List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[stallon]

You ain’t changing your draft preferences for Graham and Dev playing mid time.

Im not. Its just a supporting argument

Harley I think most would see and ideally used in the Dusty type of mid fwd role if we can get enough quality mids so he can get moved out of there for decent periods of the game.

Why would we move our best mid out just to fit some lesser player in? That makes no sense, Harley is absolutely elite in there as as long as he has the tank to do it(hes already been doing it for 2 years now) then why tf would we change anything?
As he gets more help the load will naturally lessen on him anyway

Im a Hewett man but who knows, very much an unknown of he can be that type of mid or a mid/hff.

For now, I think the assumption should be that hes a pure mid.
People jump too quickly to label any attacking mid as a mid/hff hybrid instead of just letting them do their thing imo

You’ve always been against mids and recruiting them and even 12 months on and with the known public path we are going down to get mids in the door through trade*, DFA and draft, yet your eyes still haven’t opened up.

Im not against drafting mids, ive never been against drafting mids.
There was a period there where I was all for Robey at pick 2 for example.

What im against is overcorrecting and drafting too many when we arguably have enough.
Im not so big on Sharp because the game is moving away from Sharp types, and CDT is the better prospect at pick 2. Thats all. Same as anyone who has taken a step back and had a proper look at things.

We have Hall, Gross, Banfield, Duursma, Evans, Harley, McCarthy, and Allan drafted over 3 drafts(this years guys are highly likely, i know we havent taken them yet) plus Hewett the year prior but he missed a season so hes in this group too.

Thats a huge cohort, and we still have Graham, Kelly, Yeo(maybe), and adding Dev plus Baker, Starcevich, and Hough can also chop out.

That makes at least 3-4 guys in their mid 20s who we are willing to play in the middle, plus a heap of kids and a couple of older guys.

Drafting 10+ teenage mids over 3 years IS overcorrecting, we have no idea what theyll be and we cant give them all opportunity to find out what they can be.

 

[txbyhull]

Gross and Allan should go the next step this preseason. (hopium)

An immense amount

 

[stallon]

This is majority of the whole argument. The reasonable knocks on both as I see them are:

CDT: Not as much of a need as Sharp / position for the first couple years, aerial ability doesn't fill you with confidence (chest marks, 2 or 3 grabs)

Sharp: Non-plus speed (he's not ****ing slow guys he's just not Petch), average kick, not an x-factor / flashy player

Simplifying it a bit:
Sharp is average at everything except his contested work for the most part.
CDT is a tall player who excels mostly at mobility and ground level stuff

Both are huge needs.
Sharp helps as he shores up our young midfield talent, less pressure on Hall/Gross types to be in full time mid roles.
We have a potential number 1 ruckman in Archer - he needs a partner, CDT can fill a Luke Jackson type role obviously with his own unique strengths.

Yes CDT is not a huge need right now, but in 2 years when BW and Flynn are traded/delisted what will our needs be then? Unless you want to be still relying on BW or Flynn long into the future, CDT is a big need.

 

[txbyhull]

We have Hall, Gross, Banfield, Duursma, Evans, Harley, McCarthy, and Allan drafted over 3 drafts(this years guys are highly likely, i know we havent taken them yet) plus Hewett the year prior but he missed a season so hes in this group too.

Thats a huge cohort, and we still have Graham, Kelly, Yeo(maybe), and adding Dev plus Baker, Starcevich, and Hough can also chop out.

It looks worse when its laid out like this to be honest, this group does not fill me with any confidence at all due either: not being a midfielder, me not thinking their ceiling is high enough, or them having even been drafted yet.

Dev's u18 level was higher than even Sharp and he's spent his whole career at what is currently the best team in the comp so I have faith, Duursma I have full faith in his Bont-like ceiling, and Harley is Harley. I'm 50/50 on Hewett but by the time we are competing for finals I think he does play more of the Zac Bailey f50 contest winner type rotating through the middle.

 

[Astro7]

An immense amount

Only in as much as they should improve with another preseason, no injuries. Gross has shown enough to say it's not unreasonable for him to hit another level. Admittedly Allan is an unknown at this stage.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Are people put off by Farrow being labelled a half back flanker?

Looks an excellent prospect to me. Can accumulate far better than Ginbey and is a much better kick than Bo.

Would be very happy if we can pick him up.

Feels to me a bit of a reach at 9 is all. I feel like once again we are reaching for a guy just because he is West Australian instead of taking best available

 

[txbyhull]

Simplifying it a bit:
Sharp is average at everything except his contested work for the most part.

Considering contest work is an extremely large part of a mids game, I think its pretty disingenuous to phrase it like that. I see him as a mid that is elite in his stoppage craft + hands, tackling + defensive application, and leadership.

CDT is a tall player who excels mostly at mobility and ground level stuff

I think CDTs elite traits are his overall athleticism (including leap, anyone that says he cant jump has no idea what they're talking about), and his ground-ball + skills for his height.

Both are huge needs.
Sharp helps as he shores up our young midfield talent, less pressure on Hall/Gross types to be in full time mid roles.

I think I would place CDT into the talent-need category rather than the player-need. We just need good players, and CDT is most definitely one

We have a potential number 1 ruckman in Archer - he needs a partner, CDT can fill a Luke Jackson type role obviously with his own unique strengths.


Yes CDT is not a huge need right now, but in 2 years when BW and Flynn are traded/delisted what will our needs be then? Unless you want to be still relying on BW or Flynn long into the future, CDT is a big need.

I would be swinging for the fences at BVR and Axel Walsh next year. Full faith we can get one if not both.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Feels to me a bit of a reach at 9 is all. I feel like once again we are reaching for a guy just because he is West Australian instead of taking best available

No doubt we like the West Aussies (and so we should if the talent levels the same) but who have we "reached" for recently?

 

[stallon]

It looks worse when its laid out like this to be honest, this group does not fill me with any confidence at all due either: not being a midfielder, me not thinking their ceiling is high enough, or them having even been drafted yet.

This one gets overblown and used too much on here I think. If they havent had the opportunity or theyve played other roles due to their versatility it doesnt mean they arent a mid.
What if they are mids who can play half back, rather than half backs who play mid? Its all stupid either way

Dev's u18 level was higher than even Sharp and he's spent his whole career at what is currently the best team in the comp so I have faith, Duursma I have full faith in his Bont-like ceiling, and Harley is Harley. I'm 50/50 on Hewett but by the time we are competing for finals I think he does play more of the Zac Bailey f50 contest winner type rotating through the middle.

So we are happy to lock in Duursma and Harley as our best 2 mids at this stage, Hewett at least 30-50% CBAs, and Dev as a role player as a minimum(I think B-grader but im optimistic, and he plays the role Sharp would play).

Im adding McCarthy as somewhere in between B and A grade for now in the middle, I genuinely think he will be a top tier mid for us but trying to be a bit more balanced.

My main point is with those 5 names, we have our midfield pretty much covered to be competent. A couple more decent role players and either Hewett or someone else stepping up to being around the B to A grade mark and our midfield is good enough to compete with or equal any in the comp outside maybe Brisbane who have their own unique advantages.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No doubt we like the West Aussies (and so we should if the talent levels the same) but who have we "reached" for recently?

Splitting of picks being a bit of the problem in that we split the picks because we wanted to draft West Aussies in that area. Also the 2016-2019 period when we basically only drafted West Aussies regardless of everything else hurt the club big time

 

[uncleoatmeal]

How many more times does each individual poster have to put in their 2 cents about sharp or CDT? No one is being convinced otherwise, stop flogging a dead horse.

 

[stallon]

Considering contest work is an extremely large part of a mids game, I think its pretty disingenuous to phrase it like that. I see him as a mid that is elite in his stoppage craft + hands, tackling + defensive application, and leadership.

Contested work I meant as an inclusive word, to include the defensive stuff(which is contested).

I think CDTs elite traits are his overall athleticism (including leap, anyone that says he cant jump has no idea what they're talking about), and his ground-ball + skills for his height.

I think I would place CDT into the talent-need category rather than the player-need. We just need good players, and CDT is most definitely one

I would be swinging for the fences at BVR and Axel Walsh next year. Full faith we can get one if not both.

I guess this comes down to whether you prefer Archer as a ruck/fwd with one of those 2 as the main ruck - which is a 6-7 year timeline at best before coming online, vs Archer as the main ruck with CDT backup which is a 2-4 year timeline, and arguably the end results are equally as good.
Its just whether you prefer a big bodied ruck with a tall athletic back up, or a tall athletic main ruck with a hyper mobile backup.
CDT around the ground as the backup ruck sounds a lot better than Archer imo

Neither options are bad, its just the timeline for me.
Imo we should be building to be around the mix for finals by 2027/2028, and aiming to be a top 4/grand final level side by 2030.
I dont think BVR or Axel quite fit this timeline, not that its a huge issue, as Archer can be the main ruck in the meantime but its something to think about.

 

[txbyhull]

How many more times does each individual poster have to put in their 2 cents about sharp or CDT? No one is being convinced otherwise, stop flogging a dead horse.

Hate to be that guy. What else is there to even talk about in this thread...

 

[txbyhull]

Contested work I meant as an inclusive word, to include the defensive stuff(which is contested).

I guess this comes down to whether you prefer Archer as a ruck/fwd with one of those 2 as the main ruck - which is a 6-7 year timeline at best before coming online, vs Archer as the main ruck with CDT backup which is a 2-4 year timeline, and arguably the end results are equally as good.
Its just whether you prefer a big bodied ruck with a tall athletic back up, or a tall athletic main ruck with a hyper mobile backup.
CDT around the ground as the backup ruck sounds a lot better than Archer imo

Neither options are bad, its just the timeline for me.
Imo we should be building to be around the mix for finals by 2027/2028, and aiming to be a top 4/grand final level side by 2030.
I dont think BVR or Axel quite fit this timeline, not that its a huge issue, as Archer can be the main ruck in the meantime but its something to think about.

Fair play mate, don't think we can agree on the timeline though
I'd sell at least 4 fingers to be playing finals again in 2027

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

How many more times does each individual poster have to put in their 2 cents about sharp or CDT? No one is being convinced otherwise, stop flogging a dead horse.

We can talk about our 1 victory last year I suppose instead....

 

[stallon]

Fair play mate, don't think we can agree on the timeline though
I'd sell at least 4 fingers to be playing finals again in 2027

haha gotta aim high, 2028 the more likely one to be around the mark

Once we get more kids closer to 50+ games I think the improvement will come reasonably quickly

 

[Tugga27]

Are people put off by Farrow being labelled a half back flanker?

Looks an excellent prospect to me. Can accumulate far better than Ginbey and is a much better kick than Bo.

Would be very happy if we can pick him up.

Yep.

Surely we don't need another HBF?

 

[eaglevision]

Just an update on the mini draft (and therefore Axel Walsh), there is no confirmation that there will be one held next year. It may be that the first is it 2027 or even 2028 depending on what Tasmania’s list needs are. The longer it goes without an official announcement the less likely there will be one next year. In saying that the AFL hasn’t even clarified the bid match system and NGA access for next year.

Regardless, our 2 x F1s should not be on the table, with the 2027 F1 the key to getting Walsh whether it is next year or the 2027 draft itself.

 

[Keys]

Strong chance there’s a pretty good option for us with pick 1 in the Rookie Draft

These are RMC’s top 50 ranked players which I’m using as a guide


The widely held expectation is that the draft will max out at 57 selections, if it even goes that far. So only 7 players more than listed above

Not named in that top 50:

• Sam Ainsworth (198cm Ruck/Fwd - SA)
• Tom Burton (178cm Mid/Def - Vic Metro)
• Noah Chamberlain (181cm Fwd/Wing - Swans Academy)
• Cody Curtin (200cm Key Fwd - WA)
• Koby Evans (188cm Fwd/Mid - WCE NGA)
• Liam Hetherton (198cm Key Fwd - NSW)
• Hunter Holmes (188cm Wing - Vic Metro)
• Leon Kickett (173cm Fwd - WA)
• Blake Oudshoorn-Bennier (181cm Mid - SA)
• Noah Roberts-Thomson (181cm Mid/Fwd - SA)
• Blake Kelly (183cm Mid - WA)
• Marcus Krasnadamskis (201cm Ruck - Vic Metro)
• Toby Whan (184cm Mid - Freo NGA)
• Rory Wright (183cm Mid/Def - BIC Metro)

The list isn’t exhaustive and also doesn’t include mature aged state league players like Tom Blamires for example. I’ve also left off a couple of F/S picks like Darcy and Kellaway plus some lower ranked NGA academy players)

Now I’m not saying that we would/should be interested in everyone on that list or that some won’t get selected instead of some named in the top 50. But all up there’s 65 names there (including Blamires) overall who’ll be available in a draft that’s only expected to reach a max of 57 picks

A lot is going to depend on whether clubs call out F/S or academy picks late in the draft, because there’s plenty of those, in seeing who makes it through to the Rookie Draft. But there’s going to almost certainly be a handful of players worth selecting from

 

[txbyhull]

The best part about being in our position is that we can get excited about the RD, because the players we have aren’t much better than the ones we’re getting there

 

[Keys]

Splitting of picks being a bit of the problem in that we split the picks because we wanted to draft West Aussies in that area. Also the 2016-2019 period when we basically only drafted West Aussies regardless of everything else hurt the club big time

Just off the top of my head we recruited Venables (over Powell-Pepper), Brander, O’Neill, Petruccelle, Bailey Williams and Rioli from outside WA in that period

Partington and Cole in 2015

Chesser over Johnston in 2021

Prioritising WA players hasn’t really been the case

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Im not. Its just a supporting argument

Why would we move our best mid out just to fit some lesser player in? That makes no sense, Harley is absolutely elite in there as as long as he has the tank to do it(hes already been doing it for 2 years now) then why tf would we change anything?
As he gets more help the load will naturally lessen on him anyway

For now, I think the assumption should be that hes a pure mid.
People jump too quickly to label any attacking mid as a mid/hff hybrid instead of just letting them do their thing imo

Im not against drafting mids, ive never been against drafting mids.
There was a period there where I was all for Robey at pick 2 for example.

What im against is overcorrecting and drafting too many when we arguably have enough.
Im not so big on Sharp because the game is moving away from Sharp types, and CDT is the better prospect at pick 2. Thats all. Same as anyone who has taken a step back and had a proper look at things.

We have Hall, Gross, Banfield, Duursma, Evans, Harley, McCarthy, and Allan drafted over 3 drafts(this years guys are highly likely, i know we havent taken them yet) plus Hewett the year prior but he missed a season so hes in this group too.

Thats a huge cohort, and we still have Graham, Kelly, Yeo(maybe), and adding Dev plus Baker, Starcevich, and Hough can also chop out.

That makes at least 3-4 guys in their mid 20s who we are willing to play in the middle, plus a heap of kids and a couple of older guys.

Drafting 10+ teenage mids over 3 years IS overcorrecting, we have no idea what theyll be and we cant give them all opportunity to find out what they can be.

How many mids have taken at the top end? One and the jury is still out on Hewett.

The top 5 are where the bulls are, the top 5 are the game changers. Having 20 other mids that have decencies and low strike rate doesnt change this.

 

[Farang83150]

Do we have a go at Cody Curtin or do the Crows get a him?

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Of course taking Sharp or not isn’t going to be the thing that will make or break the list build.

The thing about just piling on mids is the thing I question about your post. It’s just not going to happen in that positional area where we are over correcting and position where we are so short in depth because we take a player or two some prefer not to get.

If we go down the CDT path it could 100% happen in the key forward position but they might think is upside is too good to say no to and they could also like the midfield throw some magnets around. Just like a large majority of our list that will create more unknowns but while 2025 was a season of trial and error so will be 2026 but hopefully a bit more settled

At least CDT could be trialled in all thirds of the ground though. He's versatile.

 

[kokedoodledoo]

After reading this the past few days the issue is we have so many unknowns on our list. Too many players that we don’t know their ceiling.