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Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)
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It’s a very well curated criteria you’ve got there to suit your point.
Yes in the last ten years we have won the same amount of premierships. Their last in 2015, ours in 2016. Yes we have made one more grand final. If you add just one more year on, they have made just as many grand finals and have one more premiership.
The bigger point is: Hawthorn have form, we do not. When they have a finals capable team, they make finals and win them. It may not be a linear performance from making finals, to prelims to grand finals year after year, but in their competing periods, they, well, compete.
Bulldogs on the other hand. We make three prelim finals in a row, and lose all of them. We make finals 4 years in a row, and in 3 of those years, we are not even in the game at half time of the very first final.
When we look like making finals and everyone tips us to, we miss out by a game or two. When people tip us to drop, we will scrounge together some strong wins to make it even thought it ultimately means nothing since we lose the first final.
People like predictability. They see Hawthorn, they see “okay these guys are looking like contending in finals for a few years and they are a shot in all of them”. People see us and go “they could lose to an objectively worse side/they have the best player in the comp and can’t improve/they’ll beat a great side then lose to no good sides and just miss out on finals” etcetera change the reason for each season, but there is always one.
Not sure if he’s a much of an upgrade on Bramble.
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You make some good points. Why is it that Hawthorn have finals form? Is it coaching, drafting, trading or culture. What's the difference here?
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We had a big crack at Wilkie
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Id rather go after quality than spuds like Aleer
Never said Aleer ...
But we seem to have one plan, Wilkie who was an extremely long shot, or bust and we take an even weaker backline into next year. A backline everyone acknowledges isn't getting squat done without reinforcements.
Throwing up our hands and saying "oh well noone was available " isn't going to cut it. People say contracts mean nothing these days, can't have it both ways.
Can you not see why people are annoyed
Swans would want at least a second you’d imagine. Can he fit in our back 7?
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He would definitely make us better. If we do 33 and Buku for 22 from the blues, I’d then pass 22 on to the swans for him. Takes JJs spot or is an upgrade on Bramble.
Could he provide speed and run on a wing? Allowing Williams to settle in the back 7?
People keep saying we will get internal improvement and make finals next year, where was this so called improvement the last 4 years? We haven't won a final since 2021. We can't bank on the young fellas suddenly improving and making us a contender.
Look at the type of players we brought in 2 years before 2021. Martin, Treloar, Keath, Bruce. All quality experienced players that improved the side. The last 2 years we have lost good players and brought in fringe midfielders in Kennedy and Harmes.
Look at the type of players we brought in 2 years before 2021. Martin, Treloar, Keath, Bruce. All quality experienced players that improved the side. The last 2 years we have lost good players and brought in fringe midfielders in Kennedy and Harmes.
Aleer gets interest, clubs go pick hunting, Dogs eye another father-son
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DOGS EYE ANOTHER DARCY
WESTERN Bulldogs father-son prospect Will Darcy is hopeful of joining brother Sam at the club as the Dogs eye another chapter to the Darcy legacy.Will, a versatile tall, is eligible for this year's draft after a big growth spurt late in his teens, and attended this month's national Telstra AFL Draft Combine.
Older brother Sam is a superstar of the competition, father Luke a former gun ruckman and current board member of the Dogs, while Luke's dad David also played more than 130 games for the Bulldogs.
Will told AFL.com.au at the Draft Combine that he was keen to add to the family's links at Mission Whitten Oval.
"I've done a bit of the father-son Academy and that's been good fun. This year I went down there every few Wednesdays and did some light touch work, some recovery and watched some vision. It was good fun," he said.
"I've always barracked for them since I was younger so it's always been the dream club to go to with all the history."
Darcy said he had always leant on Luke and his siblings through his footy journey.
"We've always gone for kicks and [Luke] has always kicked up high balls, for me and my older and younger brothers and done a heap of that," Darcy said.
"It's been pretty good watching [Sam]. He started off a little bit slower as he grew and that's what I've expected if I ever get to a club, I know it's going to take some time.
"A lot of work gets into things like getting into the gym and being patient and he set the tone knowing you should keep working through setbacks and keep going."
The Western Bulldogs only hold picks 12 and 33 currently in this year's draft, with list manager Michael Regan saying on Friday the club would finalise its draft plans for Darcy after the trade period.
"We're working through all of our options. We need to make sure we cover ourselves through the draft, but Will is an exciting prospect, his football has some really unique and special attributes for a 198cm [prospect]," Regan told Gettable on Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio.
"The important part with Will is he has a long-term focus on his career, which we do as well. Will has had less exposure to the pathways than most players and he has a lot of developing to do, but he's a really exciting prospect in terms of what he can do on-field and a really good person off it from a good family.
"They're the things we factor in and care deeply about in terms of bringing good people in. We'll let the process play out and be in touch with Will and his family as the trade period finishes up." – Callum Twomey
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Our first plan was JSOS.
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Was it? Were we linked to him all season or just in the period after the debacle versus Fremantle? We were told early doors that he wasn’t moving and he never actually gave the impression he wanted to leave. Just bumped his value up at St Kilda and got a few bills thrown his way
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And a little Butts crack
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Yes when you add in Dan Annable also.
Florent had a really down year this season but last year he was very good for them. He's more a utility player so can play any position. Would plug any weaknesses in the side for sure that's not KPP related.
We are all excited to have Will ... except Saints supporters.Aleer gets interest, clubs go pick hunting, Dogs eye another father-son
Check out all the latest trade news from around the League
DOGS EYE ANOTHER DARCY
WESTERN Bulldogs father-son prospect Will Darcy is hopeful of joining brother Sam at the club as the Dogs eye another chapter to the Darcy legacy.
Will, a versatile tall, is eligible for this year's draft after a big growth spurt late in his teens, and attended this month's national Telstra AFL Draft Combine.
Older brother Sam is a superstar of the competition, father Luke a former gun ruckman and current board member of the Dogs, while Luke's dad David also played more than 130 games for the Bulldogs.
Will told AFL.com.au at the Draft Combine that he was keen to add to the family's links at Mission Whitten Oval.
"I've done a bit of the father-son Academy and that's been good fun. This year I went down there every few Wednesdays and did some light touch work, some recovery and watched some vision. It was good fun," he said.
"I've always barracked for them since I was younger so it's always been the dream club to go to with all the history."
Darcy said he had always leant on Luke and his siblings through his footy journey.
"We've always gone for kicks and [Luke] has always kicked up high balls, for me and my older and younger brothers and done a heap of that," Darcy said.
"It's been pretty good watching [Sam]. He started off a little bit slower as he grew and that's what I've expected if I ever get to a club, I know it's going to take some time.
"A lot of work gets into things like getting into the gym and being patient and he set the tone knowing you should keep working through setbacks and keep going."
The Western Bulldogs only hold picks 12 and 33 currently in this year's draft, with list manager Michael Regan saying on Friday the club would finalise its draft plans for Darcy after the trade period.
"We're working through all of our options. We need to make sure we cover ourselves through the draft, but Will is an exciting prospect, his football has some really unique and special attributes for a 198cm [prospect]," Regan told Gettable on Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio.
"The important part with Will is he has a long-term focus on his career, which we do as well. Will has had less exposure to the pathways than most players and he has a lot of developing to do, but he's a really exciting prospect in terms of what he can do on-field and a really good person off it from a good family.
"They're the things we factor in and care deeply about in terms of bringing good people in. We'll let the process play out and be in touch with Will and his family as the trade period finishes up." – Callum Twomey
That said, we need experienced key defenders or we aren't going anywhere next year.
lachy
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These are nonsense posts. Who did Collingwood pick up to win the premiership in 2023?
Mids win flags and systems that enhance your strengths and protect your weaknesses. If we do not improve how we play and utilse what we have and pick up we will not be going anywhere
Yes we need ro improve systems, we have been saying that for years. Part of that though relies on having solid key defenders so we don't push up so much.
Relying on internal growth isn't going to cut it alone.
