Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXIX

[Y Goat]

I’d pay him (Butters) and Walsh, with something built in about performance and playing enough games, both about 1.2 each, and let’s go forward as a team together with these 2 young gun midfielders as the centrepoint leaders of the next few years and go hard for contending & flag. Build the team around these guys

(Edited): the idea is group buy in for success with accepting reasonable coin, not getting into the overpaying like the saints

 

[Coops93]

More beards
Black boots.
Pull ya ****ing sock ups

My favourite thing about Touk Miller is his black boot, socks up, jumper tucked in approach to football.

He does occasionally wear other coloured boots, but his main go to is black.

 

[The Bighouse]

Would people be prepared to pay Butters 2 mill/year? Cause that’s what he’ll want

Opposed to these type of figures, prefer a more balanced approach with LM / SC but unfortunately the dam wall has been broken and will be hard to settle back without overpaying players to jump ship (and retain).

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Are we really that far away?

Our biggest issue is between our ears...

Yes, we are...

The loss of TDK + Jack + Lij as well as some depth with Doc, Cinc and Fanta... plus chance to lose Charlie as well...

Our senior core group are in decline with age. I don't want to hear any of this "but Collingwood" nonsense... this core group isn't going to suddenly improve in their 30's... Pies players already played in flags, they are better footballers. End of.

Saad, Newman, Haynes, Hewett, Cripps, Acres, Williams, Gov all will struggle more often than not.

Pitto as main ruck... potentially Reidy as back up? come on...

Harry has never played a full season. It's not a matter of if he goes down, but when. Should we lose Charlie... our forward line will be the worst in the comp.

Constantly rotating these inept forwards: Motlop + Williams + Fogarty + White + Evans + Durdin is not anywhere near good enough. (yeah I know Evans let's see how he goes next year)

Sure, we will add a bit this off season, but we're not linked to any needle movers.. Buku, Petch, Chesser, Rosas etc. all fringe players.

Our midfield can't kick i50... they are just incapable of hitting targets... Cerra was one of the worst offenders this year and he's supposed to be one of our best kicks...

Our mids and forwards are coached by Clarke and Russell still as it stands...

Can't expect Jagga in his first year to change the midfield dynamic... the core will still be Cripps, Hewett, Cerra and Walsh. One dimensional and one paced that can't kick i50, can't run defensively, have no clue how to setup d50 stoppages, stagnant when our half backs have the ball, can't run and carry, can't hit targets, handball to the boots of team mates etc.

 

[Coops93]

Lots of talk about what we can get out of the Suns, but really, has there been any indication whatsoever that the Suns are even interested? The rumours are the Charlie wants the Suns and that Carlton might be interested in Walter, but nothing at all suggesting the Suns want Charlie - if anything it's been that the Suns aren't really all that interested in him. I'm not convinced Walter wants out, either. I imagine he'd be frustrated at not being picked, he's a competitive beast, but he's only ever spoken glowingly about the Suns and wanting to be a face of the Suns academy.

The other issue is, why would anyone actually want to leave the Suns for Carlton right now? Have you seen the vibe in that group the past 2 weeks? They have a great coach, excellent on field leadership and are actually winning games playing an exciting brand with real connection.

I think when it comes to GC at least, we don't have as much leverage as we think - if any at all. I think we're better of looking at Sydney for anything realistic.

 

[ferrisb]

Butters is better now than NWM. Port are trading him before he hits FA. Why would he not be asking for terms that match his? TDK would be the minimum imo.

TDK is different as his FA status means you can pay more $ as you're not giving up draft capital

NWM is a unique contract, and I don't think it's a true benchmark for the competition. He was OOC, had full leverage and the club couldn't afford for its only elite talent to leave. Short-term contract too, so he extracted maximum $. Don't think he would be on $2M a season if he'd signed for several years.

All IMHO.

 

[Mezzoculo]

Yes, we are...

The loss of TDK + Jack + Lij as well as some depth with Doc, Cinc and Fanta... plus chance to lose Charlie as well...

Our senior core group are in decline with age. I don't want to hear any of this "but Collingwood" nonsense... this core group isn't going to suddenly improve in their 30's... Pies players already played in flags, they are better footballers. End of.

Saad, Newman, Haynes, Hewett, Cripps, Acres, Williams, Gov all will struggle more often than not.

Pitto as main ruck... potentially Reidy as back up? come on...

Harry has never played a full season. It's not a matter of if he goes down, but when. Should we lose Charlie... our forward line will be the worst in the comp.

Constantly rotating these inept forwards: Motlop + Williams + Fogarty + White + Evans + Durdin is not anywhere near good enough. (yeah I know Evans let's see how he goes next year)

Sure, we will add a bit this off season, but we're not linked to any needle movers.. Buku, Petch, Chesser, Rosas etc. all fringe players.

Our midfield can't kick i50... they are just incapable of hitting targets... Cerra was one of the worst offenders this year and he's supposed to be one of our best kicks...

Our mids and forwards are coached by Clarke and Russell still as it stands...

Can't expect Jagga in his first year to change the midfield dynamic... the core will still be Cripps, Hewett, Cerra and Walsh. One dimensional and one paced that can't kick i50, can't run defensively, have no clue how to setup d50 stoppages, stagnant when our half backs have the ball, can't run and carry, can't hit targets, handball to the boots of team mates etc.

 

[Stamos]

Lots of talk about what we can get out of the Suns, but really, has there been any indication whatsoever that the Suns are even interested? The rumours are the Charlie wants the Suns and that Carlton might be interested in Walter, but nothing at all suggesting the Suns want Charlie - if anything it's been that the Suns aren't really all that interested in him. I'm not convinced Walter wants out, either. I imagine he'd be frustrated at not being picked, he's a competitive beast, but he's only ever spoken glowingly about the Suns and wanting to be a face of the Suns academy.

The other issue is, why would anyone actually want to leave the Suns for Carlton right now? Have you seen the vibe in that group the past 2 weeks? They have a great coach, excellent on field leadership and are actually winning games playing an exciting brand with real connection.

I think when it comes to GC at least, we don't have as much leverage as we think - if any at all. I think we're better of looking at Sydney for anything realistic.

Agree, except for the last bit.
I don't think anyone will offer anything realistic.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Agree, except for the last bit.
I don't think anyone will offer anything realistic.

Will be interested to see if CSM come to this conclusion and get Charlie to swear allegiance to the monogram, or if they'll double down on trying to get him out

 

[Coops93]

Agree, except for the last bit.
I don't think anyone will offer anything realistic.

Sydney may at least try and come to the party on some deal, whether it meets the mark or not is the issue. I dont think the Suns will even have a serious discussion about it.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Sydney may at least try and come to the party on some deal, whether it meets the mark or not is the issue. I dont think the Suns will even have a serious discussion about it.

It's interesting in that the afls tightening of academy picks actually restricts some of the bigger trades. No doubt with academies remaining cheap Sydney would be waaaay happier to pay overs for a Charlie and back in the academy to make up for the lost capital.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

 

[Stamos]

It's interesting in that the afls tightening of academy picks actually restricts some of the bigger trades.

Which is why calls for restrictions for matching FS/Academy bids beyond a tightened DVI are off base.

 

[GoBlues!]

Lots of talk about what we can get out of the Suns, but really, has there been any indication whatsoever that the Suns are even interested? The rumours are the Charlie wants the Suns and that Carlton might be interested in Walter, but nothing at all suggesting the Suns want Charlie - if anything it's been that the Suns aren't really all that interested in him. I'm not convinced Walter wants out, either. I imagine he'd be frustrated at not being picked, he's a competitive beast, but he's only ever spoken glowingly about the Suns and wanting to be a face of the Suns academy.

The other issue is, why would anyone actually want to leave the Suns for Carlton right now? Have you seen the vibe in that group the past 2 weeks? They have a great coach, excellent on field leadership and are actually winning games playing an exciting brand with real connection.

I think when it comes to GC at least, we don't have as much leverage as we think - if any at all. I think we're better of looking at Sydney for anything realistic.

I think the Suns have more to offer and ability to give up than Sydney do to make a deal happen.

The reason Suns may be quiet is that they’re in the middle of finals atm, no point in getting the players distracted at this early stage.

Whether Walter wants out or not reminds me a bit of a 21 yo Josh Kennedy not keen to leave, does that really matter? It may carry some weight but if the Suns really want CC who knows, it’s all speculation.

 

[AndyNicka]

Injury prone ex first rounder who’s yet to hit his straps? Yep sounds like a Carlton pick

 

[morningbrown]

Chesser did not impress me at all when I watched Eagles games. Concerned about some of the recruiting decisions already this off-season (Reidy is terrible).

 

[Matty411]

Good low-cost addition. Right age, talent and - get his body right - could be a good Acres replacement.

 

[Coops93]

I think the Suns have more to offer and ability to give up than Sydney do to make a deal happen.

The reason Suns may be quiet is that they’re in the middle of finals atm, no point in getting the players distracted at this early stage.

Whether Walter wants out or not reminds me a bit of a 21 yo Josh Kennedy not keen to leave, does that really matter? It may carry some weight but if the Suns really want CC who knows, it’s all speculation.

I'm not sure they do. They won't want to trade picks given Zeke the freak will attract a pick 1 or 2 bid and Patterson likely around pick 5, so with the tightening of points they'll be holding onto picks. Walter really is the only option, provided he does actually want out (which I don't believe he does) - unless they get indication King won't extend beyond next season, in which case he'd be tradeable. Aside from that, in terms of players of value, I don't think any would want to leave or the Suns would ask to.

 

[CarmenSandiego]

Chesser did not impress me at all when I watched Eagles games. Concerned about some of the recruiting decisions already this off-season (Reidy is terrible).

I haven't watched him but maybe going for attitude & culture fit first and foremost vs. talented. We've done nothing but the latter in recent years and it's gotten us nowhere.

Regardless of the messaging coming out of the club, this is a rebuild (albeit not from the ground up).

 

[DangerousD]

Classic Murdoch media strategy.

While there's never a sure thing, drafts classes have been performing well from 2021 onwards, even if they haven't always had a genuinely elite group at the top.

This is definitely a draft where aside from the Queensland academy trio you're not really getting that elite group, but the next tier are there in good number. Happy to take two bites at that group, and hopefully Dean slides out of top 10-14 calculations.

Lots to play out there still, with Dean having probably the same talent level as Kalani White, just realising it a little better at this stage, but that can easily change over the course of a pre-season. Hopefully recruiters are paying close attention and ease off from the prospect of forcing us to trade picks in that 5-15 range (once you factor in FA compensation and academy bids).

I'd look strongly at 6 and Walter, maybe another player on the fringes, but some of it would come down to where Walter's fitness and drive are at. They haven't looked great lately.

Because they're fostering talent in a state that's struggled for it for a long time, but the discount has been adjusted and can be adjusted again.

As things stand, there's a very real chance they miss out on one of their top 3 academy graduates this year, but I'm not across their 2026 and 2027 prospects and how willing they are to part with a future first to give themselves more points this year.

Why would they miss on any of their academy players? They have 3 first round picks, one of them is pick 6

 

[DangerousD]

This is another year to hit the draft for mine, particularly if Charlie wants to leave. We will have the draft capital to do so.
We are currently looking at pick 9, which is likely to become #11 or #12 and an end of first round pick.

If Charlie leaves, it will most likely be to Sydney, you can just smell it. Likely becomes their first rounder and some steak knives, perhaps a 2026 first as well. They will want capital to cover their academy prospects as well though. It would become a balancing act. They have Max King, Lachlan Carmichael and Noah Chamberlain who are probably second and third rounders.

We aren’t getting Gulden no matter how much we (wet) dream. Names like McInerney, Campbell, Roberts and Bice, all arguably elite ball users come to mind or perhaps Jesse Dattoli, a small forward/mid we were linked to last draft and has seen senior action already. If we are to accept steak knives then their first and future first rounders have to be on the table.

If Curnow wants success, perhaps Gold Coast does enter the conversation. They have two, possibly three first round academy boys to match this year Uwland and Patterson are top ten material and Addinson in the mix for first round. The first rounders they have acquired are pretty much spoken for. Players would have to be on the table. Geelong the other mooted destination surely do not have enough draft capital to interest us. I won’t say it couldn’t be done, but there would need to be some imagination used.

I like the idea of hitting the draft, even if it’s 10-15 and I think Charlie will go, but I think your rating is off considering the picks Sydney will have to offer.

I agree that Gulden and their big players are out, but their 1st pick this year 11-13 and next year I’d expect it to be worse, meaning the players coming need to be better. Campbell, Robert’s, Hayward, Florent at a minimum.

I think GC have a much better chance at getting the deal done and could offer us better picks and better players.

I will be pissed if we trade Charlie without getting 1-2 decent players back, we have Loveridge here and shouldn’t waste it.

 

[Matty411]

So, Gov has up to four suitors based on the Trade Update yesterday... stupid to cut him but what does he go for?

If we can somehow nab a 2nd round of any type (even third), we take it and move on.

Big watch.

 

[DangerousD]

I'm not sure they do. They won't want to trade picks given Zeke the freak will attract a pick 1 or 2 bid and Patterson likely around pick 5, so with the tightening of points they'll be holding onto picks. Walter really is the only option, provided he does actually want out (which I don't believe he does) - unless they get indication King won't extend beyond next season, in which case he'd be tradeable. Aside from that, in terms of players of value, I don't think any would want to leave or the Suns would ask to.

There’s always players who might want to return home, Flanders, Ainsworth, Humphrey, they have other players who are quality, Powell, Collins, that other defender who’s name I forget.

Players don’t tend to stick around if they’re asked to go.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Lots of talk about what we can get out of the Suns, but really, has there been any indication whatsoever that the Suns are even interested? The rumours are the Charlie wants the Suns and that Carlton might be interested in Walter, but nothing at all suggesting the Suns want Charlie - if anything it's been that the Suns aren't really all that interested in him. I'm not convinced Walter wants out, either. I imagine he'd be frustrated at not being picked, he's a competitive beast, but he's only ever spoken glowingly about the Suns and wanting to be a face of the Suns academy.

The other issue is, why would anyone actually want to leave the Suns for Carlton right now? Have you seen the vibe in that group the past 2 weeks? They have a great coach, excellent on field leadership and are actually winning games playing an exciting brand with real connection.

I think when it comes to GC at least, we don't have as much leverage as we think - if any at all. I think we're better of looking at Sydney for anything realistic.

I also love this idea that Walter is the key to the deal - he isn't even in the Suns best 23 ATM

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Chesser for hardly anything as a fringe player (at worst) is a frugal get

Costs us less than a draftee and will be ready to play round one as far as fitness is concerned + senior footy exposure

I dunno, not gonna move the needle but means we can invest in players via F/A and trades a little more freely