Coach Chris Scott and Jeremy Cameron's broken arm incident.

[CatsDan]

Player suffers what appears to be a fractured arm and is sent back on field.

Potentially needs a HIA as well but is not really mentioned because of said broken arm.

Player then falls heavily on their arm, and probably aggravates the injury.

Player then spends an extended period on the bench, before the coach decides to sub off a different, uninjured player.

Coach then tries to blame a rule that has been in place for several years as an excuse for how such an error was made.

But yes, nothing to see here…

If it was a big deal the media would be talking about it, and guess what, they ain't.

 

[Robroy22]

If it was a big deal the media would be talking about it, and guess what, they ain't.

Do they have media in Geelong?

 

[Soggy2112]

If it was a big deal the media would be talking about it, and guess what, they ain't.

Guess that settles it, the media never gets it wrong of course…

 

[abakus]

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claimed that the docs couldn't confirm it was broken and wouldn't do anything to put Cameron at risk.

Sure.

 

[Sttew]

The AFL should consider issuing a fine to Geelong because I can guarantee you this won't happen again in the future.

Just re-read this humorous post.

What purpose would a fine serve? At best it might deter others from doing the same if the 'same' is considered bad. But you finish your post with the line, "The AFL should consider issuing a fine to Geelong because I can guarantee you this won't happen again in the future."

If it won't happen again why issue a fine

BTW, I checked and you had nothing to say when Goodwin sent Petracca back on the field with a ruptured kidney? Seems your woke barometer is fixed only on Geelong.

 

[Demon in Hell]

Just re-read this humorous post.

What purpose would a fine serve? At best it might deter others from doing the same if the 'same' is considered bad. But you finish your post with the line, "The AFL should consider issuing a fine to Geelong because I can guarantee you this won't happen again in the future."

If it won't happen again why issue a fine

BTW, I checked and you had nothing to say when Goodwin sent Petracca back on the field with a ruptured kidney? Seems your woke barometer is fixed only on Geelong.

Except it wasnt Goodwin who sent Petracca back on the field.... it was Petracca who sent Petracca back on rhe field.

 

[Sttew]

Except it wasnt Goodwin who sent Petracca back on the field.... it was Petracca who sent Petracca back on rhe field.

Really? Probably good thing both are gone then

It wasn't the point of my post anyway.

 

[RUNVS]

I forgot what happened with Cameron's arm, read the title and immediately though "just how rough was the handjob Cameron gave Scott that he broke his arm"

 

[demondavey]

Except it wasnt Goodwin who sent Petracca back on the field.... it was Petracca who sent Petracca back on rhe field.

Melbourne were deficient in their control of the situation. I think Petracca would have found someone to blame anyway but Melbourne should have exercised a lot more caution.

 

[The_Reaper]

Except it wasnt Goodwin who sent Petracca back on the field.... it was Petracca who sent Petracca back on rhe field.

A coach has the final call.

 

[Nunez]

I can’t understand how anyone could argue not subbing Cameron was a good call. It was clearly the wrong call in the game and in hindsight.

Bad calls happen, we don’t need to be blinded by loyalty to point that out.

 

[Pistol Night]

I forgot what happened with Cameron's arm, read the title and immediately though "just how rough was the handjob Cameron gave Scott that he broke his arm"

Quite vigorous I’m guessing based on that. Can’t say ive ever witnessed this type of injury while performing that act

 

[Soggy2112]

Except it wasnt Goodwin who sent Petracca back on the field.... it was Petracca who sent Petracca back on rhe field.

Melbourne were deficient in their control of the situation. I think Petracca would have found someone to blame anyway but Melbourne should have exercised a lot more caution.

As with Petracca and as with Cameron, players, particularly at that level, will almost always say they are right to go. It is the medical team’s job to say if they aren’t, and the coaches job to enforce that decision.

Melbourne neglected their duty of care to Petracca. It never should have been up to him. The doctor should have made the call that there was likely internal injuries and that playing on was too risky. They should have explained that to Goodwin and anything but full support of that is unacceptable.

The one silver lining is I think the league has probably learnt from that incident, if you refer to how quickly Butts was ruled out and rushed to the hospital.

 

[Proper Gander]

As with Petracca and as with Cameron, players, particularly at that level, will almost always say they are right to go. It is the medical team’s job to say if they aren’t, and the coaches job to enforce that decision.

Melbourne neglected their duty of care to Petracca. It never should have been up to him. The doctor should have made the call that there was likely internal injuries and that playing on was too risky. They should have explained that to Goodwin and anything but full support of that is unacceptable.

The one silver lining is I think the league has probably learnt from that incident, if you refer to how quickly Butts was ruled out and rushed to the hospital.

I bloody hope you’re right that the league has learned from the incident.

 

[Soggy2112]

I bloody hope you’re right that the league has learned from the incident.

Yeah look I wouldn’t say I’m confident, but at least in the next comparable incident the conservative approach was taken.

 

[Partridge]

I can’t understand how anyone could argue not subbing Cameron was a good call. It was clearly the wrong call in the game and in hindsight.

Bad calls happen, we don’t need to be blinded by loyalty to point that out.

Curious thing is - and picked up on by no one in the media - is that the situation has happened before.

In a Grand final. With the same club. And the same coach. And a similar type of injury.

In Scott's first season, Podsiadly injured his shoulder in the second quarter, and was duly subbed out of the game (it was the first year of the sub rule). Mitch Duncan came on for him, and kicked a crucial goal. So it isn't like it was uncharted territory for anyone.

In reality, Scott probably didn't think we could win without Cameron in any shape apparently. As you said, all coaches make bad calls, that was one of his.

 

[Elixuh]

It made me lose faith in the game of AFL, the lack of care shown towards Jezza by the master coach.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Curious thing is - and picked up on by no one in the media - is that the situation has happened before.

In a Grand final. With the same club. And the same coach. And a similar type of injury.

In Scott's first season, Podsiadly injured his shoulder in the second quarter, and was duly subbed out of the game (it was the first year of the sub rule). Mitch Duncan came on for him, and kicked a crucial goal. So it isn't like it was uncharted territory for anyone.

In reality, Scott probably didn't think we could win without Cameron in any shape apparently. As you said, all coaches make bad calls, that was one of his.

Its not even the first time with Jeremy Cameron.

See the round 9 game against Port at the Cattery. Cameron extremely wobbly after a headknock, waving away the doctor. Yeah no HIA, that would mean Jezza would have to come off and miss most of the last quarter as Geelong desperately tries to run down a big lead.

 

[jwikked]

Not a big deal. Doubt Jeremy Cameron

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is losing sleep over it, he'd probably do it again if it ever happened again.

Obviously in hindsight, a terrible move. Aside from that, not a big deal.

 

[Sttew]

Not a big deal. Doubt Jeremy Cameron is losing sleep over it, he'd probably do it again if it ever happened again.

Obviously in hindsight, a terrible move. Aside from that, not a big deal.

Can't believe it. I agree with your post!

Everyone knows the "rules" regarding playing injured players in a Grand Finals are different to all other games because of the stakes.

In 2011 Geelong (Chris Scott in fact) took the risk of playing Stevie Johnston in the GF with a dislocated kneecap and damaged ligaments when days before the game Stevie J could not walk. That move paid off. He kicked 4 goals in the GF.

There is no doubt the Cameron injury backfired, and in hindsight it was a punt that didn't work, although when he chased down Fletcher and Cats scored a goals courtesy of the tackle, some might have thought an injured Cameron was a better option than anyone else available.

It is hard to believe this thread is into its 7th page. Had it been any other team involved the story would have long been consigned to the scrap heap, IMO

 

[Sttew]

I could tell it was broken from warching tv.

Was that Gray's Anatomy or ER?

 

[theprospector]

Don't question Chris Scott

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, we aren't as smart as him, according to him, and we wouldn't understand the nuances required to coach at this level.

 

[PhatBoy]

Don't question Chris Scott, we aren't as smart as him, according to him, and we wouldn't understand the nuances required to coach at this level.

I know you are taking the piss but really?

No, we don’t. I’m sure there are many people on this forum as ‘intelligent’ as him as intelligence is a relative thing and can theoretically be measured.

I very much doubt there are many people at all in the BigFooty forum, unless most of its users are actually Reg Hickey, Kevin Sheedy, Alan Jeans, Alistair Clarkson, Damien Hardwick, Mick Malthouse etc, who do understand and actually have the required nuances to coach at that level as Scott has done.