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Proposal to include premierships dating back to 1870 gathering pace
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threenewpadlocks
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Right.Those won in the Premier competition of the day
So why isn't the Championship of Australia considered the premier competition of the day?
You have so many questions, which is understandable. You should really read his book. Sold out on Amazon it's been so popular.
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One feature of extending the VFL/AFL competition's history to 1870, is that the AFL could claim to be the oldest continuous football championship in the world. Currently England's FA Cup soccer has that distinction
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threenewpadlocks
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I have read his book.
It is full of logical fallacies, erroneous historical research, deductive reasoning that is flawed.
Now, can you answer my question: if we're tallying champions of the premier football competition, why is the Championship of Australia not the premier football competition?
It doesn't count unless you counted it from the start lol, you don't get to pick and choose your start date.
What we've got now works fine. Extending it to 1870 isn't needed.
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Can you give just two examples then so we can review your assertion?
There's one on the front cover. "Reclaiming the AFL competition's earliest era".
More likely….
One feature of extending the VFL/AFL competition’s history to 1870, is that the AFL could claim to be the oldest continuous football competition in Australia. Currently the SAFA/SANFL has that distinction.
Take out cup competitions, I believe the SANFL is the oldest in the world.
For starters, It was a tournament, not a football league/competion. It was also only run about 20 times, no? Clutching at straws a bit with this one chief.
threenewpadlocks
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Ok, so what league/competition did Melbourne win in 1870 that we're counting to add to the tally? Was it a tournament, league/competition, a random assortment of games, what?
If you've read his book like you claim, I am surprised you don't know this.
Sure... so let's rewrite history to claim a record. Ridiculous
It was a cup competition essentially.
threenewpadlocks
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But the VFA was only established in 1877, it was the first Victorian league.
Then why are we counting 1870-1876, non-league seasons as having a premier then?
It is wasn't the "Premier competition of the day" - it was a local state / metro based comp played by local ametuer players.Those won in the Premier competition of the day
Hate this argument from Victorians have a weird chip on their shoulder - there was no premier competition until the 80s. Before that they were local leagues - the VFL was equivalent to the SANFL and WAFL. On average, VFL may have had better footballers, but in any given year teams in each league could potentially beat teams in other state leagues.
Ah, the ultimate logic question of the AFL……
“If logic is proposed in a vacuum, did it ever exist?”
threenewpadlocks
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There are absolutely no Victorians other than Geelong folk that have this supposed chip on their shoulder mate
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hawkman
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I think we all understand his arguments. He wants more Geelong premierships recognised. It is as simple as that.
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Yeah, why did you then?
Digging for flags in old newspapers and claiming "everyone forgor " poor Col.
Pains me to admit but Port Adelaide won some championship of Australia comps: they have a legit claim according to one wobbly part of Cols disjointed and irrational brainfart, but he faila to address it.
Id definitely concede (even an idiot like me can see it) that while us Vics had more people and more money other states have their own proud independent histories, great players who rank with any and all (guys like Polly Farmer literally changed the game across the country) and their best sides proved they could beat the best of their day.
Another case Cols brain failure to register. Mysteriously if it doesn't bolster Geelong somehow its less important. No AFL flags for Geelong Grammar Col you dufus? Somehow Carltons dominant side of the 1860s misses, its too early to be the earliest era?
This crap book posits a thesis by a dumbarse (historically speaking) for dumbarses (literally speaking).
And Geelong accepted his pretend cups
Nah, that's just a collateral advantage.
As a revered football historian, Col cares greatly about correctly restoring Grand Final history.
He is just trying to restore the records to what they showed before the historical revisionists of the 1930s came along and changed them. He is just trying to put things right again
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I would bet my bottom dollar that you haven't even read his book. You get so angry just thinking about Col. You'd start tearing it up on the first page..I'm truly worried how you will take it when his proposal goes through..This crap book posits a thesis by a dumbarse (historically speaking) for dumbarses (literally speaking).
And Geelong accepted his pretend cups
hawkman
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Grand Final history? There were no grand finals until at least 1888Nah, that's just a collateral advantage.
As a revered football historian, Col cares greatly about correctly restoring Grand Final history.
He is just trying to restore the records to what they showed before the historical revisionists of the 1930s came along and changed them. He is just trying to put things right again
If he didn't think Geelong had something to gain he wouldn't have interest in pushing this
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