Recommitted Sam Butler [Re-Signed to 2027]

[amazingjoshy]

Good bit of targeted recruiting by WC if (big IF) it comes off.

Will suit McQualters style and will get all the opportunity in the world to play whatever role he basically likes. And no way Hawks can match whatever cash is on offer

If we can convince him to come (this is the part I have massive doubts over) not sure the Hawks hold much, if any, leverage at all in this one

 

[MasterSamurai]

Good bit of targeted recruiting by WC if (big IF) it comes off.

Will suit McQualters style and will get all the opportunity in the world to play whatever role he basically likes. And no way Hawks can match whatever cash is on offer

If we can convince him to come (this is the part I have massive doubts over) not sure the Hawks hold much, if any, leverage at all in this one

I don't think Hawthorn would be the only problem though. Now, I really rate this kid, seemed to be not overawed by the big stage and will be a player, no doubt, but not sure how true it is but another club may entertain offering a contract soon. But, I reckon, if he was to leave , then eagles. DOES make a sense. He's only 22, plenty of time for the eagles to rise up the ladder, plenty of time, so a solid four year deal would be fantastic for the young man knowing he'll have Yeo there to help him out and play alongside Harley. Honestly, want this kid to be given the chance to make it, probably too hard at Hawthorn going frwd so, I don't think hawks are gonna make it hard at all.
As I said, just watch out on another club, I may find out more soon.

 

[bzparkes]

I don't think Hawthorn would be the only problem though. Now, I really rate this kid, seemed to be not overawed by the big stage and will be a player, no doubt, but not sure how true it is but another club may entertain offering a contract soon. But, I reckon, if he was to leave , then eagles. DOES make a sense. He's only 22, plenty of time for the eagles to rise up the ladder, plenty of time, so a solid four year deal would be fantastic for the young man knowing he'll have Yeo there to help him out and play alongside Harley. Honestly, want this kid to be given the chance to make it, probably too hard at Hawthorn going frwd so, I don't think hawks are gonna make it hard at all.
As I said, just watch out on another club, I may find out more soon.

Wasn't Richmond sniffing around?

 

[MasterSamurai]

Wasn't Richmond sniffing around?

Not sure yet. I'll see if I can get more information on this.

 

[Shueygod]

I don’t think anyone in their right mind would trade butler for chesser, therein lies the difference between their values. Can’t see him leaving after breaking into the team anyway. Especially after we nursed him through that horrific injury

I’m assuming you’re rating the bloke that was a higher pick and better performed this season higher?

If anything Chesser has more value.

 

[Burtman]

I’m assuming you’re rating the bloke that was a higher pick and better performed this season higher?

If anything Chesser has more value.

Better performed? Up until round 20 he was getting delisted. Probably isn’t on a list in a couple more years. Butlers clearly worth more, you’d be about the only person who doesn’t believe that

 

[Shueygod]

Better performed? Up until round 20 he was getting delisted. Probably isn’t on a list in a couple more years. Butlers clearly worth more, you’d be about the only person who doesn’t believe that

Check their statistics this season, Chesser clearly had the better year on paper. up until round 20 he’d been consistently injured throughout his career (like butler).

He proceeded to come back and had the best 4 weeks at afl level between the two, averaging more playing rating, SuperCoach, disposals, metres gained, marks, clearances, same goals, higher percentage of score involvements, far better kick in a worse side.

As well as being a higher pick.

So Chesser has better recent performance
Was a higher pick
Both have injuries as an excuse for previous seasons.

What could possibly make Butler more valuable bar being a Hawk?

 

[Shueygod]

West Coast and Hawthorn negotiations:

Hawthorn: He’s 22 and played exceptionally well in finals, including 26 and 2 in the semi. He’s best 22 in a team with strong depth and we expect 10+ years of service out of him

West Coast: But he was subbed out on the weekend!

He had 15 and 2, a far cry from 26.

 

[Burtman]

Check their statistics this season, Chesser clearly had the better year on paper. up until round 20 he’d been consistently injured throughout his career (like butler).

He proceeded to come back and had the best 4 weeks at afl level between the two, averaging more playing rating, SuperCoach, disposals, metres gained, marks, clearances, same goals, higher percentage of score involvements, far better kick in a worse side.

As well as being a higher pick.

So Chesser has better recent performance
Was a higher pick
Both have injuries as an excuse for previous seasons.

What could possibly make Butler more valuable bar being a Hawk?

The fact that butler was getting a game for us and not the eagles. He played mainly as a small forward with us, if he played with you he plays 22 games in the midfield and blitzes chesser. Once again you’ll be the only person who thinks chesser is better and worth more. Would love to hear from some neutrals

 

[Shueygod]

The fact that butler was getting a game for us and not the eagles. He played mainly as a small forward with us, if he played with you he plays 22 games in the midfield and blitzes chesser. Once again you’ll be the only person who thinks chesser is better and worth more. Would love to hear from some neutrals

Hahahahahaha, “the fact that butler was a hawk”.

Averaging 0.5 goals as a small forward in the mighty hawks isn’t exactly great. You also understand that Chesser also would have played 22 games in the middle/wing this season if he was uninjured? Instead of coming back from 3/4 of a year long injury to average similar stats to Dambrosio.

Given Chesser is an outside mid you could argue if he played for a good team and not the eagles he’d “blitz” Butler even more. Look at the improvement in Dambrosio post Essendon.

Trade value is based on actual production, not ifs, hence why both Chesser and Butler unfortunately have limited value.

Butlers actually had a better run with injury than Chesser 63 games at all levels vs 50 since drafted, suggesting Chess has more improvement in his game through continuity than Butler despite already performing better.

Do you have anything bar a hypothetical on how Butler would perform at the eagles to suggest he should be worth more?

Again considering Chesser performed better at AFL level this year in a shit team, was a higher pick, has a better injury excuse for afl performance over their careers?

Because from a pure statistical viewpoint it’s:

Production: Chesser
Potential: Chesser
Being the 22nd-25th best player on a team that finished 8th on the ladder: Butler

 

[txbyhull]

The fact that butler was getting a game for us and not the eagles. He played mainly as a small forward with us, if he played with you he plays 22 games in the midfield and blitzes chesser. Once again you’ll be the only person who thinks chesser is better and worth more. Would love to hear from some neutrals

I hate hate hate to be that guy but let’s not pretend like he’s a main cba mid for the eagles either. (Huge if here) If we are healthy he’s got at least 4 or 5 guys ahead of him. Would take him at least a month or two of good footy to get into the main mix. Harley, Yeo, Hewett, Kelly, and Graham/Baker rolling through would all be ahead of him but I’d love to see someone just like him break that mold sooner rather than later next season

 

[Shueygod]

Burtman

Even taking Chesser out of the equation, why would Butler be worth more than pick 9 Liam Henry, who in his 4th season with the dockers played 16 games for a team that finished 9th on the ladder averaging 20 disposals?

Henry was traded for a future pick 34 fwiw.

Lipinski another example, he was traded for a pick in the 40s.

Based on that Hawks should feel very lucky to get their second back.

Can you find me a single player that’s produced less in 4 years, that got traded for a pick within 30?

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Have to convince him to stay, is certainly worth more to us than his value would be on the market.

 

[Burtman]

Burtman

Even taking Chesser out of the equation, why would Butler be worth more than pick 9 Liam Henry, who in his 4th season with the dockers played 16 games for a team that finished 9th on the ladder averaging 20 disposals?

Henry was traded for a future pick 34 fwiw.

Lipinski another example, he was traded for a pick in the 40s.

Based on that Hawks should feel very lucky to get their second back.

Can you find me a single player that’s produced less in 4 years, that got traded for a pick within 30?

I’ve never argued that butler should be worth a first, just that he’s a better player and more valuable than chesser. Our second would be slight unders but obviously that’s all you’ve got and we’d probably just have to accept it.

 

[HairyO]

Small forward is a tough role. Wonder whether Brockman would be saying to come over or stay away.

 

[Hawks_Footy]

If it's a 5yr deal on the table from the Eagles i understand the security but anything less I think he's better off to back himself in at the hawks on a 2/3yr deal.. trade value is next to nothing if he leaves

 

[Hasselhough]

If it's a 5yr deal on the table from the Eagles i understand the security but anything less I think he's better off to back himself in at the hawks on a 2/3yr deal.. trade value is next to nothing if he leaves

Hasn't it been said it's 3 year deal with a forth year trigger on cals podcast thingy

 

[Lia]

I’ve never argued that butler should be worth a first, just that he’s a better player and more valuable than chesser. Our second would be slight unders but obviously that’s all you’ve got and we’d probably just have to accept it.

They're about the same. Both have worked through some significant injury issues to show some great signs late in the year.

 

[Burtman]

They're about the same. Both have worked through some significant injury issues to show some great signs late in the year.

You might think that, but as I said earlier, we wouldn’t trade butler for chesser but west coast snatch that deal before it hits the table. That shows you who’s more valuable.

 

[Hasselhough]

You might think that, but as I said earlier, we wouldn’t trade butler for chesser but west coast snatch that deal before it hits the table. That shows you who’s more valuable.

Sure we would take that now but before chesser asked for a trade i don't think that is true .

Most wce supporters would be happy to keep chesser .

Cal twomey said 6 weeks ago butler hadn't been offered a contract by hawks yet

 

[HeHateMe]

Sure we would take that now but before chesser asked for a trade i don't think that is true .

Most wce supporters would be happy to keep chesser .

Cal twomey said 6 weeks ago butler hadn't been offered a contract by hawks yet

His body just wasn't backing up after big games, but then he put some form together again and got back into the side and did what he did on the lead up and during finals.

That goes along way to addressing the major concern. Was it too late I'm not to sure but I'd suspect the clubs more open to a few years extension now.

 

[Hasselhough]

His body just wasn't backing up after big games, but then he put some form together again and got back into the side and did what he did on the lead up and during finals.

That goes along way to addressing the major concern. Was it too late I'm not to sure but I'd suspect the clubs more open to a few years extension now.

Doesn't take away from the fact that up until 6 weeks ago butler hadn't been offered a contract.

Any good manager would be assessing his options when facing not getting a contract.

From what I have heard Baker and Graham are good friends with both the butler brothers and have probably been in his ear about a fresh start

 

[Shueygod]

You might think that, but as I said earlier, we wouldn’t trade butler for chesser but west coast snatch that deal before it hits the table. That shows you who’s more valuable.

This just isn’t based in reality though, reeks of some one that didn’t watch Chesser the last 4 weeks.

One player is not worth significantly more than the other.

 

[bzparkes]

You might think that, but as I said earlier, we wouldn’t trade butler for chesser but west coast snatch that deal before it hits the table. That shows you who’s more valuable.

Pre trade request no, we wouldn't.

Most are disappointed he's leaving, after he finally got over injury and played well in a position we are desperate for young talent in.

 

[txbyhull]

You might think that, but as I said earlier, we wouldn’t trade butler for chesser but west coast snatch that deal before it hits the table. That shows you who’s more valuable.

Silly thing to say. If you asked that same question from round 20-24 it would be the other way. Both players did basically f a for a career until the last month of their seasons. Their values are pretty equal, and that’s an early third at most. Pre trade request I’d value Chesser higher