a few times during the season, more-so about his poor off-field attitude. Tipping point was Charlie riding his bike into the North game when he had a minor injury complaint earlier in that week.

5) Behind the scenes, we're open to trading Curnow. Our public position is just the usual fun and games. Will only trade him for well overs. Sydney the front runners.

6) Cripps likely to stand down as Captain. The role has exhausted him mentally, hence his absence in media roles this year.

Great share. All of these points make perfect sense and what I imagined might be the case behind the scenes. Glad we are making the changes to form a united team-first club with the right mix of player positions and skills.

 

[SurreyBlue]

It’s giving me “wizard home loans” vibes

He gives me different vibes but I won’t say, as there are children posting.

 

[DangerousD]

Score involvements takes into account goals as well. But Charlie Curnow is much more than just goals. And King kicked more goals this year sure but not 2023 or 2024.

More goals.

2019: King
2020: King
2021: King
2022: Charlie
2023: Charlie
2024: Charlie
2025: King

You’re right though, Charlie is more than just goals and King is a real stay at home full forward who doesn’t do much outside of kicking goals, but he kicks more goals and to me is a much smarter player.