Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[Kobe Gryant]

No doubt the Lions list is an embarrassment of riches and will only get stronger.

It’s absolutely wild people aren’t into them about beech house’s like they are with us about farms.

Lions list far far far more stacked than us.

With the northern states, it's not third party agreements, it's the AFL financing it themselves.

I've got a mate who has a family member on the Giants board. It's not even speculation, it's all shamelessly true. That's the funniest part.

Who needs Cotton On, Visy, Nike, or Balfours Pies (Hi Adelaide) when you can literally just get the AFL to pay a star player 600k off the books.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

....And to think we're probably the second best team. The talent gap they've got is enormous.

I called it a couple years ago, and it's just kept snowballing. The Suns will be the same now that Hardwick and the FD can actually create a culture that gets them to stay.

The AFL has created a monster, but hey, if those two are tossing the cup back and forth every year for the next five, that's okay with them.

It's money in their pocket, and the game's being grown in a new frontier. Everyone else is expendable.

It was mentioned somewhere a few years ago by some astute person, about how the AFL have created this juggernaut with the academies for the northern teams and just wait and see how insanely strong it makes the Lions/Suns and how we will look back in however many years and be bitterly disappointed at the AFL for putting money ahead of everything else.
They said this BEFORE the Lions were even a deep finals team, and it's bearing fruit already.
They used the Cats as an example and said imagine the Cats right now (so let's say around 2018/2019) having complete and total access to the Geelong region of talent. So every kid who came through the Falcons could only be picked up by the Cats...
We'd have won the last 5 Flags.
That's what the lions have access to.

Edit: I don't blame the lions, their players, coaches or anyone else, it is what it is and you have to take full advantage wherever and whenever you get it.
It's not the first time the AFL haven't cared about fairness or equality and it won't be the last.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

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[Kobe Gryant]

It was mentioned somewhere a few years ago by some astute person, about how the AFL have created this juggernaut with the academies for the northern teams and just wait and see how insanely strong it makes the Lions/Suns and how we will look back in however many years and be bitterly disappointed at the AFL for putting money ahead of everything else.
They said this BEFORE the Lions were even a deep finals team, and it's bearing fruit already.
They used the Cats as an example and said imagine the Cats right now (so let's say around 2018/2019) having complete and total access to the Geelong region of talent. So every kid who came through the Falcons could only be picked up by the Cats...
We'd have won the last 5 Flags.
That's what the lions have access to.

Edit: I don't blame the lions, their players, coaches or anyone else, it is what it is and you have to take full advantage wherever and whenever you get it.
It's not the first time the AFL haven't cared about fairness or equality and it won't be the last.

Absolutely. There's no point whingeing about it, it's not going to change.

And as you say, fair game to them. Have to make hay while the sun shines, and it won't be forever. Might as well win 5 or 6 in a row while you've got it.

It does make it tougher though, and Scott, Hocking, Mackie, Lappin, and Wells have got their work cut out over the summer to bridge that gap.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

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[CatToTheFuture]

I reported here a month or two back after the night club incident that I was told Geelong hasn't ruled him out. It might still be the case

I don't even know what to do about his off field issues though. Bryce Gibbs had bikies rocking up to the crows demanding money. JUH probably has similar heat.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I don't even know what to do about his off field issues though. Bryce Gibbs had bikies rocking up to the crows demanding money. JUH probably has similar heat.

Same with Beams at Collingwood. McGuire had to pay them off.

It's the risk you take, and a thorough background check might not be enough.

I doubt we do it. Baz is a choir boy in comparison, and we've already seen the strain that can take on a club/supporters.

 

[CHAWKS2]

I'd keep Retshko too. I don't think he's got star potential, but he could be a handy Blake Acres or Sam Menegola type in a year or two.

Sure, that level of player doesn't get the juices flowing, but when we've already got one of the best offensive wingmen in the game in Dempsey, a hard working defensive bail out option opposing him isn't the worst idea.

We'd never do it, as it's just not the Geelong way, but I'd be delisting KMF with the list spot squeeze we've got at the moment.

Just doesn't have it IMO. Elite peg on him, but it means nothing if you're allergic to the footy.

Unfortunately, accumulation is an innate trait. You can't really develop it, you've either got it or you don't - and if you don't have it, you better be a Rayner or Rioli type who really make them count.

I am trying to not over react to one game where if we got anything our of 2 of our 3 stars (Danger, Jezza, Blitz) we would have been in it all the way...but it felt like our match up in the back half were problematic....and maybe therefore an elite small defender should be on the list?

We just couldn't cover Bailey, Loman, Charlie with Humprhies (who was great but also got goals kicked?) Zuthrie and Clark. maybe it depends where MOC and Mullin get put as either of those I suppose could be that elite small defender? Or do we repurpose someone?

We just felt short - same against Hawks I was scared about match ups....but we dominated out of middle so didn't matter

 

[foxdog50]

Surely if Cam Guthrie stays he would be on minimum chips salary... i wonder what he be currently on

 

[catstorm]

Might not be so sure of Marshall to be honest.

I have it on good authority from someone that knows him personally that he doesn’t want to leave St Kilda.

Make of that what you will.

 

[CatTricks]

Is Marshall even that good?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If I was Wilkie I'd leave for the same reason Marshall wants out. He's one of the premium KIDS in the AFL and they're bringing in player with half his talent on more money. He has been offered good money by doggies.
Would be many disgruntled players at Saints

Sure but that doesnt mean they will release him nor should they.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Is Marshall even that good?

Yes.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Is Marshall even that good?

I’d say an average Marshall game is similar to a good Stanley game.

 

[FootyLad0]

Is Marshall even that good?

Did you watch him beat us in Round 2 where he was pretty much BOG? Lol

This doesn’t even include his other stats like:

8 score involvements
7 clearances
32 hitouts
6 inside 50’s




Is he a superstar? No
But how many ruckman are?

Just giving ourselves a great one (which we haven’t had since Ottens) gives us a chance at winning more first use footy which helps Holmes and Baz get more first chance at the ball.

For years all of our mids have basically had to play as defensive footballers first basically hitching themselves to their opponent to stop them from receiving from the oppo ruckman and then winning it back to get use of the ball and win clearances.

This is finally solving a problem we’ve had for a long time.
Blics shouldn’t have to play out of position as first use Ruck for us, it allows him to play other positions that he can excel at.

Rhys will always have our hearts for 2022, but he’s beyond done.
He has 2/3 great games a year and the rest are 50/50 or poor. He can’t be expected to carry the load again.

With Rowan, you are basically getting an extra mid.
His follow up work is fantastic, he isn’t a plodder who just taps and then stops.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Is Marshall even that good?

Score involvment machine of a ruckman, that plays as an extra midfielder, with the ruck rules changing next year to suit him. All being done in a shit team too.

He's a gun. It's Chris Scott's wet dream of a what a ruckman should be.

We shouldn't overpay, but out of Worpel, Curnow, and Marshall, he moves the needle the most in terms of upgrading what we've already got.

That's basically what list management should be at the bare bones of it.

 

[bulletproof]

No doubt the Lions list is an embarrassment of riches and will only get stronger.

It’s absolutely wild people aren’t into them about beech house’s like they are with us about farms.

Lions list far far far more stacked than us.

The same people who say Geelong have a terrible list demographic and are about to fall out of contention are often the same people who think we must be cheating to keep this list together.

The intellectual disconnect to hold both of these competing positions is quite something.

 

[Larry Donohue]

I want to keep him as well. A lot would have to happen for SDk to move and I'm only reporting on St Kilda's end. They wont chase him if Wilkie stays

Would he want to play with a brother on more than 1 million dollars greater pay than him?

 

[iameviljez]

Might not be so sure of Marshall to be honest.

I have it on good authority from someone that knows him personally that he doesn’t want to leave St Kilda.

Make of that what you will.

I have no idea why a 30yo AFL-grade ruckman would want to play second banana in a team which didn't make the eight.

 

[fpm84]

Might not be so sure of Marshall to be honest.

I have it on good authority from someone that knows him personally that he doesn’t want to leave St Kilda.

Make of that what you will.

Interesting, according to a number of Saints ITKs he actually wanted to join us last year, met with Scott and Mackie and was even looking at houses in the area before St K told him to hold on and reassess in 12 months to see if they landed TDK.

 

[MacStradbroke]

Said similar to a mate of mine, line up the lions best 23 assuming no injuries, add the players they look to be getting, now go to any other teams list and find players who would walk into the lions 23.
There really aren't many at all. At the Cats I have maybe 6, Holmes, Smith, Dempsey, Jez, Stewart and probably Blicavs.
Most other clubs would have sub 4 or worse.
The other way? I could almost name a dozen Lions who'd walk into the Cats 23.
Stacked is putting it nicely, I don't even think our Great team of 07-11 had their kind of depth.

I agree they are stacked, and there is a real monster dynasty staring at us possibly, but saying we only have 6 players who would get a game in their side is a massive overreaction.

 

[FootyLad0]

Might not be so sure of Marshall to be honest.

I have it on good authority from someone that knows him personally that he doesn’t want to leave St Kilda.

Make of that what you will.

Person close to Marshall family in here said he’s keen to come to Geelong, and we know he requested a move here in 2024 and was told no.

 

[thegerman]

Might not be so sure of Marshall to be honest.

I have it on good authority from someone that knows him personally that he doesn’t want to leave St Kilda.

Make of that what you will.

Look, it is well known he requested a trade last year to Geelong and was denied. So I take this news you have with a grain of salt, given his past request and the thought of another first choice ruck being traded in.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Any suggestion by posters that Marshall doesn't want out of St Kilda is incorrect. It's the opposite, and 100% has told his manager to deal with Geelong and Geelong only.

Now whether a deal can be done remains to be seen. And now that Geelong's season is finished I'd be more confident if we heard something publicly from the player or his manager.

Was really surprised at the Curnow developments and Mackie publicly saying they had interest in getting him to Geelong. Would be a great get but I can't see it happening.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Stengle to Carlton is the only way I see the Curnow deal getting done. Would certainly take that deal over Mannagh going.

It goes against our list management strategy to trade a contracted player but I think the situation we find ourselves in is a bit different to previous years. When someone like Curnow publicly states he wants to get to Geelong, and Mackie publicly states a willingness to do a deal, then you've got a fairly unique scenario in play. If Mackie states publicly that they want Curnow then you can guarantee 100% that the club (including C Scott) see that as a big win and will have a way to make that improve our side. Otherwise they would have already killed off the chat.

In a perfect world (dreamtime) - Curnow to Geelong for Stengle, Stevens and a future 2nd / Marshall to Geelong for our first rounder plus Clohesy

Mackie was around as a young lad when Moloney was used as trade currency to secure Brad Ottens. At the time it was seen as a pretty radical move, but it paid off big time.

I don't think Charlie Curnow will be as transformational as Brad Ottens, but when someone of his calibre wants your club, and the feeling is mutual, then radical options will be explored.