List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[bzparkes]

So we’ve once again gone from moving up the board to splitting a top 2 pick, proving my point that we made it harder for ourselves.

No one said the goal is to win trade week, but constantly being involved deals where the other team clearly ends up being the happier party is frustrating.

We can't move up the board anymore because GC are going to trade the picks to Melbourne, thus the only team that actually needed the points to begin with would no longer hold the picks.

This has nothing to do with pick 38, nor do WCE have any control over that outcome, so why would anyone melt over it?

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

The job isn't to win trade week, it's to improve the side moving forward. That's happened and we still have the opportunity to improve further on draft night if Essendon or Melbourne get desperate for pick 2.

People like to question where this apparent 'goodwill' comes from for easily facilitating trades but it's not just the clubs WCE are trying to work with, there's the player managers also.

We also won't be using pick 38 anyway, so I don't see any point getting nitpicky over using that or 41.

I think that's a bit of a strange take re not winning trade week not being the job. Obviously, but equally obviously the outcomes of trade week will impact on how well we improve our side or not. You could also apply your logic to the draft as well, our job is not to draft good players but rather to improve the side.

Overall I agree it's only 3 picks and we may not need that pick. But the obvious counter argument is that it's also only 3 picks from Richmond's perspective as well, so why are we the ones (seemingly always) the one to compromise?

 

[Farmer Lister]

And now we wait for the big fish...

The Big Polony

Come on down Devon Robertson. Hope I get you in the sponsor draft!

 

[TY24]

People in reality gonna notice reality

If both sets of fans are unhappy that's the sign of a fair trade.

I've got better things to do with my time than waste energy being outraged over a 3 pick difference in the 40's, personally.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If both sets of fans are unhappy that's the sign of a fair trade.

I've got better things to do with my time than waste energy being outraged over a 3 pick difference in the 40's, personally.

Pick 41 shouldnt have been on the table either. Pick 53 was what it should have been

Pick 34,38,41 were all needed to get into the top 7 with Hawks 1st and we cant do that now...

 

[WCErevival]

Richmond wanted our pick 34. We didnt give it to them. People are still melting because we didn't get Young for pick 78. Who cares ffs. We still have 4 picks before the pick we traded for Young.

 

[Astro7]

Tylar looks fine, is speedy and a good kick, has some experience, is the right age as a plug-gap player and another senior Tiger to gel with Bakes, Graham and Mini.
Don't care about under+overs, we're getting what we targeted to move out of the trenches, not just lucky dips.
Now let's get those midfielders!

 

[Obeanie1]

You did tho

so I can see why they are interested.

Understanding why someone may be intersted is not knowing they are interested.

Two very different things.

Anyway......what's your point. Splitting grammar hairs here.......

I can see why GWS being interested.

I don't know if they actually are.

Does that clear it up for you?

 

[eaglevision]

Having a player agent mad at you vs getting Ah Chee for free. I know which one I'd pick. Screw those guys, surely that's some sort of illegal draft tampering.

Put it this way, if Connors was managing Aleer, he’d be at the Saints. Geish also has Harley.

Even if it was a minnow agent, we’re the nice guys remember?

 

[Altum Volantes]

Its a case of being in the power position and still finding a way to lose that annoys me the most. Both Starcevich/Young overpays have cost us the chance of moving that Hawk 1st rounder into the top 10 when its all said and done

Christ you are miserable.

Calm down.

Even it we do pull off a trade to get back into the top 10, you'll still cry about it being an overpayment. Guaranteed.

 

[CountryLad]

Sounds like the views of a few individual posters, not everyone.

Going into this trade period, I thought Starc for the assistance pick and hoped Young for Chesser. Sad for Ryan leaving but not about the trade. This isn't the trade period (so far!) to be upset. Unless you wanted to WIN the trade period, that's going to end in upset more often than not.

Agree with this. Some posters set themselves up to melt by setting the expectation bar in the win the trade setting.

It’s already happening with the bid on the suns kids at pick one and get Patterson. It’s not happening, no club has bid on a player at pick one yet and that includes Dacios, the Ashcroft’s and Sam Darcy. All more worthy of pick one status than the Academy kids this year.
It’s not happening but you watch posters in here convince themselves.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Richmond wanted our pick 34. We didnt give it to them. People are still melting because we didn't get Young for pick 78. Who cares ffs. We still have 4 picks before the pick we traded for Young.

True but I certainly wanted more than 41 for Campbell Chesser and I sincerely hope the club did as well. Yes tylar has shown a bit more than Chess but he's also 4-5 years older. The fact that Richmond wanted 34 shouldn't be the benchmark price of a fair deal.

 

[Patron]

We still have 41, is there even really that big of a difference between 38 and 41?

Like points value wise for bids or whatever?

It's 57 points difference, which is the equivalent of pick 51. Not massive but not immaterial when we seem to be losing these small amounts on every trade. It's death by a 100 cuts, and I struggle to see how we get the GC pick and have points to safely match our guys without trading back from pick 2.

 

[bzparkes]

Its a case of being in the power position and still finding a way to lose that annoys me the most. Both Starcevich/Young overpays have cost us the chance of moving that Hawk 1st rounder into the top 10 when its all said and done

How were we ever going to move it to begin with, considering GC was the only option?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Richmond wanted our pick 34. We didnt give it to them. People are still melting because we didn't get Young for pick 78. Who cares ffs. We still have 4 picks before the pick we traded for Young.

The people who want to slide pick 13 down to pick 7 and 8 should care? It ruins that chance altogether in reality

 

[bzparkes]

I think that's a bit of a strange take re not winning trade week not being the job. Obviously, but equally obviously the outcomes of trade week will impact on how well we improve our side or not. You could also apply your logic to the draft as well, our job is not to draft good players but rather to improve the side.

Overall I agree it's only 3 picks and we may not need that pick. But the obvious counter argument is that it's also only 3 picks from Richmond's perspective as well, so why are we the ones (seemingly always) the one to compromise?

Does it matter? Why spend 3 days haggling over a 3 pick difference when you can just use a pick you're never going to use anyway, have the player & manager happy that it got sorted easily and move onto whatever's next?

 

[Obeanie1]

Any competent list manager would’ve got the Young deal done for a pick in the 50’s or at least 41, people will say it’s not worth sooking over but can you imagine when we’re involved in a bigger deal?

We have no idea how to exploit leverage and people really think we’ll bid on kids at 1 and 2, lol.

Forever the nice guys but that good will is never returned to us.

You mean like Brisbane about to delist Dev so we can add him to the rookie list for free and therefore not use a main list spot on?

Also means another club can't take him in a draft.

That sort of give and take good will?

 

[Altum Volantes]

True but I certainly wanted more than 41 for Campbell Chesser and I sincerely hope the club did as well. Yes tylar has shown a bit more than Chess but he's also 4-5 years older. The fact that Richmond wanted 34 shouldn't be the benchmark price of a fair deal.

What were you thinking we would get for Campbell Chesser?

Campbell Chesser as he stands right now - uncontracted wantaway, injury plagued, good games countable on 1 hand Campbell Chesser - not All Australian Wingmen who leads Carlton back to the promise land Campbell Chesser.

Some of you need to stay on Facebook and scream into the nuffie void.

 

[Bender_]

The people who want to slide pick 13 down to pick 7 and 8 should care? It ruins that chance altogether in reality

THOSE PICKS AREN'T AVAILABLE DUE TO EXTERNAL CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND OUR CONTROL.

 

[bzparkes]

It's 57 points difference, which is the equivalent of pick 51. Not massive but not immaterial when we seem to be losing these small amounts on every trade. It's death by a 100 cuts, and I struggle to see how we get the GC pick and have points to safely match our guys without trading back from pick 2.

GC look likely to trade both picks out for Petracca, so it's a completely moot point now.

 

[Weshi]

The shitting the pants, wetting the bed crew are in fine form.
Trade period to date, have we improved our list with Starcevich, Young and Robertson.
Starc definitely is straight into our best 22.
Young looks likely to be Key Defender 2.
Robertson solid grunt mid possibly 22 or upgrade the WAFL.
We still have picks 1,2 and 13, plus a number of later picks.
We were well positioned for the GCS pick but that looks likely tied up with Petracca.
So know we are in a position to look at other options, upgrade 13 to Carlton Pick if we see value in the upgrade.
The only other I see is Brisbanes pick or trade into 2026.
Ryan leaving, I think was understandable as he looks like he needed a change.
Chesser, not sure the impact here?
Plus with all our known deals seemingly done we can watch and wait to see if any opportunities come along.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What were you thinking we would get for Campbell Chesser?

Campbell Chesser as he stands right now - uncontracted wantaway, injury plagued, good games countable on 1 hand Campbell Chesser - not All Australian Wingmen who leads Carlton back to the promise land Campbell Chesser.

Some of you need to stay on Facebook and scream into the nuffie void.

Id have held firm on upgrading pick 13 to pick 10.

We have seen that holds more value then the pick 41 we got

 

[mattyc75]

Geez, I know when you break it down to 3 picks it doesn't sound like a lot.

But I'd never heard of Tylar Young before, had to ask Richmond supporters who he was and was he any good?
That was our picks in the 50s if ever I've seen a trade. 38 is significant overs, the fact it was more than Chesser shows we are weak at the trade table at the moment.

Malcolm Rosas went for picks in the 50s.

I know a lot of people are really happy with the trade period at the moment, but I think you're accepting mediocrity.
Can you honestly say we've done really well?

Chesser for 41 - Blues win that deal.
Ryan and 27' F3 for F2 - Saints win that deal.
Young for 38 - Tigers win that deal.
The mega trade for Starvevich was even.

So if you sum up all of the above, we're down in trade week.

For a club on it's knees, you need to eek as much value out of trade week as possible. We simply haven't done that.
The good clubs do, Cats and Brisbane are relentless in trade week. We are not.

Without the knee injury Young would've played significantly more games, still got quality games after the knee despite Richmond having plenty of good players down back
Chesser was gifted games in a crap team with no depth, didn't earn it. We did ok.

 

[Obeanie1]

I also find it funny how this board goes from “Starcevich shouldn’t cost more than the Hawks 2nd”, “Young shouldn’t cost more than a pick in the 50’s”, “Ryan is a contracted player, we’re better of keeping him than a F2” to we’ve done awesome in every deal, it’s pure copium.

Ok. Quote anyone who has said "we have done awesome in every deal".

No-one has posted that. Except you just did.

So you make up a silly statement that you claim others have said.....stand back and then say "that's ridiculous".

When no-one actually said that.

It's like listening to Trump dribble on how he see's the world.....pure fantasy.

 

[Patron]

Will also note that pick 38 is the R2 pick we received from Hawthorn for Barrass

So one year on we’ve replaced TB with Young and still have the R1 pick, which we’ve moved up 4 spots, to use

This makes it seem like okay trading, but it rings extremely hollow when you reflect that North traded pick 27 last year for their future first this year. If we kept last years pick we could have had murphy Reid, or pick 3 this year.

We would have been much better off not trading out of the 2024 draft.