Traded Charlie Curnow [Traded with #31, #42, '27 R2 (Carl) to Sydney for Hayward, #11, '26 & '27 R1 (Syd)]

[pressurepoint]

No, you’re in this thread complaining and bullying everyone because you think your club should get Curnow for magic beans.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Difficult to say given the AFL have made nothing public about it. Apparently the clubs have been told which is something I guess.

Could be a driver in Mackie valuing his future firsts

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Could be a record number of sacked managers this trade period lmao

 

[btdg]

You want Sydney and Geelong to be clairvoyants or something? It's all well and good to be telling clubs in trade discussions to do Carlton's job for them.

But this has the downside of potentially ruining the relationship that Sydney and Geelong have built with their players by essentially signalling to some of them that they don't value them as much as some other player on another team by asking them if they'd like to move to a poorly performing club (in the case of Geelong to Carlton) to facilitate that trade.

Screw that, if Carlton is interested in a player at Geelong (maybe Sydney feel differently) you have to reach out to them yourselves and signal interest, not expect Geelong to damage their relationship with their players in a fishing expedition to get a trade done.

This also solves the issue of quickly finding out which player Carlton is actually interested in instead of Geelong going in a fishing expedition until they finally arrive at the player Carlton thinks would make a fair trade, potentially upsetting half the team in the process.

But Carlton don't want to trade Charlie Curnow?

He's contracted for four more years. We don't have to trade him. We don't have a replacement full forward ready to go. Our other key forward has had concussion and other on-field problems.

We're also at a bit of a cross-roads as a club. Our coach has one more year left on his contract and we're coming off a down (but not THAT bad year- we still finished 11th). We've lost Docherty, TDK and Silvagni, and brought in Ainsworth and Chesser and are chasing some other mature recruits...

This year, we don't seem that interested in the draft as it's not that strong, we brought in a lot of young guys last year who are still proving themselves, and we have a couple of F/S and academy prospects that we've a) got the currency for and b) fit really well into the list.

It makes a lot more sense for us to just keep Charlie, see how it all looks in what will likely be a bounce-back year for a few players, and hopefully a longer offseason and a cleaner bill of health. There's still plenty of top end talent if we bookend the team with Weitering/Curnow/McKay and roll out Cripps/Walsh plus depth in the midfield. If we don't like how it looks next year, then we're probably moving onto a new coach, and maybe a bit more trading Curnow (and potentially Walsh leaving as a FA) allows a new group to shape the list whatever way they want, via a much deeper draft - and can just take two first round picks NEXT year in addition to Walker and load up then.

The only person who doesn't seem to get this is Curnow's peanut of an agent, who is repeating his failed Petracca moves from last year. To what end, I'm not sure - he wrote the contract that Curnow has now, knows exactly what that means, and yet still seems to think he can publicly play this out in a way that benefits his client

But it's not on Carlton to go shopping for players for a trade we don't really want to make, and in particular, that Geelong won't release anyway. Seriously - who are you giving up that moves the needle for Carlton? Because if they don't actually make us better, why would we trade him? There's a list of Geelong players that would make us better by filling glaring gaps, but given we're losing Curnow we need TWO of them (ie: to actually surpass his value) - to me that's probably TWO of Dempsey, Miers, SDK, Neale, etc. Is that on the table? If not, why would we bother?

There IS a path to getting Curnow and it's not a handful of hypothetical draft picks.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Well STFU then. Why are you in this thread complaining about Carlton not accepting the magic beans offer, you grifting keyboard hero?

 

[randyzany]

But Carlton don't want to trade Charlie Curnow?

He's contracted for four more years. We don't have to trade him. We don't have a replacement full forward ready to go. Our other key forward has had concussion and other on-field problems.

We're also at a bit of a cross-roads as a club. Our coach has one more year left on his contract and we're coming off a down (but not THAT bad year- we still finished 11th). We've lost Docherty, TDK and Silvagni, and brought in Ainsworth and Chesser and are chasing some other mature recruits...

This year, we don't seem that interested in the draft as it's not that strong, we brought in a lot of young guys last year who are still proving themselves, and we have a couple of F/S and academy prospects that we've a) got the currency for and b) fit really well into the list.

It makes a lot more sense for us to just keep Charlie, see how it all looks in what will likely be a bounce-back year for a few players, and hopefully a longer offseason and a cleaner bill of health. There's still plenty of top end talent if we bookend the team with Weitering/Curnow/McKay and roll out Cripps/Walsh plus depth in the midfield. If we don't like how it looks next year, then we're probably moving onto a new coach, and maybe a bit more trading Curnow (and potentially Walsh leaving as a FA) allows a new group to shape the list whatever way they want, via a much deeper draft - and can just take two first round picks NEXT year in addition to Walker and load up then.

The only person who doesn't seem to get this is Curnow's peanut of an agent, who is repeating his failed Petracca moves from last year. To what end, I'm not sure - he wrote the contract that Curnow has now, knows exactly what that means, and yet still seems to think he can publicly play this out in a way that benefits his client

But it's not on Carlton to go shopping for players for a trade we don't really want to make, and in particular, that Geelong won't release anyway. Seriously - who are you giving up that moves the needle for Carlton? Because if they don't actually make us better, why would we trade him? There's a list of Geelong players that would make us better by filling glaring gaps, but given we're losing Curnow we need TWO of them (ie: to actually surpass his value) - to me that's probably TWO of Dempsey, Miers, SDK, Neale, etc. Is that on the table? If not, why would we bother?

There IS a path to getting Curnow and it's not a handful of hypothetical draft picks.

Curnow is gone, whether is this year or the next or to Geelong, Sydney or some other club you're merely delaying the inevitable. This is now a salvaging process that Carlton is reluctant to accept but will eventually have to, just like Geelong did with Kelly, GAJ and the Dees with Trac and Clarry. Them's the break I'm afraid, trust me you don't want to keep a player that doesn't want to be there, it'll all end in tears.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

But Carlton don't want to trade Charlie Curnow?

He's contracted for four more years. We don't have to trade him. We don't have a replacement full forward ready to go. Our other key forward has had concussion and other on-field problems.

We're also at a bit of a cross-roads as a club. Our coach has one more year left on his contract and we're coming off a down (but not THAT bad year- we still finished 11th). We've lost Docherty, TDK and Silvagni, and brought in Ainsworth and Chesser and are chasing some other mature recruits...

This year, we don't seem that interested in the draft as it's not that strong, we brought in a lot of young guys last year who are still proving themselves, and we have a couple of F/S and academy prospects that we've a) got the currency for and b) fit really well into the list.

It makes a lot more sense for us to just keep Charlie, see how it all looks in what will likely be a bounce-back year for a few players, and hopefully a longer offseason and a cleaner bill of health. There's still plenty of top end talent if we bookend the team with Weitering/Curnow/McKay and roll out Cripps/Walsh plus depth in the midfield. If we don't like how it looks next year, then we're probably moving onto a new coach, and maybe a bit more trading Curnow (and potentially Walsh leaving as a FA) allows a new group to shape the list whatever way they want, via a much deeper draft - and can just take two first round picks NEXT year in addition to Walker and load up then.

The only person who doesn't seem to get this is Curnow's peanut of an agent, who is repeating his failed Petracca moves from last year. To what end, I'm not sure - he wrote the contract that Curnow has now, knows exactly what that means, and yet still seems to think he can publicly play this out in a way that benefits his client

But it's not on Carlton to go shopping for players for a trade we don't really want to make, and in particular, that Geelong won't release anyway. Seriously - who are you giving up that moves the needle for Carlton? Because if they don't actually make us better, why would we trade him? There's a list of Geelong players that would make us better by filling glaring gaps, but given we're losing Curnow we need TWO of them (ie: to actually surpass his value) - to me that's probably TWO of Dempsey, Miers, SDK, Neale, etc. Is that on the table? If not, why would we bother?

There IS a path to getting Curnow and it's not a handful of hypothetical draft picks.

Well i dont think thats very good advice he is advising to his client he would know the difficulties of being released from a contract of that magnitude especially the season Carlton have had.

Sounds like lots of promises made to Curnow which could end up him having his tail between his legs back to Carlton.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

No need to get upset Arty, you get very upset when Geelong can’t get players for a packet of twisties. Now now.

You are like a bad smelling turd that won't flush.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Curnow is gone, whether is this year or the next or to Geelong, Sydney or some other club you're merely delaying the inevitable. This is now a salvaging process that Carlton is reluctant to accept but will eventually have to, just like Geelong did with Kelly, GAJ and the Dees with Trac and Clarry. Them's the break I'm afraid, trust me you don't want to keep a player that doesn't want to be there, it'll all end in tears.

This is true Daniher also.

Fact of the matter is Melbourne could of well been on their way to finializing their rebuild had they traded Oliver and Trac 24 months ago.

Very few instances happen like Papley.

 

[Bagger72]

Curnow is gone, whether is this year or the next or to Geelong, Sydney or some other club you're merely delaying the inevitable. This is now a salvaging process that Carlton is reluctant to accept but will eventually have to, just like Geelong did with Kelly, GAJ and the Dees with Trac and Clarry. Them's the break I'm afraid, trust me you don't want to keep a player that doesn't want to be there, it'll all end in tears.

blah blah blah

Ryan Okeefe - denied trade to Hawthorn then Carlton
Gary Buckenara - denied trade to West coast
Tom Papley - denied trade to Carlton
Harrison Petty - denied trade to Adelaide

 

[Bagger72]

This is true Daniher also.

Fact of the matter is Melbourne could of well been on their way to finializing their rebuild had they traded Oliver and Trac 24 months ago.

Very few instances happen like Papley.

Melbourne want pick 6 + 7 for the Trac or he is staying.

 

[btdg]

Curnow is gone, whether is this year or the next or to Geelong, Sydney or some other club you're merely delaying the inevitable. This is now a salvaging process that Carlton is reluctant to accept but will eventually have to, just like Geelong did with Kelly, GAJ and the Dees with Trac and Clarry. Them's the break I'm afraid, trust me you don't want to keep a player that doesn't want to be there, it'll all end in tears.

Great - like I said, next year's draft is much better and deeper, and we're better off waiting.

He'll still have a 3-year contract then, but maybe after a year we settle for a couple of mid-first round picks in a stronger draft, giving us 3 top 10 picks in what looks a ripper draft. We'll know exactly where Geelong/Sydney's picks sit, as well.

We'll know what is happening with the coach, either way, which will help with decision making as well.

In terms of players, waiting a year also gives Hudson O'Keefe another year to hit the gym - he looked ok this year, but not ready to be a second banana. Or maybe he doesn't work out, and we know that so we go hunting (or draft) that extra backup bid. I'd much rather be making the decision in 12 months time, that's for sure.

And who knows - teams that get belted in the grand final (from Sydney 2024, to Sydney 2022, to the Bulldogs 2021, to... well it goes on) have a habit of dropping down the ladder. The whole thing is probably a bit easier if Geelong miss the finals, their first pick is pick 7, and they've got a bunch of old blokes in their 30s retiring cos they think its done.

 

[Edmund hunt]

If it's true that the Calton recruitment team went to Sydney to do some medicals with a couple of Swans players then both clubs would know what a deal should look like.

 

[carlton_99]

If it's true that the Calton recruitment team when to Sydney to do some medicals with a couple of Swans players then both clubs would know what a deal should look like.

Do clubs still do this? Feel like players can do a medical anywhere nowadays and the club will just get the results

 

[Edmund hunt]

Do clubs still do this? Feel like players can do a medical anywhere nowadays and the club will just get the results

Well apparently they were seen boarding a plane to Sydney. Could have been going for a weekend swim at Bondi. Who knows what's going on.

 

[Bagger72]

Americanizationion of AFL is running rampant and becoming more and more of a meat market.

NBA popularity has fallen off the cliff as kids following their their favorite player move elsewhere and lose interest in the sport.

Kids that watch Harley Reid will be shattered if he moves to another club and likely stop watching football.

Kids want loyalty and players they can cheer for. I suspect AFL is heading towards the NBA direction.

 

[carlton_99]

You'd think if Swans are trying to get Curnow to tour the facilities in the coming days they must have some sort of confidence that they can get a deal done with a significant offer

 

[CakeEater]

So um Freo can offer you a packet of half sucked twisties &JOM

How about it Carlton?

 

[carlton_99]

So um Freo can offer you a packet of half sucked twisties &JOM

How about it Carlton?

I'd rather Goldberg than JOM tbh

 

[CakeEater]

I'd rather Goldberg than JOM tbh

Well he appears to have a good kick on him

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Thing is if the Blues don't take the three (3) first rounders on offer early enough, one (1) of those will be shipped to the Saints for Marshall once they cave, leaving only two (2) first rounders for the Blues. The clock is ticking, Geelong first rounders are going fast, so get 'em while you can.

It’s cute thinking picks in the 20’s are “firsts”. The Blues have already said it’s nowhere near enough and they are right.

Trade up get a top 5-10 pick this year then tmtalk. Otherwise go and take Marshall for a f1 and be done

 

[carlton_99]

Well he appears to have a good kick on him

Wrong one - thought you'd be all over it given your profile picture/name

 

[Pure_Ownage]

No, you’re in this thread complaining and bullying everyone because you think your club should get Curnow for magic beans.

Which alias account is this?

 

[CakeEater]

Wrong one...

Oh.

well at least his farts would create seperation in your fwd line.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If it's true that the Calton recruitment team went to Sydney to do some medicals with a couple of Swans players then both clubs would know what a deal should look like.

Was Agresta and Luff and I believe the story was that they were going to talk to a few players rather than completing medicals.