Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[Pns_blister]

I reckon it will be Pick 16 for Starcevich and Dev combined. I think that's a terrible deal for WC but I think that will end up being the deal.

Agree. Particularly as West Coast’s LM used the word “ideally” when talking about hanging on to that pick. Almost seemed resigned to it being central

 

[mpal6]

??? Lions can't play any games.

We would just take Allen in the PSD and Starcevich in the ND and bid on Annable at 1.

Jeez man

 

[txbyhull]

You’d take Starce with pick 1 and miss out on pick 2 all together? This thread has gone beyond stupid now, especially considering it’s a pretty straightforward late first that’s been gifted by the AFL for a dual premiership player. Both clubs win

agreed, only got out of control due to fans from either side being insufferable + lions ridiculously asking for pick 16 inflaming eagles fans with ptsd from last season.

 

[Pns_blister]

Why would we take him with pick 1?

We could just take him with our second rounder, we are offering him big money I doubt anyone else would bother.

And they say you lose your ability to engage in imaginative play when you get older hahaha

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

agreed, only got out of control due to fans from either side being insufferable + lions ridiculously asking for pick 16 inflaming eagles fans with ptsd from last season.

Pick 16 will be the deal for Dev and Starcevich combined. Perhaps with a third rounder or future third rounder going to WC too. WC list managers will make out like they've had a recruitment coup getting two players. Bookmark my post and get back to me when the trade is done.

 

[M Malice]

agreed, only got out of control due to fans from either side being insufferable + lions ridiculously asking for pick 16 inflaming eagles fans with ptsd from last season.

Why would anyone get inflamed with anything posted on a nuffie footy forum, nothing we say and banter about on here has a scintilla of affect on what the deal will ultimately be.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

Can’t take Starce and Allen with pick 1 in the PSD. Lions could play the same game. No one will touch Allen, the rest of the league would be more happy with that outcome as no compo pick diluting the draft. WCE losing out on pick 2 would be all time hahaha

We wouldn't need to though? If the Allen deal falls through, we just take Starc as a free agent.

 

[txbyhull]

Pick 16 will be the deal for Dev and Starcevich combined. Perhaps with a third rounder or future third rounder going to WC too. WC list managers will make out like they've had a recruitment coup getting two players. Bookmark my post and get back to me when the trade is done.

Meh. I just can’t fathom why the eagles would give up 16. WC LM team would get hounded, worse than last year. Considering Dev has zero value and Starc is one step from retirement. As a tin foil hatter re: assistance granted solely for the purpose of Starcevich trade, it just has no merit for the eagles. Clarke will be out of a job by next draft if he gives up 16 for Starcevich and Dev

Why would anyone get inflamed with anything posted on a nuffie footy forum, nothing we say and banter about on here has a scintilla of affect on what the deal will ultimately be.

not about the BF posts in that part, the actual reporting that Brisbane are chasing 16 probably sends shivers down the spine of all west coast fans after our horror off season last year.

 

[lusheslewis]

Jeez man

I'm sorry it had to be this way

 

[lusheslewis]

We wouldn't need to though? If the Allen deal falls through, we just take Starc as a free agent.

If the Allen deal doesn't happen they would be able to match for Starcevich.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

If the Allen deal doesn't happen they would be able to match for Starcevich.

Would they be willing to? As far as I'm aware they've only offered a two year deal so far, which scares the **** out of me if we're being honest.

 

[Pns_blister]

We wouldn't need to though? If the Allen deal falls through, we just take Starc as a free agent.

We could match that deal, as we wouldn’t have Allen’s money accounted for on the books. Easy to make it go your way in hypotheticals haha. WCE will cough up, whether it’s end of first round or Hawks’ first is the only question.

 

[lusheslewis]

Would they be willing to? As far as I'm aware they've only offered a two year deal so far, which scares the **** out of me if we're being honest.

Maybe not.

They will work it out before Friday. If there was some sort of agreement made before trade week I expect they will settle on that. It's possible we did offer the Hawks 1st pick originally and are trying to back out.

The fact that no deal has been lodged suggests someone is driving a hard bargain.

 

[Pns_blister]

Maybe not.

They will work it out before Friday. If there was some sort of agreement made before trade week I expect they will settle on that. It's possible we did offer the Hawks 1st pick originally and are trying to back out.

The fact that no deal has been lodged suggests someone is driving a hard bargain.

Might be an unpopular opinion, but getting Starce and pick 2 for Allen and pick 16 is an incredibly good outcome for West Coast.

Starce has shown a lot more on a football field, consistently, than what Allen has.

Focus on what you are getting, not what you are losing.

 

[txbyhull]

Might be an unpopular opinion, but getting Starce and pick 2 for Allen and pick 16 is an incredibly good outcome for West Coast.

Starce has shown a lot more on a football field, consistently, than what Allen has.

Focus on what you are getting, not what you are losing.

Lmao.

The exact same sentences have been uttered about 2 and Starc for Allen and the assistance package.

Watch it end up as the assistance and Bris fans will say they got sold severe unders. The flip flopping is insane considering 16 was never on the table until about 2 days ago. The assistance is already overs for gods sake he’s out of contract, concussion prone, a small defender. I’d rather we backed out than got Starcevich and couldn’t trade into a third top 10 pick

 

[Tugga27]

I reckon it will be Pick 16 for Starcevich and Dev combined. I think that's a terrible deal for WC but I think that will end up being the deal.

I'm thinking, hoping it's pick 23 for Starcevich.

Dev shouldn't even be in the conversation.

 

[lusheslewis]

Might be an unpopular opinion, but getting Starce and pick 2 for Allen and pick 16 is an incredibly good outcome for West Coast.

Starce has shown a lot more on a football field, consistently, than what Allen has.

Focus on what you are getting, not what you are losing.

Likewise getting Allen and pick 20ish for Starcevich is an incredibly good outcome for Brisbane.

So both clubs stand to lose if the deal falls through.

Would Allen and Starcevich both just stay at their original teams if this happened? It would be interesting for sure. I don't think either would want to leave by screwing their original club.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Likewise getting Allen and pick 20ish for Starcevich is an incredibly good outcome for Brisbane.

So both clubs stand to lose if the deal falls through.

Would Allen and Starcevich both just stay at their original teams if this happened? It would be interesting for sure. I don't think either would want to leave by screwing their original club.

Yer, it’s like as if that outcome is mutually beneficial …..

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

Lmao.

The exact same sentences have been uttered about 2 and Starc for Allen and the assistance package.

Watch it end up as the assistance and Bris fans will say they got sold severe unders. The flip flopping is insane considering 16 was never on the table until about 2 days ago. The assistance is already overs for gods sake he’s out of contract, concussion prone, a small defender. I’d rather we backed out than got Starcevich and couldn’t trade into a third top 10 pick

No rational supporter is going to complain about not getting pick 16.

Ask any Hawthorn supporters if they would pay pick 23 for Starcevich, directly comparing Danger output in the Preliminary to Grand Final.

 

[txbyhull]

No rational supporter is going to complain about not getting pick 16.

The way that some Brisbane fans have been talking about it though is as if taking pick 16 is doing us favour. Obviously it’s all goofy posturing and BF nuffie sh**posting, but i have to admit it is successfully rage baiting me

Ask any Hawthorn supporters if they would pay pick 23 for Starcevich, directly comparing Danger output in the Preliminary to Grand Final.

I’d happily pay pick 23 for Starcevich and Dev (or Dev as a DFA same difference in that we give up nothing). Would I rather give up 36 or whatever our late 2nd is? Absolutely. Is that fair value? Who’s to say until a few years down the line.

Think the assistance is right in the sweet spot to be honest.

 

[lusheslewis]

Yer, it’s like as if that outcome is mutually beneficial …..

Every deal is mutually beneficial, you still have to negotiate to get the best deal you can.

Basic strategy says offer them the worst deal you think they will accept and be prepared to walk away. I assume that's what is happening with five days to go.

 

[The_Reaper]

Might be an unpopular opinion, but getting Starce and pick 2 for Allen and pick 16 is an incredibly good outcome for West Coast.

Starce has shown a lot more on a football field, consistently, than what Allen has.

Focus on what you are getting, not what you are losing.

A new list manager after that deal

 

[leighmo]

No-one said the PSD isn’t real - the post you’re obsessing over was that PSD leverage only exists in myth, rather than reality

in other words, it’s functionally defunct because it has ceased to be viewed as a realistic or advisable option

Sensor M and others here have explained why that’s the case and why the examples you raised don’t even qualify as isolated outliers or one-offs

So you’re arguing about something that a) you don’t understand AND b) completely misread

Just stop

If PSD leverage is a myth, then I guess Sydney and the Bulldogs just accepted unders for Dawson and Dunkley out of pure generosity. No, it was because they had to trade or risk losing them through the PSD.

Again, not a myth. Just because you don’t want it to be leverage, doesn’t make it the case. Sensor M was bringing in ridiculous examples of why Jack Martin and Starcevich are different. Ffs, I know they are different, doesn’t change the fact they were/are uncontracted players on the trade table.

Show me something concrete which suggests the psd leverage is a myth, rather than just unsubstantiated claims by you lot and I’ll change my mind. Until then, maybe check your own understanding.

 

[Elixuh]

??? Lions can't play any games.

We would just take Allen in the PSD and Starcevich in the ND and bid on Annable at 1.

I think this is the clubhouse leader post in this thread. Will be difficult to beat.

It actually got an audible laugh from me so well done. He likely spent all week down in the mines thinking about it.

 

[bungalow_bill]

The way that some Brisbane fans have been talking about it though is as if taking pick 16 is doing us favour. Obviously it’s all goofy posturing and BF nuffie sh**posting, but i have to admit it is successfully rage baiting me

I’d happily pay pick 23 for Starcevich and Dev (or Dev as a DFA same difference in that we give up nothing). Would I rather give up 36 or whatever our late 2nd is? Absolutely. Is that fair value? Who’s to say until a few years down the line.

Think the assistance is right in the sweet spot to be honest.

The assistance pick is fair considering Brandon's concussion issue. if it weren't for that pick 16 would be fair. The assistance pick is what it will be IMO.