List Mgmt. 2025 List Management Discussion - Part IV

[Hubnester]

2025 List Management Discussion - Part 4

Now that our season is over, and news is starting to break - it's time for a fresh thread.

This thread is to discuss all things list management - trades, draft, free agency, delistings and more.
As we are now officially in our off-season, we'll be wanting to keep this thread more strictly on-topic than the previous iterations.
Be respectful. You are allowed to disagree with someone - but play the ball, not the man. Repeat offenders will have their posting rights revoked.

Thanks to Lore once again for this incredibly useful spreadsheet.

2025 KEY DATES
Free Agency Period: Friday, October 3rd - Friday, October 10th
Trade Period: Monday, October 6th - Wednesday, October 15th
AFL Draft: Wednesday, November 19th - Thursday, November 20th

See Also:
2025 Year in Review Rumours & Confirmed Movements 2025 Draft Discussion
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[PoppedCorn]

I think someone's sitting in mum's basement in their pjays covered in Dorito dust tbh.

Jesus christ take a seat on the pine ffs.

Now the back is a major concern but we still took him with 7
F.MD

 

[SainterinSydney]

Can someone with certified ITK status confirm whether anything to this De Goo Goo rumour?

 

[Geezington]

I’m wondering this as well.

Let’s ask our resident GC itk Geezington

Significant back issue coming from playing out of position

 

[Saints43]

Pick 7 for Flanders is way overs when you consider Geelong traded 17 for Bailey Smith.

I'd prefer we keep drafting. Trading 1st round picks is something I'm generally opposed to, unless you're getting someone truly elite.

Did you see Vibes finished 6th in Carltons best and fairest? Even playing forward for the second half of the season? That was one of your big knocks on him, wasn't it?
Or just moved onto Flanders now?
Pick 7 won't be pick 7 on the night by the way.

 

[crasha301]

We just picked up a FT midfielder who came 3rd in their best and fairest and had the same amount of Brownlowe votes as McCluggage and more then Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

, Sinclair and Max Holmes in 2024.

This all happened when played in his prefered position mid/HB

Why the change, because dimma has favourites, bringing in roili and Noble pushed him fwd, GC new last year if they didn't give Humphrey minutes in the middle he was requesting a trade.

Which resulted in less minutes for flanders in the middle.

Pick 7 in a weak draft which will be pushed to pick 11ish for a contacted midfielder is fair value.

Considering we have been screaming for mids for 15 years I thought some would be happy, you need to lay off the pipe and enjoy the ride.

 

[Diehard Saint]

The question I was referring to was why Flanders only got 53 centre bounce attendances in 2025

Either he was playing injured, or he was deemed a terrible fit alongside Rowell/Anderson for some reason, or he's not as good as everyone thinks

Presumably the explanation would be one of those.

You’ve also questioned why we are taking a 24 year old, rather than going to the draft.

That was my answer.

 

[PJays]

Did you see Vibes finished 6th in Carltons best and fairest? Even playing forward for the second half of the season? That was one of your big knocks on him, wasn't it?

6th on a team who didn't get anywhere near finals- that's meant to impress me?

Last year he was 7th.

Maybe next year at St Kilda he'll be 5th....

 

[JG22]

That pick 7 is now pick 8.. then you've got Uwland, Patterson, Annable and Dean.. I'm considering it pick 12.

That's thinking Suns move their early points out for points.

 

[bergholt]

Yes and what I'm saying is if this was a generational draft, this would be a clear overpay based on what we know of Flanders and the likelihood of picking up a gun with that pick considering the probabilities. If it's an average draft I'd argue it's still an overpay. If it's a shithouse draft then I'm fine with it.

At this time of year this gif always makes sense:

 

[tassiesaint2024]

Sure is a lot of people arguing with some posts I can't see...

Think we sit back and watch the carnage unfold for a couple days. Get Aleer, Ryan and JDG late Tuesday.

Grab popcorn for Wednesday to see Trac/Oliver/Merrett shit show go down.

Hahaha. Same boat here.

 

[Kildonan]

Sam Flanders a good chance to have the same number (3) on his back at the Saints ?

I've heard that TDK wants 3

 

[EddieMurphy]

Even when 7 slides these are the guys we won't have access to.

 

[SaintersUnite]

Fair point, the back thing is a major concern though, surely?

My philosophy is not trading picks. You might recall a decade ago we traded almost the same pick for a guy who ended up retiring early due to back issues.

Time will tell! It could go either way.

The pick we traded for Carlisle was used on Aaron Francis, so even then it suits our argument over yours aha.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Even when 7 slides these are the guys we won't have access to.

What do you estimate the chances of those guys being as good as Sam Flanders?

 

[Yawkey way]

The pick we traded for Carlisle was used on Aaron Francis, so even then it suits our argument over yours aha.

Looked a superstar as captain of SA, it’s always a risk.

 

[Diehard Saint]

That makes me think of Schoenmaker who is uncontracted at this moment.
Will he have any trade value in two years' time given he is Tasmanian?
Will it be worthwhile to hang on to him until then (given our desire for list spots for other needs)?
His kicking can be a gamechanger, do we want to keep him on the list for what he offers the team?

Barely got a senior game this season and now there’ll be a lot more competition.

Highly doubt he’s going to get us any decent trade value, so is it really worth him taking a list spot?

 

[puntking]

So who is the next big dog? There is a reason why we gave pick 7 so quickly and without a fight

 

[billings2paddy]

What do you estimate the chances of those guys being as good as Sam Flanders?

18yr old Flanders would be higher than our pick 7 in this draft even if the draft was uncompromised

 

[stavro#4]

So who is the next big dog? There is a reason why we gave pick 7 so quickly and without a fight

We might get something back later from Gold Coast when they sort out their own deals

 

[Leap of Faith]

Not living up to your name there Leap

Just supporting St.Kilda is a l.o.f

 

[g_TRAIN]

18yr old Flanders would be higher than our pick 7 in this draft even if the draft was uncompromised

The fact is some of those guys might have a 20-30% chance of being a gun player at AFL level when you look at history and the picks they are projected go at.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

The pick we traded for Carlisle was used on Aaron Francis, so even then it suits our argument over yours aha.

Ironically, 10 years ago today!

 

[BrutThough]

The pick we traded for Carlisle was used on Aaron Francis, so even then it suits our argument over yours aha.

We shoulda just taken Gresham with pick 5

 

[Yawkey way]

Barely got a senior game this season and now there’ll be a lot more competition.

Highly doubt he’s going to get us any decent trade value, so is it really worth him taking a list spot

I think he has a lot of upside, I’d rather see Arie still there than a jones for example.

 

[ThomasR]

We just picked up a FT midfielder who came 3rd in their best and fairest and had the same amount of Brownlowe votes as McCluggage and more then Josh Dunkley, Sinclair and Max Holmes in 2024.

This all happened when played in his prefered position mid/HB

also worth noting the consistency of his performance, polling coaches votes in 13 games. only 2025 Nas, 2020-21 Steele and 2009 Dal & Roo have polled in more games in a single season for us. if he recaptures that form pick 8 is a steal. fingers crossed his back is okay. good business by both clubs