AFL considering interstate grand finals

[Black Panther]

Victoria is broke so where will the AFL/MCC get the money from?

Jacinta already swiped the credit card earlier this week to the tune of $1 billion and the MCC is rolling in money

Money ain't an issue

 

[Senor M]

They won't cancel anything - they'll work through a compromise that will 'benefit' everyone (psssttt...that means MONEY).

Ridiculously long term deals are very unlikely to reflect market value by the end of their life - for the sake of good business, they'll work out a way that everyone gets a slice of the additional money that can be generated.

How much do you think it will cost to convince the Victorian government to "compromise"?

The Victorian government won't just "compromise" because some Western Australian based supporters on BigFooty ask them to nicely. If you think that's case, you know nothing about Victorian state politics

 

[Crankyhawk]

Build a 105,000 stadium and you'll have a solid argument. Not until then.

Tv game and without the mcc and afl members sucking up entry I think 65-70k is enough

 

[BigVic]

The 2003-04 Grand Finals drew 75-77K at a capacity-reduced MCG due to renovations

 

[Altum Volantes]

How much do you think it will cost to convince the Victorian government to "compromise"?

The Victorian government won't just "compromise" because some Western Australian based supporters on BigFooty ask them to nicely. If you think that's case, you know nothing about Victorian state politics

Look...if your that close minded to the prospect of deals being revisited and mutually beneficial compromises being agreed to I would imagine you are also probably not on board with the prospect of rotating the venue 'BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CONTRACT!!!1', so I get the feeling that I may end up screaming into the abyss with further common sense suggestions.

 

[Billy ray]

will the states where these are held get public holidays on the friday?

shit today that they schedule AFLW games with teams where there are not public holidays being held

 

[Xtreme]

Even Brisbane is getting a 63,000 seat stadium by 2032 and could host the GF if it's ready by 2031 as a curtain-raiser to the Olympics the following year.

Psssshhhhhh grand finals should only be held at 100,000 seat venues or nowhere!

 

[Scotland]

So the AFL will cancel a contract with one state government to take money from another state government?

The AFL will do no such thing.

They will "move" the GF while the MCG is being redeveloped, pocket a bunch of money from another state govt then justify extending the contract with the MCC another 20 or 30 years.

The second biggest oval in the country holds 60,000 and the AFL has a long term contract with the MCC. The GF is going nowhere, though I agree with James Brayshaw's idea that rotating it every 4th or 5th year would've been a good idea. Non-Vic teams "hosting" it is a dumb idea.

 

[schneebly111]

Every second year the Grand Final should be held away from the MCG. Rotate it through other states.

It's a national competition.

An 8 year rotation. Recognising it’s an national competition but with a foundation in Melbourne.

1st Year MCG
2 Adelaide Oval
3 MCG
4 Perth Stadium
5 MCG
6 Sydney Stadium Australia
7 MCG
8 New Brisbane Olympic Staidum

 

[Senor M]

Look...if your that close minded to the prospect of deals being revisited and mutually beneficial compromises being agreed to I would imagine you are also probably not on board with the prospect of rotating the venue 'BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CONTRACT!!!1', so I get the feeling that I may end up screaming into the abyss with further common sense suggestions.

Firstly--- if you're incapable of using the correct homophone in your written expression, then it is unlikely that you're capable of expressing your argument clearly, mate.

Secondly--- I didn't say that I was unable to acknowledge the prospect of a deal being renegotiated, I just asked the question of how much you believe it would cost to renegotiate.

The Victorian state government isn't going to allow the AFL out of the contract without getting something in return; as seen by the extension of the existing Grand Final contract in 2020/2021.

If you're unable to look at this situation logically, then you're welcome to whinge, but your whinging won't change the situation, mate.

 

[Altum Volantes]

An 8 year rotation. Recognising it’s an national competition but with a foundation in Melbourne.

1st Year MCG
2 Adelaide Oval
3 MCG
4 Perth Stadium
5 MCG
6 Sydney Stadium Australia
7 MCG
8 New Brisbane Olympic Staidum

Nah make those sports hating elitists in Sydney actually build a high quality oval venue rather than pretending that the crap they have is good enough.

 

[joe444]

Highest-attended Grand Final was 55 years ago. They're just knocking down the Shane Warne Stand only to add just 5,000 additional seats to it which is the same size as Camp Nou in Barcelona.

Yes. Your point?

 

[Senor M]

The AFL will do no such thing.

They will "move" the GF while the MCG is being redeveloped, pocket a bunch of money from another state govt then justify extending the contract with the MCC another 20 or 30 years.

The second biggest oval in the country holds 60,000 and the AFL has a long term contract with the MCC. The GF is going nowhere, though I agree with James Brayshaw's idea that rotating it every 4th or 5th year would've been a good idea. Non-Vic teams "hosting" it is a dumb idea.

Can you repeat this louder so that the other Eagles supporters might understand

 

[speedpeck23]

Don't worry about shifting the Grand Final....just play some Giants and Suns away matches at SCG and GABBA against Victorian clubs.....instead of bringing them to Melbourne.... first grow the game a bit more

 

[schneebly111]

The second biggest oval in the country holds 60,000

Stadium Oz (Accor) holds 81,000 when in oval configuration.

Non-Vic teams "hosting" it is a dumb idea.

But cities isn’t. We now have 2 teams in every major city (Bris and GC one urban area). Gather round proved a football “festival” outside of Melbourne works and the same could be done with the GF, give it a 2 week break from the prelims, host the Brownlow, carnivals, other matches.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

It should be a home game for which ever team qualifies/earns it. If it's interstate so be it. It's a national competition.

 

[Scotland]

Can you repeat this louder so that the other Eagles supporters might understand

I would love to have hosted the 2015 and 2018 GF. I think we earned it.

But the logistics don't work if you want the GF to be a pre planned event. Which doesn't really bother me as I don't care about MCC members, AFL members, Snoop Dogg etc. but you can't plan for 20,000 MCC members and then a week later decide the game is in Perth or Adelaide or wherever.

The reality is if the AFL decide the GF isn't going to be at the MCG every year forever that the venue will be determined well ahead of time. Like the Super Bowl or UEFA Champions League final etc. Can't see it happening any time soon.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Nah, Mars stadium is available while the MCG upgrades

 

[Scotland]

Stadium Oz (Accor) holds 81,000 when in oval configuration.

Bit of a stretch to call it an oval.

But cities isn’t. We now have 2 teams in every major city (Bris and GC one urban area). Gather round proved a football “festival” outside of Melbourne works and the same could be done with the GF, give it a 2 week break from the prelims, host the Brownlow, carnivals, other matches.

Two weeks between the prelims and the GF is a terrible idea. I don't know why people keep pushing it.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Firstly--- if you're incapable of using the correct homophone in your written expression, then it is unlikely that you're capable of expressing your argument clearly, mate.

Secondly--- I didn't say that I was unable to acknowledge the prospect of a deal being renegotiated, I just asked the question of how much you believe it would cost to renegotiate.

The Victorian state government isn't going to allow the AFL out of the contract without getting something in return; as seen by the extension of the existing Grand Final contract in 2020/2021.

If you're unable to look at this situation logically, then you're welcome to whinge, but your whinging won't change the situation, mate.

Ok let's wind it back - apologies as I was unnecessarily snippy.

Your reference to the extension is very valid - I suggest any compromise would take the form of extending the deal to factor in every 3rd GF (or whatever they come up with) being moved...along with a slice of the money generated by other states essentially paying for the opportunity to host the event.

In short, they would work out a way to ensure the MCC contract was honoured, that they had the opportunity to generate more money by rotating the venue and that the MCC were happy with this as they shared in that windfall and still get the required number of GFs within their current deal.

 

[Mofra]

An 8 year rotation. Recognising it’s an national competition but with a foundation in Melbourne.

1st Year MCG
2 Adelaide Oval
3 MCG
4 Perth Stadium
5 MCG
6 Sydney Stadium Australia
7 MCG
8 New Brisbane Olympic Staidum

That's how I imagine it. It's going to be a massive event wherever it's held, and broadcasting is a much bigger factor than attendance now anyway.

 

[schneebly111]

Bit of a stretch to call it an oval.

In an oval config it holds 82,000 people, and it also held the largest crowd for an AFL ground ever outside of Victoria.

Two weeks between the prelims and the GF is a terrible idea. I don't know why people keep pushing it.

Make the event a real big build up. It’s not unusual. The Champion’s League Final, the Super Bowl, a lot of major end of season finals in sports have a 2-3 week build up from the last qualifying matches to the ultimate final.

 

[Scotland]

In an oval config it holds 82,000 people, and it also held the largest crowd for an AFL ground ever outside of Victoria.

And has been used once since 2016. It's a poor venue for football.

Make the event a real big build up. It’s not unusual. The Champion’s League Final, the Super Bowl, a lot of major end of season finals in sports have a 2-3 week build up from the last qualifying matches to the ultimate final.

The Super Bowl does, but the Champions League doesn't happen in isolation. PSG played their last Ligue 1 game on 17th May, then the French Cup Final on 24th May and the Champions League Final on 31st May. Inter played Serie A matches on the 18th and 23rd May.

No one likes the pre finals bye, and having an extra week after the prelims would kill momentum.

 

[Senor M]

Ok let's wind it back - apologies as I was unnecessarily snippy.

Your reference to the extension is very valid - I suggest any compromise would take the form of extending the deal to factor in every 3rd GF (or whatever they come up with) being moved...along with a slice of the money generated by other states essentially paying for the opportunity to host the event.

In short, they would work out a way to ensure the MCC contract was honoured, that they had the opportunity to generate more money by rotating the venue and that the MCC were happy with this as they shared in that windfall and still get the required number of GFs within their current deal.

You have mentioned that the MCC would be compensated, but what about the Victorian state government?

The Grand Final contract isn't an agreement between two parties, but three. When the contract was extended in 2018, it added 20 years to the deal in return for $500 million in investment for Victorian AFL venues-- $25 million a year.

I’ll repeat my question from earlier— what financial compensation would the AFL need to pay the Victorian state government to get them to agree to a change in the Grand Final agreement?

 

[Obeanie1]

Yep AFL love money and their sugar Daddy (vic gov) is skint from blowing billions on nothing.
They will use other states prosperity to stand over vic gov with investment demands.
If they don’t come to the party I’m sure they will move the roadshow.

Just watch the AFL contract the grand final to the MCC / MCG for the next 100 years without any tender process or transparency.

It's what the fat cats at AFL House do. Deals with mates behind closed doors.