Recommitted Zach Merrett [UFA 2027] - Wanted a trade to Hawthorn, but it didn't get done

[Lore]

There we go, that's the clip:

 

[Proper Gander]

Pick 10, a couple of picks in the 20s and a VFL player is disrespectful

I agree. Ordinary offer and seemed to be conceived around the idea that first picks of themselves are of extraordinary value.

 

[Forward Press]

Can you point to where i said this? And your right Jeremy Cameron is not comparable, he was a 27 year old superstar (best CHF in the comp) so i apologise for bringing him down to this level

You keep trotting out the '3 1st rounders!' as it means that. The highest pick was effectively a pick 14, if you assume the Hawks don't slide next year.

Look at the contract situations, mate, then get back to me again with a Jeremy Cameron comparison.

Anyway, done with this thread - again.

 

[Yoda_]

There is way too much focus on the two clubs involved here, and way too little focus on the player manager and the media.

Essendon were clear he wasn’t going to be traded.

Hawthorn were clear they weren’t going to include a star player or pay what they perceived as overs.

The deal was never getting done. The people who mucked the most shit and made this a disaster aren’t being held accountable, and that’s the media and Petoro.

This is now the third time Petroro has majorly screwed over Zac Merret.

Apparently in 2019 St.Kilda came with a godfather offer for him, no deal. Came again last year and didn't, and now got them to closing stage but couldn't get the deal done.

Morris needs to be held accountable for leaking non football issues as some sort of way to get the deal done. The drug chat story, the AFLW (non) story.

Forget Merrett, his decision making clearly isnt as good as we think it is lol

 

[HirdsTheWord]

There is way too much focus on the two clubs involved here, and way too little focus on the player manager and the media.

Essendon were clear he wasn’t going to be traded.

Hawthorn were clear they weren’t going to include a star player or pay what they perceived as overs.

The deal was never getting done. The people who mucked the most shit and made this a disaster aren’t being held accountable, and that’s the media and Petoro.

whos going to hold him accountable?

as much of a muck raker as morris is the AFL secretly love the attention he generates. they dont care if its garbage or not.

further to that as much if a germ as he is, we as fans keep linking his shit on this forum. So we are part of the problem to a degree

 

[randyzany]

rubbish.

Hawks were talking to other teams contracted players, why not talk to their own?

Hypocritical to suggest otherwise.

As I've already stated and burnt bridges in the process doing so. Hawthorn could have potentially enquired half their own team by constantly going back and forth, back and forth, etc.. about how they felt about moving to one of the worst performing teams in the league for the past 20 years or so, if they had to entirely guess what sort of player the Bombers were interested in and still not correctly identify the player the Bombers thought could seal the deal.

That would have been extremely dumb and a recipe for disaster as that would have no doubt have had huge negative impact on their culture. Treating players as disposable commodities never goes down well for a club.

The very least the Bombers could have done is give Hawthorn a list of say at least 3 players, and maybe as many as 10, that they were keen on that in their opinion would get them to agree to a trade for Merrett. If Hawthorn refuses to any suggested player then that's that, nobody would have wasted their time but I suspect that's precisely what Essendon wanted.

If Hawthorn had been open to 1 or more of the suggested players than Hawthorn would then have given Essendon their blessing so-to-speak to approach them and woo them to come to the Bombers.

I understand that the Bombers were not the ones pushing for a trade but keeping a player against their will, especially when the suitor offered a more than fair deal, would have not gone unnoticed by their own players and those at other clubs and I have no doubt that the bad reputation acquired from this failed trade will have dire repercussions for the Bombers in future trade periods.

 

[Jeremias]

Can you point to where i said this? And your right Jeremy Cameron is not comparable, he was a 27 year old superstar (best CHF in the comp) so i apologise for bringing him down to this level

That’s not why the situations are not comparable, and I suspect you know it.

Why be so disingenuous?

 

[triple treat]

That’s not why the situations are not comparable, and I suspect you know it.

Why be so disingenuous?

Go away

 

[Yoda_]

That’s not why the situations are not comparable, and I suspect you know it.

Why be so disingenuous?

Hawthorn supporters dont like facts

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Hawthorn screwed the pooch with their leave it late ultimatum offer tactic. No wiggle room for negotiations.

It gets more farcical the more that is revealed. Earlier on radio Pickering was saying that when Essendon responded to Hawthorn’s offer (by their ‘final deadline’, which actually wasn’t final and wasn’t a deadline), they queried the inclusion of Hustwaite in the offer… given it was 24 hours before the trade period ended, Essendon had never even spoken to Hustwaite nor asked if he wanted to play for them (he is contracted at Hawthorn for 2026), nor could they do a medical as he was apparently out of Melbourne on holidays.

The whole thing was amateur hour and they plainly weren’t serious. Whoever came up with the plan should… not be planning these things ever again.

 

[Yoda_]

It gets more farcical the more that is revealed. Earlier on radio Pickering was saying that when Essendon responded to Hawthorn’s offer (by their ‘final deadline’, which actually wasn’t final and wasn’t a deadline), they queried the inclusion of Hustwaite in the offer… given it was 24 hours before the trade period ended, Essendon had never even spoken to Hustwaite nor asked if he wanted to play for them (he is contracted at Hawthorn for 2026), nor could they do a medical as he was apparently out of Melbourne on holidays.

The whole thing was amateur hour and they plainly weren’t serious. Whoever came up with the plan should… not be planning these things ever again.

wait, so the report Essendon were interested was another completely fabricated?



heck me, the media is abysmal the more that is revealed

 

[Forward Press]

Go away

lol, someone's beaten.

 

[Forward Press]

It gets more farcical the more that is revealed. Earlier on radio Pickering was saying that when Essendon responded to Hawthorn’s offer (by their ‘final deadline’, which actually wasn’t final and wasn’t a deadline), they queried the inclusion of Hustwaite in the offer… given it was 24 hours before the trade period ended, Essendon had never even spoken to Hustwaite nor asked if he wanted to play for them (he is contracted at Hawthorn for 2026), nor could they do a medical as he was apparently out of Melbourne on holidays.

The whole thing was amateur hour and they plainly weren’t serious. Whoever came up with the plan should… not be planning these things ever again.

If the above is true (source?) then it proves the Hawks never entered the negotiations in good faith.

 

[jannissary]

As I've already stated and burnt bridges in the process doing so. Hawthorn could have potentially enquired half their own team by constantly going back and forth, back and forth, etc.. about how they felt about moving to one of the worst performing teams in the league for the past 20 years or so, if they had to entirely guess what sort of player the Bombers were interested in and still not correctly identify the player the Bombers thought could seal the deal.

don't know why you're trying to present troll remarks as factual statements, but that doesn't particularly matter in the case of this trade. hawthorn tabled their first offer at the "final-ish" moment in the trade cycle for zach, including a player we had no real interest in beyond "rumours" from the same "ITKs" that said merrett was going to hawthorn.

That would have been extremely dumb and a recipe for disaster as that would have no doubt have had huge negative impact on their culture. Treating players as disposable commodities never goes down well for a club.

we saw a successful trade this period between sydney and carlton wherein will hayward was treated as a bargaining chip successfully. players have plenty of autonomy, and clubs can push the screws in to get a deal done. it's laziness on behalf of hawthorn.

The very least the Bombers could have done is give Hawthorn a list of say at least 3 players, and maybe as many as 10, that they were keen on that in their opinion would get them to agree to a trade for Merrett. If Hawthorn refuses to any suggested player then that's that, nobody would have wasted their time but I suspect that's precisely what Essendon wanted.

why would we exactly do this, since welsh, vozzo, scott, rosa and every other plodder under the sun at the club with a modicum of power said he's not being traded. why would the club do hawthorn's job for them since we, again, consistently held the perspective that he was not going anywhere. at no stage has the club (<-- very important here) stated otherwise, and would not entertain offers.

If Hawthorn had been open to 1 or more of the suggested players than Hawthorn would then have given Essendon their blessing so-to-speak to approach them and woo them to come to the Bombers.

why does getting a "blessing" from hawthorn matter when it's clear that they don't really give a shit about contracts and the like already? why pussyfoot around when we're not interested?

I understand that the Bombers were not the ones pushing for a trade but keeping a player against their will, especially when the suitor offered a more than fair deal, would have not gone unnoticed by their own players and those at other clubs and I have no doubt that the bad reputation acquired from this failed trade will have dire repercussions for the Bombers in future trade periods.

why? did essendon do anything except stick by the clubs word of "we won't trade him". such an illogical and remarkably stupid remark.

you've typed a lot here, good work! but it's a whole steaming pile of shit that is essentially blaming essendon for hawthorn being lazy campaigners, and how it wasn't being fair when essendon categorically stood by it's word of "not trading zach merrett"

 

[triple treat]

lol, someone's beaten.

Into submission

 

[Jeremias]

Go away

Well yes, that’s kind of my point.

Argue in good faith all you like, but if you’re going to completely ignore fact and rewrite history, do it elsewhere.

Thanks.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You keep trotting out the '3 1st rounders!' as it means that. The highest pick was effectively a pick 14, if you assume the Hawks don't slide next year.

Look at the contract situations, mate, then get back to me again with a Jeremy Cameron comparison.

Anyway, done with this thread - again.

GWS got absolutely destroyed in that trade too and did it out of sheer necessity. The actuality of the 3 1st rounders they got ended up being

Jeremy Cameron for Conor Stone, Ryan Angwin and pick upgrade (otherwise it was Brayden Cook)

Suggesting Essendon should follow suit and repeat the trade GWS did, the same trade they lost seems a bit nonsensical. A team shouldnt repeat anothers errors to fufil some illogical consistency people want to create

 

[boncer34]

Read the Hawks president having a tantrum today.

What I didnt read was him confirming the super secret trade that was agreed upon.

Its almost like the Hawks ITK posters are full of shit and they made it up.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Read the Hawks president having a tantrum today.

What I didnt read was him confirming the super secret trade that was agreed upon.

Its almost like the Hawks ITK posters are full of shit and they made it up.

The Hawthorn president wouldn’t know, he wasn’t involved at all - it’s only amateur clubs like Essendon where the president is involved.

 

[triple treat]

Well yes, that’s kind of my point.

Argue in good faith all you like, but if you’re going to completely ignore fact and rewrite history, do it elsewhere.

Thanks.

Hahah no, I prefer if our interaction be when your sending pm telling me I’ve said a naughty word.

Thanks.

 

[Vindicater]

Read the Hawks president having a tantrum today.

What I didnt read was him confirming the super secret trade that was agreed upon.

Its almost like the Hawks ITK posters are full of shit and they made it up.

Maybe the Hawks president is not a fan of playing golf?

 

[Jeremias]

Hahah no, I prefer if our interaction be when your sending pm telling me I’ve said a naughty word.

Thanks.

Which naughty word would that be?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

As I've already stated and burnt bridges in the process doing so. Hawthorn could have potentially enquired half their own team by constantly going back and forth, back and forth, etc.. about how they felt about moving to one of the worst performing teams in the league for the past 20 years or so, if they had to entirely guess what sort of player the Bombers were interested in and still not correctly identify the player the Bombers thought could seal the deal.

That would have been extremely dumb and a recipe for disaster as that would have no doubt have had huge negative impact on their culture. Treating players as disposable commodities never goes down well for a club.

The very least the Bombers could have done is give Hawthorn a list of say at least 3 players, and maybe as many as 10, that they were keen on that in their opinion would get them to agree to a trade for Merrett. If Hawthorn refuses to any suggested player then that's that, nobody would have wasted their time but I suspect that's precisely what Essendon wanted.

If Hawthorn had been open to 1 or more of the suggested players than Hawthorn would then have given Essendon their blessing so-to-speak to approach them and woo them to come to the Bombers.

I understand that the Bombers were not the ones pushing for a trade but keeping a player against their will, especially when the suitor offered a more than fair deal, would have not gone unnoticed by their own players and those at other clubs and I have no doubt that the bad reputation acquired from this failed trade will have dire repercussions for the Bombers in future trade periods.

Hawthorn need to give Essendon a blessing to talk to their contracted players?

Essendon never wanted to be part of the trade. Why did they have to talk to anyone at all?

The stupidity of what you just wrote will haunt me for the rest of my days

 

[Milanista28]

Read the Hawks president having a tantrum today.

What I didnt read was him confirming the super secret trade that was agreed upon.

Its almost like the Hawks ITK posters are full of shit and they made it up.

I think the Hawks board showed how delusional they are, hopefully they call out their ITK fleet for being so wrong.

They also convinced themselves that Humphrey wanted them, his manager only spoke of the Demons in for him on that last day.

 

[triple treat]

Which naughty word would that be?

 

[boncer34]

As I've already stated and burnt bridges in the process doing so. Hawthorn could have potentially enquired half their own team by constantly going back and forth, back and forth, etc.. about how they felt about moving to one of the worst performing teams in the league for the past 20 years or so, if they had to entirely guess what sort of player the Bombers were interested in and still not correctly identify the player the Bombers thought could seal the deal.

That would have been extremely dumb and a recipe for disaster as that would have no doubt have had huge negative impact on their culture. Treating players as disposable commodities never goes down well for a club.

The very least the Bombers could have done is give Hawthorn a list of say at least 3 players, and maybe as many as 10, that they were keen on that in their opinion would get them to agree to a trade for Merrett. If Hawthorn refuses to any suggested player then that's that, nobody would have wasted their time but I suspect that's precisely what Essendon wanted.

If Hawthorn had been open to 1 or more of the suggested players than Hawthorn would then have given Essendon their blessing so-to-speak to approach them and woo them to come to the Bombers.

I understand that the Bombers were not the ones pushing for a trade but keeping a player against their will, especially when the suitor offered a more than fair deal, would have not gone unnoticed by their own players and those at other clubs and I have no doubt that the bad reputation acquired from this failed trade will have dire repercussions for the Bombers in future trade periods.

Essendon should've given a list to minimise disruption to Hawthorn's culture?

I can't even begin to describe the stupidty of this.