Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[FootyLad0]

I think a deal will get done but it's not going to be easy and Cats fans saying Geelong don't care either way are off the mark in my opinion.

True just interesting to see the path forward.

I don't think it's a case of "not caring" i think it's a case of like Mackie said yesterday, "they are contracted players (Curnow/Marshall), we respect the process and are having a crack but fully understand what that means"

Mackie was being pretty pragmatic and honest about it all i would have thought?

The Cats fans saying Geelong would walk away aren't wrong or going on a limb because it has happened before.
Geelong are known for getting deals done and pushing it right to the deadline if they have to, to make it happen.
It happened with Jezza and Smith just recently.
I think what they are meaning to say is Geelong won't blindly sit there being desperate, they'll move on if they feel the juice isn't worth the squeeze and both sides don't come to the table (they should and i believe they will)

I can see them making it happen though for that future first in 2026, might not be what Cats fans want but i could see it happening.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think a deal will get done but it's not going to be easy and Cats fans saying Geelong don't care either way are off the mark in my opinion.

I think cats fans care but we've just seen us go into too many seasons without a serious ruck option to really fear a no trade outcome. Literally happens happens every year and doesn't seem to hurt us.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Still don't understand why you guys didn't select Dodson in last year's draft. Absolute madness.

I've got no view on Dodson. But we already had Edwards and Conway as developing pure rucks so didn't really need another one.

And Jacob Mollier who we took instead looks an absolutely unreal talent. Don't be surprised if he plays some games next year and people are asking where Geelong found him.

 

[FootyLad0]

100 Pages! Woohoo!

We survived the "Will he or won't he request a trade"

The Carlton fan invasion, the Dogs fans invasion, the "Max Holmes and 3 Firsts" demand and even the "The deal is dead.." or is it? from yesterday.

I'd like to personally thanks the Saints fans in here who have engaged in civil discussion that doesn't resort to name calling, ad hominem attacks or anything in bad taste.
Just two clubs with supporters having a chat during this beautiful Spring weather

Drink up lads and ladettes, its gonna be a fun week ahead!

 

[fpm84]

Does anybody genuinely think a deal won’t get done?

I’ll be shocked if it doesn’t. As with 99% of deals there is posturing on both sides, but something will get done, most likely 90 seconds before deadline so Fox/Kayo/SEN/Trade Radio get the BREAKING NEWS as it happens.

 

[Falchoon]

Did you forget to log in to the alt for this one?

It seems you do your best strawmanning under this account.

This thread's going the way of the Wilkie thread, see you next year for a 2nd.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

a) Your first pick is 50 in this draft. I get "not rating" a particular year, but to completely trade out of it and be left with literally nothing but poor picks is a bit extreme.

b) We could always trade 19 + F2 to a different club for their F1. I imagine teams like Port or Collingwood who have poor picks this year might look at trading back in. If we could get say Collingwood's F1, would you be satisfied they'll fall enough to make it worthwhile for you?

And this is an important part of it too. No doubt, Geelong has benefitted by securing prized recruits during this period over the past 10 years, with Dangerfield, Cameron and Smith in particular. But I'd argue that it's just important that we have consistently brought in 2-3 quality players from recent draft classes.

The 2023 draft was meant to be garbage and yet we've added O'Sullivan, Mannagh and Humphries (along with George Stevens and Mitch Edwards). And in previous recent years we've got (bolded are established senior players - or very close to)

2022: Jhye Clark, Oisin Mullin (also traded for Bruhn and O.Henry)
2021: Toby Conway, Mitch Knevitt, Ollie Dempsey
2020: Max Holmes, Shannon Neale (also Bruhn and Henry's draft year)
2019: Sam de Koning, Brad Close (also drafted Francis Evans, who's made huge strides at Carlton at the end of 2025)
2018: Tom Atkins (also drafted Jordan Clark and Darcy Fort, also Smith's draft year)
2017: Gryan Miers (also drafted Tim Kelly and Lachie Fogarty)
2016: Tom Stewart, Jack Henry, Zach Guthrie (also drafted Brandan Parfitt and Esava Ratugolea, also Bowes' draft year)

2024 is looking iffy at this stage, but you're willing to cop that for Bailey Smith.

But the bottom line is, it's easy to crunch the numbers and realise that even though it's great to hit the jackpot every so often with a Jeremy Cameron or a Patrick Dangerfield, you still need to hit the draft and you really need to extract some quality from it practically every year to build the core of a senior squad that can contend for a flag. And that drafting a player like Tim Kelly is crucial to allowing the Jeremy Cameron trade to happen.

So I'm a bit wary of just throwing draft picks down the drain. We did incredibly well in the 2023 draft and 2020 looks like another one where we did exceptionally well, considering the talent pool. We may not have a long-term player from the 2024 draft, so to me the 2025 draft is shaping up as a very important one.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Does anybody genuinely think a deal won’t get done?

I’ll be shocked if it doesn’t. As with 99% of deals there is posturing on both sides, but something will get done, most likely 90 seconds before deadline so Fox/Kayo/SEN/Trade Radio get the BREAKING NEWS as it happens.

I wouldn't be shocked if a deal doesn't get done.

Stkilda are either bluffing that they really want to keep them and a deal will get done for what is already on the table plus steak knives. Or they genuinely do want to keep him and they won't trade him.

Geelong aren't going to suddenly offer massive overs to convince Stkilda to trade a player they genuinely want to keep.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Conway who?

See post #2471. When they lobbed up at their current clubs, it was "Max Gawn who?", "Tristan Xerri who?", "Darcy Cameron who?", "Lloyd Meek who?", "Jarrod Witts who?"

I reckon paying top dollar (whether in terms of salary/trade or both) for import ruckmen in their prime would be a good way to go broke.

 

[BrutThough]

a) Your first pick is 50 in this draft. I get "not rating" a particular year, but to completely trade out of it and be left with literally nothing but poor picks is a bit extreme.

b) We could always trade 19 + F2 to a different club for their F1. I imagine teams like Port or Collingwood who have poor picks this year might look at trading back in. If we could get say Collingwood's F1, would you be satisfied they'll fall enough to make it worthwhile for you?

Not really. We've drafted 11 kids over the past two years plus brought in 2 young Irish kids and nailed a mid0season draftee. Three who we drafted last yer are still 18 so they are very young and we don't have a huge need to bring in more from that age bracket.

We are in a completely fine position to just take our NGA player in this years draft. So no, we dont need to take picks from the years draft for Marshall.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We have made it pretty clear we don’t really want to trade him but if Geelong were to put a overs offer forward we would consider it , what Geelong has offered is not bad , but you don’t get contracted required players for a fair price, we probably overpaid for Flanders but we decided it was worth it because he would fill a significant need, Geelong will need to make decision as well

Strange point to make considering you guys were looking to trade your next 3 first round picks

Yes but st kilda know Geelong dont pay overs so if you weren't trading him without it then any negotiation is a waste of time. So why string people along and do that? Just tell marshall hes not getting traded and dont waste anyone's time. I understand what youre saying about the decision itself but the communication of said decision seems pretty odd.

 

[iameviljez]

There seems to be little acknowledgement from Cats fans that he's on a front loaded contract with another two years, and like the cliche which is usually rolled out at this time of year, he's genuinely a required player. There's still massive question marks over King's ability to play. Marshall may not be an A grade forward, but he's a good one that'll take a tall defender off Sharman and Owens, who had to play against the first choice backman this year.

We paid overs for Flanders because he was contracted for another two years. Obviously we are going to expect Geelong to do the same if they genuinely want Marshall. So a trade would only occur on our terms.

I’m not sure why the front loading matters to Geelong supporters?

Whether he's a "required" player as such is up to StKilda, but it seems unlikely that a wantaway backup ruck pinch-hitting out of position is actually all that required.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It seems you do your best strawmanning under this account.

This thread's is going the way of the Wilkie thread, see you next year for a 2nd.

The wording just implied you were talking to saints fans as a non-saints fan is all

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not really. We've drafted 11 kids over the past two years plus brought in 2 young Irish kids and nailed a mid0season draftee. Three who we drafted last yer are still 18 so they are very young and we don't have a huge need to bring in more from that age bracket.

We are in a completely fine position to just take our NGA player in this years draft. So no, we dont need to take picks from the years draft for Marshall.

Your drafting recently has been pretty good. There was a lean patch before that though

 

[TheCattery2007]

I’m not sure why the front loading matters to Geelong supporters?

Whether he's a "required" player as such is up to StKilda, but it seems unlikely that a wantaway backup ruck pinch-hitting out of position is actually all that required.

I still don’t see the Saints making the 8 this year. Which team do they squeeze out? Dogs will improve more than Saints. Saints are better off taking at least one first rounder into the draft. At the moment their draft hand is horrible.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I wouldn't be shocked if a deal doesn't get done.

Stkilda are either bluffing that they really want to keep them and a deal will get done for what is already on the table plus steak knives. Or they genuinely do want to keep him and they won't trade him.

Geelong aren't going to suddenly offer massive overs to convince Stkilda to trade a player they genuinely want to keep.

Yeah, I feel like this one's different a bit different to some of those ones where you simply can't see the player remaining at his current club. I could be wrong, but I feel like if it were to not get done and Marshall just went back to St Kilda, it would just be a footnote and people would forget about it pretty quickly. Like Josh Dunkley to Essendon.

We had similar with Tim Kelly wanting to go to West Coast when he was still contracted, the Eagles couldn't satisfy our demands and had to wait a year to pick him up as a free agent.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Yes but st kilda know Geelong dont pay overs so if you weren't trading him without it then any negotiation is a waste of time. So why string people along and do that? Just tell marshall hes not getting traded and dont waste anyone's time. I understand what youre saying about the decision itself but the communication of said decision seems pretty odd.

We've asked for future pick/s to be involved
Geelong's best offer has been its 1st pick for this year.
Why is that odd? ffs

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yeah, I feel like this one's different a bit different to some of those ones where you simply can't see the player remaining at his current club. I could be wrong, but I feel like if it were to not get done and Marshall just went back to St Kilda, it would just be a footnote and people would forget about it pretty quickly. Like Josh Dunkley to Essendon.

We had similar with Tim Kelly wanting to go to West Coast when he was still contracted, the Eagles couldn't satisfy our demands and had to wait a year to pick him up as a free agent.

I think it's a bit different to Dunkley in that Marshall is a ruck who, if the trade doesn't happen, will be put in a role that takes 3-5 years to learn at age 30. 80% forecast of a Grundy-Gawn outcome, whereas Dunkley just went back to the midfield until he was ooc

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Yes but st kilda know Geelong dont pay overs so if you weren't trading him without it then any negotiation is a waste of time. So why string people along and do that? Just tell marshall hes not getting traded and dont waste anyone's time. I understand what youre saying about the decision itself but the communication of said decision seems pretty odd.

Yes but st kilda know Geelong dont pay overs so if you weren't trading him without it then any negotiation is a waste of time. So why string people along and do that? Just tell marshall hes not getting traded and dont waste anyone's time. I understand what youre saying about the decision itself but the communication of said decision seems pretty odd.

This is all on Mackie he has misled your club and supporters, his not a rookie at this he would have known all along that trading for a contracted player is not easy why would any club do another competitor a favour unless they we’re going to gain significantly why would we just do a fair deal , our club has been clear from the start that we were keeping him Mackie has been the one stating he will get a deal done so he is the one wasting peoples time it’s on him to make a deal happen

 

[Sheepey]

I’m not sure why the front loading matters to Geelong supporters?

Whether he's a "required" player as such is up to StKilda, but it seems unlikely that a wantaway backup ruck pinch-hitting out of position is actually all that required.

Front loading matters because he wouldn't be a salary dump. He's not on much money for the remaining two years of his contract, and the narrative seems to be that the Saints need to shed players to stay within the cap. There's no reason to do it with Marshall, so there's little incentive for us to part with him unless Geelong offer overs.

 

[Atomboy]

Yes but st kilda know Geelong dont pay overs so if you weren't trading him without it then any negotiation is a waste of time. So why string people along and do that? Just tell marshall hes not getting traded and dont waste anyone's time. I understand what youre saying about the decision itself but the communication of said decision seems pretty odd.

Mackie might need to get a new approach when trying to poach contracted players like Marshall and Curnow then.

 

[Falchoon]

The wording just implied you were talking to saints fans as a non-saints fan is all

It needed quotation marks, my mobile phone game is not strong.

 

[FootyLad0]

I’m confused as to how people are speaking soo directly on behalf of the list mangers attitudes and feelings and how they are approaching things outside of what has been directly quoted?
People saying that this list manager lied to this fanbase and this is manager is doing “ABC” based on assumption “XYZ” is pretty hilarious.

We aren’t in the rooms or on the phone calls so it’s wild to make character assumptions based on that.
We need Wednesday to hurry up, the fake bluster and posturing in here is hilarious.

Also, “Max Holmes and 3 Firsts”

 

[Count_Zero]

You do understand the massive problem with that logic don't you?

Nope, please explain it to me and make it as simple as possible.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Mackie might need to get a new approach when trying to poach contracted players like Marshall and Curnow then.

Mackie and his current approach work fine but thanks for your concern.