Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[Mynamesinuse]

The traded contract was 700k, which is less than Marshall's and no one is saying his is a cap dump.

Melbourne weren’t prepared to pay Grundy that much to play VFL.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Saints fans have been chest beating on this site and I don’t blame them but it’ll be a bad look to lose Row

No it won’t be.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

It would be for St.Kilda and I will tell you why.

If Geelong is trying to swindle a low-ball deal, and refuse to stump up something objectively reasonable commensurate to RoMa's value, then Geelong has let him down. He'll be disappointed with Geelong and I'm sure he'll happily front up at Moorabbin in 2026.

On the flip side, if SOS is being unreasonable to the point where one could reasonably deduce that the demands are tantamount to sabotage, then yes, it's simply inevitable that Marshall has to stay as the Cats will walk.

SOS and Ross can be all cute and think that playing hardball to the point of sabotage will work, but in the end, you'll have a bloke who's extremely disgruntled because he'll know that the negotiations didn't take place in good faith.

Be honest, do you think he will be happy under these circumstances? Will you really be the winners here if he's disgruntled? You'll have pissed the bloke off massively because the whole thing would have been performative. I don't know about you, but it seems like a hollow victory to me.

There's nuance here, and from the Saints' perspective, retaining RoMa will only work under certain circumstances. If no deal is to be reached, I'd hazard a guess that his attitude will be vary widely depending on how the negotiations go down.

If the Saints' strategy ensure RoMa's retention is contingent upon being completely unreasonable at the trade table to the point where Geelong cannot in good conscience meet the demands, then this is a sure-fire way to get his nose out of joint.

If this is how you wish for it to play out, then good luck to your mob.

You are missing the point, Marshall is contracted for 2 more years
& he is wanted by the Saints
You have to question why? he was speaking to Geelong fc last year, when he was under contract.
Now, when Tdk comes on board he wants out because you have an immediate need for him.
So, he's also missing the point, by assuming that he has a say, in ending his contract.
Go big & satisfy the Saints
Or he rocks up to our 1st day of pre-season

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Melbourne weren’t prepared to pay Grundy that much to play VFL.

Yeah, because he was playing vfl. That's the point. He was an A grade 30 year old ruckman on a normal contract that, despite the best efforts of both players, could not make it work on field and had to be sent to the 2s.

It's disingenuous to say it was a cash dump when Melbourne could fully afford the contract, that's not what a cap dump is.

It's also by far the closest situation to this one.

 

[stavro#4]

Yeah, because he was playing vfl. That's the point. He was an A grade 30 year old ruckman on a normal contract that, despite the best efforts of both players, could not make it work on field and had to be sent to the 2s.

It's disingenuous to say it was a cash dump when Melbourne could fully afford the contract, that's not what a cap dump is.

It's also by far the closest situation to this one.

Except it’s not Marshall coming off a failed trade and poor season playing vfl.

It’s another season as a number 1 ruck at afl and you just lost the flag getting destroyed by 2 rucks.

So not even close to similar

 

[FootyLad0]

Cats usually get players who are nominating them to hold off announcing until after their Finals campaign is finished.
Been a staple of the way they do things.

IF (and that's IF) Rowan is putting in an official trade request this year we probably won't hear about it until the season is well and truly done. Which means this thread can probably be locked until then.

BUMP….called it.
Cats get their targets to wait until season is done to put in requests.

Now that it’s been done and Rowan has officially asked out we wait for the real thing.
Usually if there’s an offical trade request put in it means a deal is already underway between clubs.

Imagine it’s just working out the finer details.
Relax peeps, no Dodoro’s here being a dumbass.
No need for constant inane pointless back and forth (we are better than that)

Both clubs will work together on this, I’m sure Cats will try to help Saints get one of their other deals done like they did with Dogs, North and Blues last trade period.
Ross and Scotty are super close, they’ll make sure each other is looked after.

Grab a drink, sit back and enjoy the ride fellas.
It’s Continental Tyres Trade season baby

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Except it’s not Marshall coming off a failed trade and poor season playing vfl.

It’s another season as a number 1 ruck at afl and you just lost the flag getting destroyed by 2 rucks.

So not even close to similar

We lost the flag because we were playing against the best midfield in the comp.

A better ruck would have maybe minimised the damage, but when it's 2 elite mids versus 4 or 5, that's what you get.

The ruck was 10% of the problem. Ignoring the extra 90 being their mids, their drive off halfback through our zone, and our inefficiency going forward is disingenuous.

If we had the choice of adding a Callaghan type to beat Brisbane, or adding Marshall, we'd be taking Callaghan every time.

One is available and wants to come to Geelong though, and the other isn't. That's all this is.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

If I was StKilda I would keep him unless it's a spectacular deal.
It depends on how badly Geelong want to make another grand final I suppose.

 

[Significant]

If I was StKilda I would keep him unless it's a spectacular deal.
It depends on how badly Geelong want to make another grand final I suppose.

This.

 

[Significant]

Ross has already set the scene on national television

We aren't going to be moving on contracted players unless the payment is on our terms.

I can see SOS trotting out the same line each time Mackie suggests a less than desirable trade, the same line we gave Rowan at his exit meeting:

Marshall is a desired player, who is contracted for the next two years and is pivotal to our success. Our expectation i a we will be seeing him on the first day of preseason.

Make no mistake, Saints aren't driving this one.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Yeah, because he was playing vfl. That's the point. He was an A grade 30 year old ruckman on a normal contract that, despite the best efforts of both players, could not make it work on field and had to be sent to the 2s.

It's disingenuous to say it was a cash dump when Melbourne could fully afford the contract, that's not what a cap dump is.

It's also by far the closest situation to this one.

No it’s not at all.

 

[stavro#4]

We lost the flag because we were playing against the best midfield in the comp.

A better ruck would have maybe minimised the damage, but when it's 2 elite mids versus 4 or 5, that's what you get.

The ruck was 10% of the problem. Ignoring the extra 90 being their mids, their drive off halfback through our zone, and our inefficiency going forward is disingenuous.

If we had the choice of adding a Callaghan type to beat Brisbane, or adding Marshall, we'd be taking Callaghan every time.

One is available and wants to come to Geelong though, and the other isn't. That's all this is.

Marshall is a follower than a tap ruck.

Please keep talking like you actually know who your club is trying to recruit.

He will breakeven at the hitout and his best work is post tap

 

[CatToTheFuture]

No it’s not at all.

Cap dumps are when a side is forced to offload a contract they can't afford because they will breach the salary cap the next year if they don't. The part that makes it different to a normal trade is the poor negotiation position of the club given the consequences of not trading.

The second Grundy trade is just trading a surplus player.

The only thing I'll grant about it being different is that Melbourne probably owed him an easy trade to his club of choice after selling him a pup and putting him in the vfl

 

[JimmyR20]

Cap dumps are when a side is forced to offload a contract they can't afford because they will breach the salary cap the next year if they don't. The part that makes it different to a normal trade is the poor negotiation position of the club given the consequences of not trading.

The second Grundy trade is just trading a surplus player.

The only thing I'll grant about it being different is that Melbourne probably owed him an easy trade to his club of choice after selling him a pup and putting him in the vfl

What about the fact there is zero evidence the Saints need to cap dump?

 

[CCurnow3picks]

Does St Kilda’s recruitment & crazy deal for a younger developing ruck in TDK reduce the trade value of Marshall?

Probably - it shows he’s superfluous to their plans and not a priority.

Marshall himself realises this & requested a trade.

SOS showing once again - he loves to bring in big names at the cost of the wider list strategy.

 

[bird_man]

Does St Kilda’s recruitment & crazy deal for a younger developing ruck in TDK reduce the trade value of Marshall?

Probably - it shows he’s superfluous to their plans and not a priority.

Marshall himself realises this & requested a trade.

SOS showing once again - he loves to bring in big names at the cost of the wider list strategy.

So basically swapping one older ruck for one younger ruck (with more upside) and some decent draft picks.

A bit like buying draft picks with cap space.

 

[TiAn_]

Cap dumps are when a side is forced to offload a contract they can't afford because they will breach the salary cap the next year if they don't. The part that makes it different to a normal trade is the poor negotiation position of the club given the consequences of not trading.

The second Grundy trade is just trading a surplus player.

The only thing I'll grant about it being different is that Melbourne probably owed him an easy trade to his club of choice after selling him a pup and putting him in the vfl

I would also use salary dump to describe what the Bulldogs did with Macrae last year. We could afford to keep his large contact, but he was surplus to needs and shipping off his whole contract allowed us to make other moves last year and this year. Might be similar to how some view the second Grundy trade.

Either way, agree that Marshall isn’t a salary dump. But similar to Grundy he is surplus now after bringing in TDK and I think the Saints will be somewhat motivated to sell and won’t be pushing for anything ridiculous.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

So basically swapping one older ruck for one younger ruck (with more upside) and some decent draft picks.

A bit like buying draft picks with cap space.

Yeah but you’re assuming TDK can ruck…or at least to the same level as Marshall.

TDK more often than not loses rucking contests - he’s not a good tap ruckman. He tries to jump over other ruckmen - they simply body him.

He averages 1-2 marks a game. 9 goals per year. Doesn’t mark the ball around the ground.

Noted you’ve swapped one out for the other - my point is in doing so you’ve devalued Marshall as a trade asset.

 

[DT_35]

Does St Kilda’s recruitment & crazy deal for a younger developing ruck in TDK reduce the trade value of Marshall?

Probably - it shows he’s superfluous to their plans and not a priority.

Marshall himself realises this & requested a trade.

SOS showing once again - he loves to bring in big names at the cost of the wider list strategy.

Your obsession with SOS is weird AF

 

[bird_man]

Yeah but you’re assuming TDK can ruck…or at least to the same level as Marshall.

TDK more often than not loses rucking contests - he’s not a good tap ruckman. He tries to jump over other ruckmen - they simply body him.

He averages 1-2 marks a game. 9 goals per year. Doesn’t mark the ball around the ground.

Noted you’ve swapped one out for the other - my point is in doing so you’ve devalued Marshall as a trade asset.

Well he can ruck at the same level as Marshall. Clearly you have no idea about Rowans game if you think ruck work is his strength.

Exactly why he was moved to the second ruck role when we had Ryder fit and available.

In terms of trade value, he's contracted. We aren't trading him for peanuts. We will get fair value for him.

 

[bird_man]

Surely you can see why…

He f***** our list, acted like a spoiled tosser when JSOS played - he couldn’t even applaud his own son when he played well.

the funny thing is - he’s doing the same thing to your list now & you can’t see it…

Carlton fans were telling everyone they had the best list in the comp a couple of years ago.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I would also use salary dump to describe what the Bulldogs did with Macrae last year. We could afford to keep his large contact, but he was surplus to needs and shipping off his whole contract allowed us to make other moves last year and this year. Might be similar to how some view the second Grundy trade.

Either way, agree that Marshall isn’t a salary dump. But similar to Grundy he is surplus now after bringing in TDK and I think the Saints will be somewhat motivated to sell and won’t be pushing for anything ridiculous.

I agree with all of that bar the first sentence. The driver for getting rid of Macrae was that he wasn't best 22. You could have kept the money on the books if it benefited you

 

[TiAn_]

I agree with all of that bar the first sentence. The driver for getting rid of Macrae was that he wasn't best 22. You could have kept the money on the books if it benefited you

Agree, but I would still refer to that scenario of trading out a surplus high salary player for a lower pick as a salary dump. So it’s a terminology thing.

 

[Falchoon]

Your list was cooked because you blew your cap and that happened in the years after SOS left when you gave huge deals to 7-8 players.

Remember sos left in 2019.

You also refused to trade out McKay or Curnow at their absolute peak to improve of significant list deficiencies- instead choosing to hold that core group.

Your list strategy was screwed by those that came after. Not because of the guy who gave you all the cap space and talent

Carlton's biggest issue is a one paced no burst midfield with limited defensive attributes.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with recruiting Cerra and Hewett individually, and you can throw in Acres too, but tripling them up with Cripps is a bad idea.

That was all post SOS.

Owies 2024 goal tally would have won their goalkicking this year.

 

[MisterMarcus]

It's kind of fun watching the proxy war between Carlton fans who want SOS to blow St Kilda up, and The Usual Suspects obsessed with wanting Geelong to lose out.....