Traded Charlie Curnow [Traded with #31, #42, '27 R2 (Carl) to Sydney for Hayward, #11, '26 & '27 R1 (Syd)]

[carlton_99]

It's a decent trade, teams have traded pick 1 before though and Freo got pick 2 for Lachie Weller ffs. I'd consider that a bigger trade than pick 11 (will become 15 on draft night) and a late future first with 2 average players. Also the Judd trade was 3 + 20 + Kennedy wasnt it? That's far more than this offer.

I mean Florent is virtually a salary dump for Sydney given he's contracted for 4 more years and was playing VFL this season in an average team.

Florent was a lock at HB under Longmire who had his team playing the best transition footy in the competition. Pick 1/2 isn't better than 2 first rounders and two players IMO.

3 + 20 + Kennedy might just be ahead given the draft wasn't as compromised as it is now but it's not like Kennedy had shown a heap at the point he was traded. Think we got something back with Judd in that deal as well.

 

[banzai]

So hayward is not really in it having been sold a vision. Just wants his pay day like Jack and TDK.

How does Hayward get a better deal than 4 years no doubt already on decent money?

At the start of this Carlton were all saying A-grade players only for Curnow, now it's looking like Florent and Hayward lol.

 

[carlton_99]

So hayward is not really in it having been sold a vision. Just wants his pay day like Jack and TDK.

Lots of modal verbs in that report for my liking

 

[FootyLad0]

I think this will get through - we are going to have a very different looking team next season.

Inclusions from last years final round - Kemp, Cottrell, Smith, Newman, Ainsworth, Chesser, Hayward, Florent, Reidy, Dean and Ison

Exits - SOS, TDK, Charlie and Durdin.

Our hope is to see our C+ youngsters move into B grade - O. Hollands, Cowan, Lord, Carroll, Motlop, OFarrell and Moir.

Just need a gun key forward as I dont think we will get more than 30 goals from McGovern. Keeping E Hollands and commitment will be a bonus.

If that's the Ins and Outs for 2026 i am sorry but they'll be lucky to win 9 games.
I can see Ainsworth having a big year and some growth from some youngsters but you don't lose TDK, Curnow and JSos (who was having a great season) and get better.

 

[banzai]

Florent was a lock at HB under Longmire who had his team playing the best transition footy in the competition. Pick 1/2 isn't better than 2 first rounders and two players IMO.

3 + 20 + Kennedy might just be ahead given the draft wasn't as compromised as it is now but it's not like Kennedy had shown a heap at the point he was traded. Think we got something back with Judd in that deal as well.

Yeah that's fair. Personally Id prefer the higher pick, if I could package that all up for 1 or 2 Id do it straight away (like you did for Jagger last year).

Florent and Hayward arent cheap either, both on long term contracts and no doubt decent money. The post above suggests Hayward wants even more money to move as well.

 

[blaisee]

Sad watching Charlie flying all over Australia prostituting himself like Bonnie Blue.

Oh how far Charlie has fallen in a very short period of time.

um, no, not really

He is just desperate to get out, willing to take a $1 million pay cut, and move interstate to get away from Carlton

He thinks the club is garbage, says alot more about the blues than charlie to be fair

 

[Bagger72]

If that's the Ins and Outs for 2026 i am sorry but they'll be lucky to win 9 games.

We are losing 1 x A grader and 2 B graders and adding 6 B graders and 2 youngsters to the team of final round last year.

As I said - rate of improvement of our young C+ graders will be important -- still have no issue with our defence and midfield. Added plenty of outside run and half forward craft with Hayward and Ainsworth.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Swans will get their man here.

Incredible how they do it. They are essentially talking players into leaving.

Blues now have basically 2 x first rounders and Hayward, Florent and potentially Rowbottom to choose from.

Carlton will do well out of this.

And Hawks wont do the same for Merret.

 

[carlton_99]

Yeah that's fair. Personally Id prefer the higher pick, if I could package that all up for 1 or 2 Id do it straight away (like you did for Jagger last year).

Florent and Hayward arent cheap either, both on long term contracts and no doubt decent money. The post above suggests Hayward wants even more money to move as well.

We have created a lot of salary cap room the last couple of years. Williams deal ends at the end of 2026. Outside of Walsh (RFA next year), Harry, Weitering and Cripps we wouldn't have anyone else on big money IDT.

 

[FootyLad0]

We are losing 1 x A grader and 2 B graders and adding 6 B graders and 2 youngsters to the team of final round last year.

As I said - rate of improvement of our young C+ graders will be important -- still have no issue with our defence and midfield. Added plenty of outside run and half forward craft with Hayward and Ainsworth.

I'm not saying long term there can't be internal improvement but i think there's gonna be some growing pains in 2026.

Might make them more well rounded as a side and change the way they play.
Bombing it in deep works against spuds and rebuilding clubs but good sides will pick that off every day of the week.

Its on Voss and Co to change that.
As i said, i can forsee a big year from Ainsworth in the Big Vic club spotlight. Might even jump to AA squad level year if he kicks enough goals.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Swans will get their man here.

Incredible how they do it. They are essentially talking players into leaving.

Blues now have basically 2 x first rounders and Hayward, Florent and potentially Rowbottom to choose from.

Carlton will do well out of this.

Rowbottom ruled out. It will be Hayward and florent.

 

[Bagger72]

I'm not saying long term there can't be internal improvement but i think there's gonna be some growing pains in 2026.

Might make them more well rounded as a side and change the way they play.
Bombing it in deep works against spuds and rebuilding clubs but good sides will pick that off every day of the week.

Its on Voss and Co to change that.
As i said, i can forsee a big year from Ainsworth in the Big Vic club spotlight. Might even jump to AA squad level year if he kicks enough goals.

Defence and midfield still one of the best - time will tell how forward of center functions after these additions.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It makes Sydney comfortably better and Carlton comfortably worse for the next 3 years. In 5 to 6 years Carlton may see the benefits via the picks. But keeping Curnow against his will wasn't a good idea either so Carlton were in a lose/lose situation from the start.

I look at it as a win/win situation tbh Meowbagger. Love the Charles but he's clearly checked out.

I'd assume we're only going to pull the trigger on a deal if we've got a trade lined up to move up the draft order ahead of a Dean bid.

Essentially getting Pick 5ish, points for Harry Dean, Jack Ison and Cody Walker and then Florent and Hayward who both fill a position of need for us as two durable 27 year olds.

Are we going to be any better for it next year? Almost certainly not. But in 2-3 years I'd be far happier moving forward with the accumulative gain from the deal than Curnow.

And if a deal goes up in flames, we welcome back our 2x Coleman medallist and get to watch him piss about trying to win another Coleman for a few years before father time arrives.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If that's the Ins and Outs for 2026 i am sorry but they'll be lucky to win 9 games.
I can see Ainsworth having a big year and some growth from some youngsters but you don't lose TDK, Curnow and JSos (who was having a great season) and get better.

We can because just about every other player in our team was absolute dogshite this year. If they all come back healthy and playing to previous years form we should do better than the crap we dished up this year.

But with those ins and outs the chances of a top 4 finish are next to none. Certainly less than if they were still there.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It makes Sydney comfortably better and Carlton comfortably worse for the next 3 years. In 5 to 6 years Carlton may see the benefits via the picks. But keeping Curnow against his will wasn't a good idea either so Carlton were in a lose/lose situation from the start.

Does it really? Both Curnow and Harry play better as the sole focus. Hayward as a medium is perfect foil. Big improvement on the mediums. Florent off a wing helps better than Hollands

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yeah that's fair. Personally Id prefer the higher pick, if I could package that all up for 1 or 2 Id do it straight away (like you did for Jagger last year).

Florent and Hayward arent cheap either, both on long term contracts and no doubt decent money. The post above suggests Hayward wants even more money to move as well.

We'll have a truckload of cash. We just lost TDK, Silvagni, Curnow, Docherty and McGovern. Will have a North size warchest with those exits.

 

[Mr Meow]

Does it really? Both Curnow and Harry play better as the sole focus. Hayward as a medium is perfect foil. Big improvement on the mediums. Florent off a wing helps better than Hollands

Hayward is a 1.64 goal/assist and 11 disposal per game forward. Brad Close has bettered that.

Florent is a VFL level flanker.

Curnow is an A grade KPF for the next 2 years and should still be good after that.

As for the picks, obviously it depends what they do with them but that is easily the best part of the deal for Carlton. It starts to look less good if Curnow helps Sydney bounce back to the top 2.

 

[FootyLad0]

We can because just about every other player in our team was absolute dogshite this year. If they all come back healthy and playing to previous years form we should do better than the crap we dished up this year.

But with those ins and outs the chances of a top 4 finish are next to none. Certainly less than if they were still there.

Look i get you guys want to have faith but the divide between the top 10 and bottom 8 was a chasm

Dogs didn't make the 8 with 14 wins and elite %, they are only gonna get better having Darcy and Bont not missing 8 weeks.
Freo will see improvement from their super young core, Suns are only going to get better with Trac, Uwland and Patterson coming on board, Giants will still be hanging around and Clarry addition could be huge, Hawks get their shit together during the season they are top 4 worthy.

Where is Carlton getting that much improvement from to make up the 5 game win difference to the Dogs who didn't even make the Finals let alone any of the others i mentioned above.

I even have my Cats dropping down a bit to the 6th-8th range and that's purely because of how much better everyone in the 8 is getting. Even some teams outside the 8.

Saints are making a push for it, Swans get Curnow and all of a sudden they will be right back in the thick of it, Port could easily have a bounce back year.

You'd be banking on everything to go right and hey maybe it does work out, i just don't see it.

 

[Mr Meow]

I look at it as a win/win situation tbh Meowbagger. Love the Charles but he's clearly checked out.

I'd assume we're only going to pull the trigger on a deal if we've got a trade lined up to move up the draft order ahead of a Dean bid.

Essentially getting Pick 5ish, points for Harry Dean, Jack Ison and Cody Walker and then Florent and Hayward who both fill a position of need for us as two durable 27 year olds.

Are we going to be any better for it next year? Almost certainly not. But in 2-3 years I'd be far happier moving forward with the accumulative gain from the deal than Curnow.

And if a deal goes up in flames, we welcome back our 2x Coleman medallist and get to watch him piss about trying to win another Coleman for a few years before father time arrives.

Sydney win the trade by a margin, yet Carlton pretty much have to pull the trigger as keeping him is an untenable situation. It's time to really commit to being better in 5 or 6 years as opposed to contending in the short term. With that in mind I'd have still pushed for more picks rather than Hayward and Florent.

 

[Bagger72]

Structurally with certain skillset we are looking for should be better than last year

HF: Ainsworth McKay Hayward
F: Williams McGovern Kemp
Back up: Moir, Motlop, OKeefe, Evans, E. Hollands* , Fogarty, White.. lacking a key forward and hope we get one before the season starts.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Hayward is a 1.64 goal/assist and 11 disposal per game forward. Brad Close has bettered that.

Florent is a VFL level flanker.

Curnow is an A grade KPF for the next 2 years and should still be good after that.

As for the picks, obviously it depends what they do with them but that is easily the best part of the deal for Carlton

Florent finished 10th and 7th in their BnF the years they played off in grand finals. Fell out of favour with Cox but the idea that he's magically turned into a spud is dramatically overblown.

And no, I'm not just saying that because he could be coming to Carlton. Have said it for much of the year on here before any links to the Blues were made known.

Similar situation to Kennedy for us in that he's surplus to the Swans need as they're stacked with outside flankers similar to him, Kennedy was stuck on a list stacked with big body inside mids which meant his midfield time was limited and he was forced to play a role not aligned with his strengths as a player. Shined at the Dogs this year playing more midfield time than he was afforded at the Blues.

 

[carlton_99]

Look i get you guys want to have faith but the divide between the top 10 and bottom 8 was a chasm

Dogs didn't make the 8 with 14 wins and elite %, they are only gonna get better having Darcy and Bont not missing 8 weeks.
Freo will see improvement from their super young core, Suns are only going to get better with Trac, Uwland and Patterson coming on board, Giants will still be hanging around, Hawks get their shit together during the season they are top 4 worthy.

Where is Carlton getting that much improvement from to make up the 5 game difference to the Dogs who didn't even make the Finals let alone any of the others i mentioned above.

You'd be banking on everything to go right and hey maybe it does work out, i just don't see it.

I feel like people say this every year. Adelaide went from 15th to 1st in an off-season and brought in three "role" players last year. They just had their best players play better. Ours all pretty much had career worst years in 25'. Then get a few important players back from injury hopefully and you never know what improvement can come. Any development from our younger players that got a taste this season is also a bonus.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Structurally with certain skillset we are looking for should be better than last year

HF: Ainsworth McKay Hayward
F: Williams McGovern Kemp
Back up: Moir, Motlop, OKeefe, Evans, E. Hollands* , Fogarty, White.. lacking a key forward and hope we get one before the season starts.

Hard disagree. The loss of Curnow will be profound regardless of whether the flankers up forward are improved.

 

[Bagger72]

Hard disagree. The loss of Curnow will be profound regardless of whether the flankers up forward are improved.

Didnt say its a loss - but structurally better.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Look i get you guys want to have faith but the divide between the top 10 and bottom 8 was a chasm

Dogs didn't make the 8 with 14 wins and elite %, they are only gonna get better having Darcy and Bont not missing 8 weeks.
Freo will see improvement from their super young core, Suns are only going to get better with Trac, Uwland and Patterson coming on board, Giants will still be hanging around and Clarry addition could be huge, Hawks get their shit together during the season they are top 4 worthy.

Where is Carlton getting that much improvement from to make up the 5 game win difference to the Dogs who didn't even make the Finals let alone any of the others i mentioned above.

I even have my Cats dropping down a bit to the 6th-8th range and that's purely because of how much better everyone in the 8 is getting. Even some teams outside the 8.

Saints are making a push for it, Swans get Curnow and all of a sudden they will be right back in the thick of it, Port could easily have a bounce back year.

You'd be banking on everything to go right and hey maybe it does work out, i just don't see it.

I guess we'll see what happens next year. Could be disastrous, could surprise a few. Wait and see.