List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[Patron]

Very keen on getting to 9, should be 1 of the top group falling out. It’s likely Farrow but there’s a chance Sharp/Grlj could still be available.

I think one of Grilj or Sharp is there. If not Farrow will be. I have the below as the most likely combo for Sharp to still be there at 9 which would be a dream for us.

1​	WCE	Duursma
2​	WCE	CDT
3​	Rich	Robey
4​	Rich	Grilj
5​	Ess	Cumming
6​	Ess	X Taylor
7​	Melb	Schubert
8​	Melb	Dovaston/Farrow
9​	WCE	Sharp

 

[txbyhull]

If we give up 13 and 34 just to draft Farrow I'll be so disappointed

 

[CountryLad]

Won't this be Hewetts's first real pre season since he got on top of his foot issues?

I think he will be really good next year.

It was a joke. I like the swagger and think he has plenty of upside due to his interrupted pre seasons to date. Let’s hope that foot stays good.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Essendon are considering a trade of 21,27 for 15,36 with Gold Coast

I’m then proposing that 15 gets traded to either Saints or Crows for a F1 pick

Essendon then trade 5,30 and that F1 to us for 2 and 41

Overall they’d have traded 5,21,27,30 for 2,36,41

Interesting, would leave us with very strong draft hands two years in a row. I like it.

 

[Keys]

If we give up 13 and 34 just to draft Farrow I'll be so disappointed

Look at the alternative though

If we retain 13 then in all likelihood Dovaston and Farrow have both gone along with 2-3 of Lindsay, O Taylor, Phillipou, Schubert and Marsh

So instead of Farrow we might be looking at someone like Barker - who’s a good player but something of a risk coming off an ACL

There’s not a big gap between 34 and 41 so trading 34 whilst retaining 41 still gives us a decent chance of matching a Williams bid or having a solid player to choose from if we don’t/can’t match

The fifth and final spot I expect we’ll hold open to match a possible bid on either Banfield or Evans

Farrow is a talented player and unless Dovaston (or Sharp per the Patron scenario above) is still there then he’s arguably the best available at that point. And a better option than Lindsay or the lesser Taylor

 

[txbyhull]

Look at the alternative though

If we retain 13 then in all likelihood Dovaston and Farrow have both gone along with 2-3 of Lindsay, O Taylor, Phillipou, Schubert and Marsh

So instead of Farrow we might be looking at someone like Barker - who’s a good player but something of a risk coming off an ACL

There’s not a big gap between 34 and 41 so trading 34 whilst retaining 41 still gives us a decent chance of matching a Williams bid or having a solid player to choose from if we don’t/can’t match

The fifth and final spot I expect we’ll hold open to match a possible bid on either Banfield or Evans

Farrow is a talented player and unless Dovaston (or Sharp per the Patron scenario above) is still there then he’s arguably the best available at that point. And a better option than Lindsay or the lesser Taylor

Yeah that's fair mate, I moreso meant who we pick at 9, not the trading up to 9.

I'd rather take a slider, Dovaston, Oskar Taylor, and Barker all before I'm taking Farrow. But that is just personally judgement.

Club will do what they think is best!

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yeah that's fair mate, I moreso meant who we pick at 9, not the trading up to 9.

I'd rather take a slider, Dovaston, Oskar Taylor, and Barker all before I'm taking Farrow. But that is just personally judgement.

Club will do what they think is best!

Thats my grave concern here.

 

[stallon]

The thing is we don’t have those pure mid players to even over correct.

Hewett, Harley, McCarthy clearly can play in other positions so drafting mids won’t really effect them and if it does it’s likely a good thing these blokes are able to play a percentage forward or off half back flank.

Duursma has shown the play all over the ground if he is an Eagles next year.

IMO Hall and Kelly are the only two on the list that if they are playing they pretty much have to play in the midfield or they don’t play. Hall is a question mark to even make the level and Kelly’s likely in his last two years.

If we went 4 x Dyson Sharp types in this draft that would be over correcting but it’s not the case. We ‘might’ take 1 that most would see struggle playing anywhere else at an high level in the afl. Even Cumming has an outside game that could be damaging around the ground and in front of goal

Id argue Harley is a pure mid, thats where he has been playing aside from his few rests in game and as he gets fitter he will only play midfield even more.
--Its crazy people want to move him out of the middle when hes already been playing pure mid since day 1 basically, and hes been very good at it.
Hewett imo is likely to be a 60%+ CBA player long term. Thats how hes been used lately, he was drafted as a mid, he wants to play mid, it all lines up.
Hall is a mid only obviously.
Gross maybe a rotation
McCarthy should probably be a 60-70% CBA guy rotating on a wing or HB
Kelly is still a 30-60% CBA guy if he can keep some form up

1 pure mid isnt overcorrecting but with Dev likely to play regularly, and Graham around still for a long time to come, the rush isnt there.
If we assume Duursma, Hewett, and Harley are our prime movers in the middle long term we dont really need to rush here, we can find a defensive mid from anywhere, Ginbey/Allan/Dev/Hall could all be our long term solution here we just dont know yet what the club has in mind. Still have 3+ years on this anyway as McCarthy, Dev and Graham are around to fill gaps

We dont really need more full time mids than that.
Just because Duursma, Hewett and Harley can play elsewhere doesnt mean they have to, they should all be very good as pure mids.
We have forwards and half backs that we dont need those 3 to play anywhere else

 

[stallon]

I’d like to point out that if I replaced every CDT with Sharp and every Sharp with CDT that it sounds exactly the same way. You’re not really breaking any new ground here brother. My main issue with the people that bemoan a Sharp pick and champion a CDT pick is that they’re A). Usually completely off base with some takes, mainly saying he’s a shit kick (little bit the speed but that’s whatever, it’s not a trait he’s great with so fair game). And B). Got a superiority complex that just because it’s what the club is probably going to do means then suggesting they should look elsewhere is seen as ridiculous to even suggest.

It’s not a reach for anyone that’s actually watched him. The people that yell Sharp is rated in the 6-10 range are ignoring that in a fair couple of form guides and mocks CDT is also slipping lately. You can find a source for almost every opinion, so I personally hate this argument point. Form your opinions

Most of the people saying not to take Sharp are just saying no to Sharp at pick 2, as CDT is the better prospect almost universally outside of this board.
We all acknowledge Sharp is the best pure inside mid in the draft.

If we had pick 3 or 4 those people against Sharp would not be so, as thats about where hes ranked in the open pool (imo hes 4th, but 6-10 in the total pool)

The people against CDT are the ones calling him a forward or something, that hes useless at his actual role - ruckman

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Id argue Harley is a pure mid, thats where he has been playing aside from his few rests in game and as he gets fitter he will only play midfield even more.
--Its crazy people want to move him out of the middle when hes already been playing pure mid since day 1 basically, and hes been very good at it.
Hewett imo is likely to be a 60%+ CBA player long term. Thats how hes been used lately, he was drafted as a mid, he wants to play mid, it all lines up.
Hall is a mid only obviously.
Gross maybe a rotation
McCarthy should probably be a 60-70% CBA guy rotating on a wing or HB
Kelly is still a 30-60% CBA guy if he can keep some form up

1 pure mid isnt overcorrecting but with Dev likely to play regularly, and Graham around still for a long time to come, the rush isnt there.
If we assume Duursma, Hewett, and Harley are our prime movers in the middle long term we dont really need to rush here, we can find a defensive mid from anywhere, Ginbey/Allan/Dev/Hall could all be our long term solution here we just dont know yet what the club has in mind. Still have 3+ years on this anyway as McCarthy, Dev and Graham are around to fill gaps

We dont really need more full time mids than that.
Just because Duursma, Hewett and Harley can play elsewhere doesnt mean they have to, they should all be very good as pure mids.
We have forwards and half backs that we dont need those 3 to play anywhere else

I agree with most of what you say, but not on Kelly, he’s cooked in my opinion and I would like to see he him phased out of the team this year.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Most of the people saying not to take Sharp are just saying no to Sharp at pick 2, as CDT is the better prospect almost universally outside of this board.
We all acknowledge Sharp is the best pure inside mid in the draft.

If we had pick 3 or 4 those people against Sharp would not be so, as thats about where hes ranked in the open pool (imo hes 4th, but 6-10 in the total pool)

The people against CDT are the ones calling him a forward or something, that hes useless at his actual role - ruckman

Or that he is only a forward. Guy will have versatility across the board. More of a case of taking him and seeing what he becomes.

 

[stallon]

People also need to stop arbitrarily grading midfielders with letters of the alphabet as it adds nothing to your argument and only contributes to the circular arguments on this thread.

Its just a way to sort of say how strong our midfield might be, some peoples rankings arent great but its something to aim for, 1-3 very good players(a-graders), a couple of just good players(B-graders) and then just whoever around them as role players

Its the people saying for example Hewett a mid, putting him down to b-grader or a hff or something that really makes this an issue

 

[Astro7]

Harley didnt look jacked at the caravan and camping show today, but he did look like he had much much lower body fat compared to any time ive seen

Well that's a good start.

 

[txbyhull]

Most of the people saying not to take Sharp are just saying no to Sharp at pick 2, as CDT is the better prospect almost universally outside of this board.
We all acknowledge Sharp is the best pure inside mid in the draft.

If we had pick 3 or 4 those people against Sharp would not be so, as thats about where hes ranked in the open pool (imo hes 4th, but 6-10 in the total pool)

The people against CDT are the ones calling him a forward or something, that hes useless at his actual role - ruckman

You can't go from quoting consensus outside of the board on Sharp, only to turn around and deny it for CDT. Its now widely agreed that he's not a number 1 ruck and likely won't ever be. He's now considered to be a ruck in a duo rotating into the forward line as a KPF. He will be a forward at AFL level for a few years, thats just a fact

 

[Elite Pete]

Id argue Harley is a pure mid, thats where he has been playing aside from his few rests in game and as he gets fitter he will only play midfield even more.
--Its crazy people want to move him out of the middle when hes already been playing pure mid since day 1 basically, and hes been very good at it.
Hewett imo is likely to be a 60%+ CBA player long term. Thats how hes been used lately, he was drafted as a mid, he wants to play mid, it all lines up.
Hall is a mid only obviously.
Gross maybe a rotation
McCarthy should probably be a 60-70% CBA guy rotating on a wing or HB
Kelly is still a 30-60% CBA guy if he can keep some form up

1 pure mid isnt overcorrecting but with Dev likely to play regularly, and Graham around still for a long time to come, the rush isnt there.
If we assume Duursma, Hewett, and Harley are our prime movers in the middle long term we dont really need to rush here, we can find a defensive mid from anywhere, Ginbey/Allan/Dev/Hall could all be our long term solution here we just dont know yet what the club has in mind. Still have 3+ years on this anyway as McCarthy, Dev and Graham are around to fill gaps

We dont really need more full time mids than that.
Just because Duursma, Hewett and Harley can play elsewhere doesnt mean they have to, they should all be very good as pure mids.
We have forwards and half backs that we dont need those 3 to play anywhere else

You ain’t changing your draft preferences for Graham and Dev playing mid time.

Harley I think most would see and ideally used in the Dusty type of mid fwd role if we can get enough quality mids so he can get moved out of there for decent periods of the game.

Im a Hewett man but who knows, very much an unknown of he can be that type of mid or a mid/hff.

You’ve always been against mids and recruiting them and even 12 months on and with the known public path we are going down to get mids in the door through trade*, DFA and draft, yet your eyes still haven’t opened up.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

This. Hutchinson cops a lot but he's coming from a long way back as a mature age prospect playing in an abysmal side.

I still think what we drafted him for was what we saw in his first game in the WAFL. There aren't too many high pressure defensive forward who also have high marking, goal kicking capabilities in the AFL. He could be a fritsch.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Are people put off by Farrow being labelled a half back flanker?

Looks an excellent prospect to me. Can accumulate far better than Ginbey and is a much better kick than Bo.

Would be very happy if we can pick him up.

 

[CountryLad]

Thats my grave concern here.

I’m confused here. What’s the alternative? Do there worst? Do there half best? Don’t do anything? Do there Bestest?(not even a word but still), Do something……..

 

[stallon]

You can't go from quoting consensus outside of the board on Sharp, only to turn around and deny it for CDT. Its now widely agreed that he's not a number 1 ruck and likely won't ever be. He's now considered to be a ruck in a duo rotating into the forward line as a KPF. He will be a forward at AFL level for a few years, thats just a fact

Thats fine though? Most ruckmen who play early do just that. I dont claim that CDT is a number 1 ruck, but he is a ruckman

We have Archer too, who is good at tapwork stuff and should probably be our number 1 ruck from 2027 onwards assuming hes ready.

I dont see how people can argue CDT isnt a great pick for us honestly, outside the argument we need mids more
CDT can play ruck, but we wont need him to be the number 1 guy.

 

[CountryLad]

Are people put off by Farrow being labelled a half back flanker?

Looks an excellent prospect to me. Can accumulate far better than Ginbey and is a much better kick than Bo.

Would be very happy if we can pick him up.

Some people want a midfielder for the 12 days of Xmas and certainly no CDT in a pear tree.

 

[stallon]

Are people put off by Farrow being labelled a half back flanker?

Looks an excellent prospect to me. Can accumulate far better than Ginbey and is a much better kick than Bo.

Would be very happy if we can pick him up.

That seems to be basically the entire argument against Farrow.

He would be a great get imo.

Farrow, Ginbey and Allan, put one of them into the middle and the other 2 off half back. Farrow our distributor for a couple of years at least until we flesh out the midfield and see where we stand.

Its just the midfield stuff, and it being likely we take CDT that makes people off him, even if hes likely best available at our 3rd pick

 

[txbyhull]

Are people put off by Farrow being labelled a half back flanker?

Looks an excellent prospect to me. Can accumulate far better than Ginbey and is a much better kick than Bo.

Would be very happy if we can pick him up.

Thats fine but I think people are just tired of ANOTHER draftee who's being drafted to play a position he only got thrown into for a little bit of his draft year. I'd love to just draft a mid who's been a mid for years and nows what they're doing.

 

[eaglevision]

Are people put off by Farrow being labelled a half back flanker?

Looks an excellent prospect to me. Can accumulate far better than Ginbey and is a much better kick than Bo.

Would be very happy if we can pick him up.

Labelled? That’s his position. What do you see in Farrow that you like as a midfielder?

 

[txbyhull]

Thats fine though? Most ruckmen who play early do just that. I dont claim that CDT is a number 1 ruck, but he is a ruckman

We have Archer too, who is good at tapwork stuff and should probably be our number 1 ruck from 2027 onwards assuming hes ready.

I dont see how people can argue CDT isnt a great pick for us honestly, outside the argument we need mids more
CDT can play ruck, but we wont need him to be the number 1 guy.

This is majority of the whole argument. The reasonable knocks on both as I see them are:

CDT: Not as much of a need as Sharp / position for the first couple years, aerial ability doesn't fill you with confidence (chest marks, 2 or 3 grabs)

Sharp: Non-plus speed (he's not ****ing slow guys he's just not Petch), average kick, not an x-factor / flashy player

 

[Astro7]

I agree with most of what you say, but not on Kelly, he’s cooked in my opinion and I would like to see he him phased out of the team this year.

Kelly pushing 32 in mid season '26, but I still feel he has value (HF?) especially if the team dynamics change with better supply and skills around him.

Hewett not yet proficient in the mid, gets nailed too often, doesn't get that breakaway gap on his oppo, in traffic. Bit of a one trick pony with his stoppage burst around goals, needs to hone his midfield craft more. But was making good progress in the back half of the season.

Gross and Allan should go the next step this preseason. (hopium)