List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 3

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[Max the great]

Ash would be my pick. Damaging run from hb.

You would take Ash over Finn? Gee whiz

 

[SaintsofSteel]

He played like a man not interested.

He has no endurance, is constantly gassed...

 

[Minga]

My 2c, have no reason not the trust the club if they take on Aleer.

If that happens they clearly have something in mind for him, or the price is well worthwhile, even if he’s just for backup.

Definitely has potential but will be hard to shake the athlete > footballer tag.

At the same time, won’t be disappointed if the trade doesn’t eventuate.

Can’t say the same for Ryan, pretty excited to see him in our colours and think he could be a great leader at our club.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

You would take Ash over Finn? Gee whiz

Haven't heard or seen the Gee Whiz for awhile

 

[BrutThough]

Bullies & Blues need one badly

Blues should give him a call.

There was also a whisper last week that Port could be interested too

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

My 2c, have no reason not the trust the club if they take on Aleer.

If that happens they clearly have something in mind for him, or the price is well worthwhile, even if he’s just for backup.

Definitely has potential but will be hard to shake the athlete > footballer tag.

At the same time, won’t be disappointed if the trade doesn’t eventuate.

Can’t say the same for Ryan, pretty excited to see him in our colours and think he could be a great leader at our club.

Aleer is 24 y.o now, potential was there, not seeing it now.

 

[Molly29]

Aleer is 24 y.o now, potential was there, not seeing it now.

I just hope he's pretty much checked out knowing he's Saints bound??

 

[aussierulesrules]

The main thing that Aleer seems to bring to the table is his ability to leap high and get a spoil in, but as I mentioned late in the season- after watching one of our games from level 1- I was really surprised at just how high Hammer was able to get up over the top of packs when he was able to get a running jump at them.

He was getting head-and-shoulders above everyone else and regularly getting the big spoil in, like Dougal used to do.

So it seems to me that Aleer’s best attribute is also possibly Hammer’s.

Despite Hammer having played at least two games up forward for the year, here are the total spoils numbers for the season (the top 6 all listed, and just notable guys after that):

176- Harris Andrews

31

Harris Andrews

Age

28

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

94.0

2star

158- Mac Andrew
149- Darcy Moore

30

Darcy Moore

Age

29

Ht

203cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

169.1

3star

D

13.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

0.7

1star

MG

182.0

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

87.4

2star

147- Brennan Cox

36

Brennan Cox

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

143- Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

32

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

174.6

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

228.6

3star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.0

3star

140- Anthony Caminiti
130- Tom Barrass

37

Tom Barrass

Age

30

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

128- Mark Keane (AA squad)
122- Jacob Weitering

23

Jacob Weitering

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

4.7

3star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.3

3star

MG

189.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

16.8

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

0.8

3star

MG

263.4

4star

112- Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

(AA)
108- Sam Collins (AA squad)
105- Aliir Aliir

21

Aliir Aliir

Age

31

Ht

194cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.2

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.9

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

240.9

4star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

158.4

3star

92- Tom McCartin

30

Tom Mccartin

Age

25

Ht

194cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

129.5

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

0.8

1star

MG

87.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

168.0

3star

90- Cal Wilkie
85- Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

33

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

82- Josh Worrell (AA squad)
66- Josh Battle

24

Josh Battle

Age

27

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

(AA team)
56- Alex Pearce

25

Alex Pearce

Age

30

Ht

201cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

106.3

2star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

MG

103.2

2star

I think all those guys except for Lobb, Andrew and Hammer were either in the AA team or squad this year, or have previously made an AA team, yet a 21yo Hammer was 6th in the AFL for spoils this year. And presumably would have finished 3rd, had he played back all year.

Remind me again why we’d want to replace him with an older import, who’s best attribute also seems to be spoiling!

Especially when Hammer was also top 50 in the AFL for intercept marks and took more of them than AA Battle.

If you’ve got a 21yo doing that off one full preseason at most under his belt you’d surely want to be upgrading him to someone who’s CLEARLY better, not someone who might not even currently be as good, despite being older!

 

[The Cobra]

Surely sanity prevails. I didn’t see the need for Aleer when we had Wilkie, Caminiti and Tauru- with Howard another option, with us having just spent a valuable pick in a strong draft on Barrat, and with Keeler showing he can play down back if needed- so why in the wide world we’d feel the need to get him now that we have SOSOS as well is just bewildering to me.

He doesn’t seem any better than Caminiti (who’s barely done an AFL preseason) now, yet Hammer is still just a baby in AFL key position terms, so surely he takes big steps forward over the next two years. Which could make him much better than Aleer is now, when he’s the age Aleer is now.

Agree with all that - but just noting RTB has said a number of times he would really prefer to play Caminiti forward but has been forced to play him back as we are very short down there without Howard.

Anyway good experience for Caminiti knowing he can play both ends

 

[littlecreatures]

Aleer is 24 y.o now, potential was there, not seeing it now.

Agree, moments where he looked like he was lost and ball watching. I’d go Blight and Jiath instead, with Tauru realistically doing what Aleer can do, if not better already

 

[Saints43]

I'll pass on Aleer if I'm honest - however, I wouldn't mind there being some substance regarding the C Jiath sighting at RSEA.

I watched a game at the G where Jaith was monstered by Bad Hill.

 

[projectv]

Tauru > Aleer at this point.

Unless they want to play Tauru forward in 2026, I am really not sure why we are still into Aleer.

 

[Saints43]

I just hope he's pretty much checked out knowing he's Saints bound??

He's playing in a final!

 

[The Boar]

Like all trades- Aleer is a question of cost.
Low trade cost, low salary is a YES.
Anything else is a NO.

JSOS gives us a really good opportunity to tap out of any negotiations not to our liking.

Aleer looks a bit lost at sea.

 

[aussierulesrules]

That last stat!

 

[Mr Clunk]

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That last stat!

Tbh I thought it'd be worse going off the ol eye test

 

[mighty_sainters]

Whether it plays out like this again or not, Lyon took a 24 year old 12 gamer Zac Dawson

Zac Dawson

Age

39

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

34.4

1star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

and turned him into a pretty reliable defender.

Arguably same with Caminiti recently.

If Ross thinks Aleer is worth chasing I’ll back it in, Howard probably has one season left and Wilkie and JSOS are in the later parts of their career.

Considering we have absolutely failed to draft and develop any key defenders in the past 12/13 years, it may just be worth the gamble.

 

[OxSaint]

I know we are not after a tall forward, but Chol is really good player.. is athletic, tough and has plenty of skill and composure.. Aleer is only athletic that’s all.

That’s the same commentary Chol had at his two previous clubs. Hawks have been able to get the best out of him.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Agree with all that - but just noting RTB has said a number of times he would really prefer to play Caminiti forward but has been forced to play him back as we are very short down there without Howard.

Anyway good experience for Caminiti knowing he can play both ends

Fair enough, although if we’ve got Max, Sharman, Owens and possibly Roma up front, there’s no room for either Hammer, or Keeler (or Tauru, if we wanted to play him there) up there.

I guess if he’s cheap enough to get him to be a depth option it would make sense, as we need more guys in that age range, but if we’re paying him “best 22 rates”, I’d find it very hard to make a strong argument for it.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Interestingly, his main opponent was subbed off today (Dear), so I wonder if that was because of Aleer doing a good job, or just him being off the boil.

 

[billings2paddy]

Like all trades- Aleer is a question of cost.
Low trade cost, low salary is a YES.
Anything else is a NO.

JSOS gives us a really good opportunity to tap out of any negotiations not to our liking.

Aleer looks a bit lost at sea

And we have Barrat

 

[aussierulesrules]

Tauru > Aleer at this point.

Unless they want to play Tauru forward in 2026, I am really not sure why we are still into Aleer.

Might we be considering playing all 4 of Wilkie, SOSOS, Aleer/Caminiti and Tauru in the same backline?

Like Hawthorn with Barrass, Battle, Sicily and Scrimshaw?

Or like we used to have with Dawson, Fisher, Blake and Gilbert?

I imagine we’d love to be able to free Wilkie up to play more of a Sicily/Tom Stewart type role. And Tauru to play the 3rd-tall intercepting role.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Rather have Aleer doing his best GOP impersonation in defence if it means Caminiti can play forward and banish the spectre of having to watch us play week after week with a humungus gaping chasm of a hole in the fwd line because King can't get on the park.

 

[Minga]

Aleer is 24 y.o now, potential was there, not seeing it now.

The potential is still there. I’m sitting down to watch Freo Suns rn, and Ben Long is a good example of how some players can really bloom late, he’s 28.

I’m sure there are many other better examples (mighty_sainters gave Zac Dawson as an example) but a change of scenery, system and coaches can have an impact.

I think the potential is there for all to see, whether or not it actualises is another thing all together that most of us are carefully dubious of

 

[aussierulesrules]

Rather have Aleer doing his best GOP impersonation in defence if it means Caminiti can play forward and banish the spectre of having to watch us play week after week with a humungus gaping chasm of a hole in the fwd line because King can't get on the park.

With the rate that Keeler improved with each patch of senior footy he played hopefully he’ll be a serious forward/ruck option next season, with Dodson potentially being another, if Ro goes.