2025 Draft Thread

[stavro#4]

Our first pick keeps dropping

 

[BrutThough]

Our first pick keeps dropping

What do you think it will come into?

 

[stavro#4]

What do you think it will come into?

Good question. I may have made a mistake as it’s hard to track all the trades but I’ve got the following picks all being used for matching.

17, 23, 44
21, 27, 30
15, 18, 24, 28, 29, 36
31, 32, 42
34, 41
35,48,49

Probably 10 academy/father sons take before our pick

Roughly 38-41 is where it lands

 

[Remboy]

What do you think it will come into?

At this rate we could end up in the top ten.

 

[saintmike65]

Good question. I may have made a mistake as it’s hard to track all the trades but I’ve got the following picks all being used for matching.

17, 23, 44
21, 27, 30
15, 18, 24, 28, 29, 36
31, 32, 42
34, 41
35,48,49

Probably 10 academy/father sons take before our pick

Roughly 38-41 is where it lands

That would be a good range if it pans out that way..

 

[saintmike65]

So with Said being delisted we will have three picks plus the Caminiti upgrade.

Sounds like Byrnes is getting redrafted in the National Draft.

You know the draft is god awful when that's occurring.

How can Said get delisted when he's only been at the club 12 months?
Thought a drafted player outside the first round gets 2 years initially.
Regarding Byrnes, he's truly blessed if he's re drafted

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Good question. I may have made a mistake as it’s hard to track all the trades but I’ve got the following picks all being used for matching.

17, 23, 44
21, 27, 30
15, 18, 24, 28, 29, 36
31, 32, 42
34, 41
35,48,49

Probably 10 academy/father sons take before our pick

Roughly 38-41 is where it lands

At some stage the club have to start showing some loyalty to these academy kids who commit to our club. You can imagine the kids themselves believing from an early age that if they good enough they will be playing for the Saints. Then when the time comes the club does a lazarus, it wouldnt be a great selling point for future academy kids and their families.

I can understand the clubs position not wanting to move back in next years draft, but surely having a kid who's heart and sole in wanting to play for the Saints has more future than moving back a few positions in a draft.

The Fincher issue for the club is that others like him (Geelong, Dogs) their earlier picks will also come in. Geelong currently have pick #40 and Dogs pick #33 which will also move 7-8 positions. Dogs at #25 probably look at others, but Geelong are our biggest risk.

Lets say our worst case scenario is Geelong bid at #32 and we then hold #40 we will still be left with a decent points deficit (321 points). Thats the difference of next years 1st rounder dropping from 14 to 22, which we have said we wont match. My thoughts are the club needs to draw a line in the sand and give these kids (within reason) a garuantee that they will be picked up!

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

At some stage the club have to start showing some loyalty to these academy kids who commit to our club. You can imagine the kids themselves believing from an early age that if they good enough they will be playing for the Saints. Then when the time comes the club does a lazarus, it wouldnt be a great selling point for future academy kids and their families.

I can understand the clubs position not wanting to move back in next years draft, but surely having a kid who's heart and sole in wanting to play for the Saints has more future than moving back a few positions in a draft.

The Fincher issue for the club is that others like him (Geelong, Dogs) their earlier picks will also come in. Geelong currently have pick #40 and Dogs pick #33 which will also move 7-8 positions. Dogs at #25 probably look at others, but Geelong are our biggest risk.

Lets say our worst case scenario is Geelong bid at #32 and we then hold #40 we will still be left with a decent points deficit (321 points). Thats the difference of next years 1st rounder dropping from 14 to 22, which we have said we wont match. My thoughts are the club needs to draw a line in the sand and give these kids a garuantee that they will be picked up!

The club's only commitment should be to drafting the most talented kids available.

Imagine overlooking Hugh Boxhall just because we'd guaranteed Adrian Cole a spot.

 

[BrutThough]

At some stage the club have to start showing some loyalty to these academy kids who commit to our club. You can imagine the kids themselves believing from an early age that if they good enough they will be playing for the Saints. Then when the time comes the club does a lazarus, it wouldnt be a great selling point for future academy kids and their families.

I can understand the clubs position not wanting to move back in next years draft, but surely having a kid who's heart and sole in wanting to play for the Saints has more future than moving back a few positions in a draft.

The Fincher issue for the club is that others like him (Geelong, Dogs) their earlier picks will also come in. Geelong currently have pick #40 and Dogs pick #33 which will also move 7-8 positions. Dogs at #25 probably look at others, but Geelong are our biggest risk.

Lets say our worst case scenario is Geelong bid at #32 and we then hold #40 we will still be left with a decent points deficit (321 points). Thats the difference of next years 1st rounder dropping from 14 to 22, which we have said we wont match. My thoughts are the club needs to draw a line in the sand and give these kids a garuantee that they will be picked up!

The club will give guarantees to anyone good enough to warrant one.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The club's only commitment should be to drafting the most talented kids available.

Imagine overlooking Hugh Boxhall just because we'd guaranteed Adrian Cole a spot.

Bailey Rice :....when Jordan Dawson was available. Fail.
Windhager :Success
Owens : Success.
Peris : Fail.
Kyle : Fail.
McLennan : Fail.

Bigoa Nyuon , didn't match Richmond. Delisted after a couple of years.
Cole , didn't draft, neither did anyone.

Its not like we never take on these kids. I wonder if the likes of Peris and Kyle are eternally grateful that they got a shot.

 

[stavro#4]

At some stage the club have to start showing some loyalty to these academy kids who commit to our club. You can imagine the kids themselves believing from an early age that if they good enough they will be playing for the Saints. Then when the time comes the club does a lazarus, it wouldnt be a great selling point for future academy kids and their families.

I can understand the clubs position not wanting to move back in next years draft, but surely having a kid who's heart and sole in wanting to play for the Saints has more future than moving back a few positions in a draft.

The Fincher issue for the club is that others like him (Geelong, Dogs) their earlier picks will also come in. Geelong currently have pick #40 and Dogs pick #33 which will also move 7-8 positions. Dogs at #25 probably look at others, but Geelong are our biggest risk.

Lets say our worst case scenario is Geelong bid at #32 and we then hold #40 we will still be left with a decent points deficit (321 points). Thats the difference of next years 1st rounder dropping from 14 to 22, which we have said we wont match. My thoughts are the club needs to draw a line in the sand and give these kids a garuantee that they will be picked up!

No they don’t.

Nuts opinion if you think that.

The only thing the club should be doing is ensuring it’s getting the best talent available and if missing out on Fincher means landing a Greaves Ludowyke or Pou Jnr - I’ll be perfectly happy (all left over in Twomeys mock draft)

 

[SaintJunior]

How can Said get delisted when he's only been at the club 12 months?
Thought a drafted player outside the first round gets 2 years initially.
Regarding Byrnes, he's truly blessed if he's re drafted

Think Byrnes has the same photos of Ross that Robert Eddy had.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

No they don’t.

Nuts opinion if you think that.

The only thing the club should be doing is ensuring it’s getting the best talent available and if missing out on Fincher means landing a Greaves Ludowyke or Pou Jnr - I’ll be perfectly happy (all left over in Twomeys mock draft)

The likelihood of any those players mentioned sliding to our pick is zero. For me Greeves is a complete do not want. He is far too slow for the modern game, it would be nuts to select him at any position in the draft.

I probably didn't explain it well enough, but it's not nuts to suggest the difference between a pick rated 32 & 40 as negligible and showing some loyalty to a kid committed to the club as the over riding benefit.

Geelong have shown a much better strike rate than us at the draft over the years, so if they rate Fincher higher, they are not just bidding for the sake of it.

Unless we trade in we are not going to get a better kid than Fincher with our first pick #50 or what ever it comes in at.

 

[SaintSteele9]

I asked a relative who is involved in the CTL about Fincher, generally positive feedback without being effusive. “Can defend when he wants to” was an interesting observation; he would want to under RTB I’m tipping!!

 

[CursingFijian]

At some stage the club have to start showing some loyalty to these academy kids who commit to our club.

We do, our commitment is in the resources we provide them to allow them to follow their dream of playing in the AFL. There would be plenty who get culled on day one of a weekend clinic if it was about sorting the wheat from the chaff.

When draft day comes around if you've shown enough, you'll get taken.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

We do, our commitment is in the resources we provide them to allow them to follow their dream of playing in the AFL. There would be plenty who get culled on day one of a weekend clinic if it was about sorting the wheat from the chaff.

When draft day comes around if you've shown enough, you'll get taken.

Agreed, Im not suggesting we take every NGA kid that comes through the club - talent and list balance has to come into play. But when they are the best or close to the those around that level or available pick, I think we should do what we can to select them. Particularly when a running small defender has become a list need.

My thoughts are highlighted by if he has shown enough to be picked up by another club before our pick, then (within reason) surely the resources we have put into them has to come into the decision making? I guess I am basically a loyal individual and like to see the effort and loyalty of these kids rewarded.

I also think sometimes its possible recruiters see too much of our own (Sandringham) kids and lose perspective compared to others? I will be really interested to see how Lennox Hofmann goes this year at Geelong after returning from injury. I imagine he wasnt taken because we had a number of similiar players and took Tauru in the same draft. The irony being that Webster, McLennan and Shoenmakers have this year left the club. In any event hopefully Patrick Said becomes twice the player of Hofmann.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

At some stage the club have to start showing some loyalty to these academy kids who commit to our club. You can imagine the kids themselves believing from an early age that if they good enough they will be playing for the Saints. Then when the time comes the club does a lazarus, it wouldnt be a great selling point for future academy kids and their families.

I can understand the clubs position not wanting to move back in next years draft, but surely having a kid who's heart and sole in wanting to play for the Saints has more future than moving back a few positions in a draft.

The Fincher issue for the club is that others like him (Geelong, Dogs) their earlier picks will also come in. Geelong currently have pick #40 and Dogs pick #33 which will also move 7-8 positions. Dogs at #25 probably look at others, but Geelong are our biggest risk.

Lets say our worst case scenario is Geelong bid at #32 and we then hold #40 we will still be left with a decent points deficit (321 points). Thats the difference of next years 1st rounder dropping from 14 to 22, which we have said we wont match. My thoughts are the club needs to draw a line in the sand and give these kids (within reason) a garuantee that they will be picked up!

Am I missing something here - roughly a 170 point gap between 32 and 40 and there is still a discount at that point, isn’t there? If 65 comes into 50-ish, that’s another - minimal, but helps - 70 odd points.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

Am I missing something here - roughly a 170 point gap between 32 and 40 and there is still a discount at that point, isn’t there? If 65 comes into 50-ish, that’s another - minimal, but helps - 70 odd points.

Apologies you are mostly right.

Pick #32 after the 10% discount = 321 points, minus say pick #40 at 238 points comes out at 83 points. Thats more like our 1st next year dropping 3 or 4 spots. Pick 50 to 40 will come down to the number of points burnt on matching bids before ours.

The points allocation now finish at pick #54 so our later picks wont carry any points. Bids are matched by next available after pick #36 eg a bid at #37 can be matched by our pick #50. It takes a bit of getting the old scon around these new rules.

 

[CaptainRisky]

The club's only commitment should be to drafting the most talented kids available.

Imagine overlooking Hugh Boxhall just because we'd guaranteed Adrian Cole a spot.

He had his own fan club on here and thank god the clubs knows more than the supporters , We are here too win a flag not be gifting positions on a list

 

[bergholt]

How can Said get delisted when he's only been at the club 12 months?
Thought a drafted player outside the first round gets 2 years initially.
Regarding Byrnes, he's truly blessed if he's re drafted

The 2 years is the contract but that doesn't mean he has to be on the list. You can delist them the day after you draft them, but you have to keep paying them for that entire period (and put it under the salary cap) whether they're listed or not.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

He had his own fan club on here and thank god the clubs knows more than the supporters , We are here too win a flag not be gifting positions on a list

No one is gifting positions, quite the contrary. If Fincher is bid on and taken at pick #30 thats his draft value. All I was suggesting is the club should pay the difference to take a kid who has been in our system. He is our NGA option, so unless we trade we wont get to select another kid anywhere near that high.

I was one who was out spoken about how limited Cole was last year and copped it from self professed experts as a result. How has that turned out.

I was also dead against recruiting Boyd, others were claiming him as the next coming of Shane Mumford. He was a short sighted decision and a wasted list position - again how did that turn out.

We all want to win a flag, people see different things in young players just like 'rubbish everywhere' thats fine.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Apologies you are mostly right.

Pick #32 after the 10% discount = 321 points, minus say pick #40 at 238 points comes out at 83 points. Thats more like our 1st next year dropping 3 or 4 spots. Pick 50 to 40 will come down to the number of points burnt on matching bids before ours.

The points allocation now finish at pick #54 so our later picks wont carry any points. Bids are matched by next available after pick #36 eg a bid at #37 can be matched by our pick #50. It takes a bit of getting the old scon around these new rules.

i think the discount becomes a flat 197 or some random number after the first round, but i could be wrong on when that kicks in.

 

[CaptainRisky]

No one is gifting positions, quite the contrary. If Fincher is bid on and taken at pick #30 thats his draft value. All I was suggesting is the club should pay the difference to take a kid who has been in our system. He is our NGA option, so unless we trade we wont get to select another kid anywhere near that high.

I was one who was out spoken about how limited Cole was last year and copped it from self professed experts as a result. How has that turned out.

I was also dead against recruiting Boyd, others were claiming him as the next coming of Shane Mumford. He was a short sighted decision and a wasted list position - again how did that turn out.

We all want to win a flag, people see different things in young players just like 'rubbish everywhere' thats fine.

I was just agreeing with Winmar2Lockett about Box over Cole and your old Rubbish comment is getting really boring , try something new

 

[ThomasR]

i think the discount becomes a flat 197 or some random number after the first round, but i could be wrong on when that kicks in.

used to be 197 (20% of pick 18 ie 985 points)

now it's a flat 84 points between 19-36 (10% of pick 18 ie 836 points) and next pick available after that

 

[TheJackal]

That would be a good range if it pans out that way..

Im not convinced that Gold Coast keep hold of 15 & 18 still either.