Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[Falchoon]

Yeah, because he was playing vfl. That's the point. He was an A grade 30 year old ruckman on a normal contract that, despite the best efforts of both players, could not make it work on field and had to be sent to the 2s.

It's disingenuous to say it was a cash dump when Melbourne could fully afford the contract, that's not what a cap dump is.

It's also by far the closest situation to this one.

I agree with all of that bar the first sentence. The driver for getting rid of Macrae was that he wasn't best 22. You could have kept the money on the books if it benefited you

It reads as though you're missing a bit of subtlety here, and it's related to why the Saints are able to pay overs for the next 2 years.

Whilst trading a player may not necessarily be a "Cap dump" in the traditional sense of the word, ie Macrae and Grundy, yes the Dogs and Dees could afford their salaries under the salary cap.

But, It's still advantageous to dump those salaries. Ie

a) Dees + Grundy = 100% of cap
b) Dees - Grundy =95% of cap

It can still be advantageous to salary dump Grundy to allow TPP for this year to be 95%, opening up the ability to pay 105% next year.

Technically not a "cap dump' in the traditional sense, but a strategic salary dump nonetheless. It's possibly how the Dogs had funds to target Wilkie at $1.2m.

Saints took it one step further with paying forward, which is not unheard of, but has allowed a circa 20-25% of salary cap spending spree to take place in one off season.

The Google "AI" overview on 95/105 TPP

 

[CatsDan]

No it won’t be.

Yes, it will be

 

[bird_man]

Saints fans have been chest beating on this site and I don’t blame them but it’ll be a bad look to lose Row

Why would it be a bad look?

 

[CatsDan]

Why would it be a bad look?

Pushing out a starting 18 player for another player while on big bucks without it looking like the right move.

 

[stavro#4]

Pushing out a starting 18 player for another player while on big bucks without it looking like the right move.

How have we pushed out a bloke we have said is wanted

Christ. The mental gymnastics

 

[CatsDan]

How have we pushed out a bloke we have said is wanted

Christ. The mental gymnastics

Row deserves a club that will treat him with respect and pay him what he deserves.

 

[stavro#4]

Row deserves a club that will treat him with respect and pay him what he deserves.

So we haven’t forced him out?

Gotcha

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Pushing out a starting 18 player for another player while on big bucks without it looking like the right move.

Given that Marshall has wanted to move for a number of years to Geelong it’s not. They’ve found a ruck that is on trajectory to be be better. If they can trade Marshall for overs it’s a huge win. If the deals fair it’s a win.

 

[stavro#4]

 

[stavro#4]

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Row deserves a club that will treat him with respect and pay him what he deserves.

We have already paid him the majority of his current contract in the first two years we have actually paid him above what he deserved . Geelong will be the ones that will actually be paying him below his actual worth due to only having to the remainder of the deal

 

[CatsDan]

We have already paid him the majority of his current contract in the first two years we have actually paid him above what he deserved . Geelong will be the ones that will actually be paying him below his actual worth due to only having to the remainder of the deal

Fair call - thanks for explaining that to me.

 

[fpm84]

Mackie and SOS spoke on Saturday and the wheels are moving on a deal (per Cal Twomey's interview with Mackie this morning).

 

[CCurnow3picks]

It's kind of fun watching the proxy war between Carlton fans who want SOS to blow St Kilda up, and The Usual Suspects obsessed with wanting Geelong to lose out.....

Your welcome!

Stay away from Charles ok!

 

[stavro#4]

Yeah Nah…

Have a look at the number of spuds SOS brought in from GWS.

More worryingly have a close look at the players he drafted.

I give you exhibit 1(of many)

Paddy Dow - for pick 3!

You might know a bit about Paddy, & Liam Stocker, Jack Carroll etc etc etc..

Yep, sos was amazing .

He brought a number of cheap options to fill a complete list rebuild in the hope you found 1 or 2. You didn’t but that isn’t a strategy issue they were cheap throws at the stumps.

Stocker is rated among the supporter base. Dow nearly lost a leg and has been perennial injured. Carroll is one of appeal for us.

Every club stuffs up picks. Why aren’t you talking about his home run hits in Walsh Weitering Curnow McKay, TDK getting drafted where he did.

 

[CatsDan]

when a player that important wants to explore success elsewhere, it’s never easy. But try to see the silver lining which is it means your program is developing players that finals clubs actually want.

 

[The Unforgiven]

How have we pushed out a bloke we have said is wanted

Christ. The mental gymnastics

Pushed out isn't the term I'd use. I think the more accurate word would be "displaced".

 

[The Unforgiven]

when a player that important wants to explore success elsewhere, it’s never easy. But try to see the silver lining which is it means your program is developing players that finals clubs actually want.

Congrats on being a feeder club?

 

[Significant]

when a player that important wants to explore success elsewhere, it’s never easy. But try to see the silver lining which is it means your program is developing players that finals clubs actually want.

Jeez there is some smugness here - what do you think gets the trade done for an experienced player who still has two years to run on a contract?

 

[CatsDan]

Jeez there is some smugness here - what do you think gets the trade done for an experienced player who still has two years to run on a contract?

No disrespect intended Ive always had plenty of sympathy for the Saints.

 

[CCurnow3picks]

He brought a number of cheap options to fill a complete list rebuild in the hope you found 1 or 2. You didn’t but that isn’t a strategy issue they were cheap throws at the stumps.

Stocker is rated among the supporter base. Dow nearly lost a leg and has been perennial injured. Carroll is one of appeal for us.

Every club stuffs up picks. Why aren’t you talking about his home run hits in Walsh Weitering Curnow McKay, TDK getting drafted where he did.

2015 was his only good outcome.

Taking the best player at #1 in the draft is really a no brainer.

I can list the spuds he brought to us if you like?

It’ll be quite a roast!

 

[Significant]

No disrespect intended Ive always had plenty of sympathy for the Saints.

What do you think gets the trade done for an experienced player who still has two years to run on a contract?

 

[bird_man]

Row deserves a club that will treat him with respect and pay him what he deserves.

So is Geelong paying him more than us?

 

[FreeAgent1]

Ross wants a future 1st and future second……

 

[CatsDan]

Didn’t mean to sound condescending at all — honestly just trying to give credit where it’s due. You’ve developed him brilliantly, and it’s clear how much he means to your group.

His at the end of his career now and deserves to taste regular finals and see what a successful program looks like.