Who won the Bryce Gibbs Trade?

[ABAB]

Gibbs was easily worth pick 10 and 5 picks downgrade from pick 16 in the first half when both M.Crouch and Sloane were both injured and was very important for us to just be outside the top 4 half way through the season but he turned to shit after that along with the entire team when the CM camp came to light.

 

[Interloperer]

Of the three, Cameron is the one I'm convinced there was nothing we could have done to keep him (by mid-to-late 2017 at any rate). Lever and Gov were about the money, but I've always got the sense that Charlie saw the writing on the wall with the club and wanted out before shit hit the fan.

Normal clubs consider the loss of Cameron a failure. Either through not trying hard enough to keep him, or not valuing him highly enough.

The only reason it doesn't seem so bad is that it's next to the generationally bad list management in the decade surrounding it.

 

[Apsaalooke]

We lost this way back in 2006 when we drafted a guy as pick 48 3rd rounder, a pick we would’ve used to select Gibbs as a F/S if Rucci hadn’t dobbed us in.

Who was that guy? David Mackay

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David Mackay

Age

37

Ht

181cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

315.4

4star

D

16.5

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.0

3star

MG

265.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

 

[WetCrow1991]

We'll never know what happens if Burton/Pyke didn't decide to go for the full "players aren't mentally tough enough" bullshit routine and treated a grand final loss as "shit happens".

That squad wasn't making another Grand Final.

 

[50BC]

Absolutely no winners in that whole affair

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Gibbs did well. Collected his front loading bonus from Carlton and then we kept paying it. Even for an extra year after we asked him to leave the club.

More like whoever gained from his gambling habit was the real winner...

 

[Golumless]

That squad wasn't making another Grand Final.

Possible that's the case, but we'll never know. Our coaching group guaranteed it wasn't the moment they decided to shift the blame on the players.

Normal clubs consider the loss of Cameron a failure. Either through not trying hard enough to keep him, or not valuing him highly enough.

The only reason it doesn't seem so bad is that it's next to the generationally bad list management in the decade surrounding it.

It wasn't list management that put us into a full blown rebuild. That just got sucked in the maelstrom that was an upper administrative (and coaching group) that was fully about self-preservation.

Bad administrators destroy football clubs.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Carlton

The only reason it's even slightly even is because Carlton are rubbish at drafting

Ed Richard was drafted with the second pick we gave to Carlton for Gibbs

To make it even worse, we picked up Lochie O'Brien instead of Ed Richards because his car broke down on the freeway on his way to his meeting with the Blues and SOS cracked the shits with him. Richards said in a few later interviews that the Blues had said they were pretty set on selecting him before that issue.

A real SOS special...

 

[adelaidecrows]

Bryce Gibbs

 

[skittlebrew]

Everyone lost

 

[jimvic]

As many of you would remember back in 2017, Adelaide and Carlton made a trade to bring in Bryce Gibbs.

Adelaide lost 2 1st rd picks, 1 5th rd pick, and a future 2nd rd pick
Carlton gave us Bryce Gibbs, 1 5th rd pick, a future 2nd rd pick and a future 3rd rd pick.

As the years have gone, players have been drafted, remaining picks have been packaged with others, and we still to this day don't have the final picture.

Early on no one did anything of note.
Looked like it was a lose/lose
But there were still 1 player on each team still kicking.
In 2024 - It finally started to look like Carlton was going to win the trade as their last remaining player took another step forward.
But in 2025 it swung back to on par, maybe an Adelaide lean as the last player Adelaide got from all of it, made it to the AA squad.

But now what it had become is now a question mark again.

The Carlton player who was holding things up was TDK. He left for St Kilda as a free agent.
Carlton got 1 draft pick as compensation, which they sent to Essendon for steak knives, 1 of which they ontraded elsewhere for steak knives.
But they used 2 in the Curnow/Hayward Trade. So we need to extrapolate what part of that trade was the trade for the 2 2nd rd picks. Was it Hayward? Was it the 2026 1st tied to Sydney? Or was it the 2027 1st tied to Sydney?

Lets go with the 2026 1st as the 2027 is effectively a 2nd rd pick due to Tassie compensation in that draft.

So who won the trade?

Carlton: 2026 1st Rd Draft pick (Tied to Sydney)
Adelaide: Josh Worrell

I'm thinking Adelaide once all is said and done.

surely Gibbs won it

 

[1970crow]

surely Gibbs won it

Gibbs comfortably the biggest winner

Blues did ok, although you’d expect Gibbs would have been a better player for longer if he’d stayed.

It was definitely a terrible, terrible outcome for us, but the trade metrics and what we were trying to do doesn’t make it a terrible decision. What made it worse was Fraudan’s intervention and hamstringing Reid. But even at a bit more of a discount, it still turns out to be a horrific result.

I think you’re always going to be up against it targeting a wanted contracted player. And if you’re not allowed to walk away, you’re stuffed.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

Cameron was probably more about the money than any of the others - almost tripled his wage going to Brisbane.

Money and to be closer to his family in WA

 

[adelaidecrows]

Money and to be closer to his family in WA

Its funny how our ex players who leave for family take the long way home. Cameron went to WA via demanding a trade to Brisbane...for family of course and Tippet moved to Sydney for family reasons even though his family live in Brisbane.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

The trade itself was fine. We paid the absolute maximum but that's the situation we put ourselves in. Our premiership window was probably 2015-2017. In true crows style we finally got the top up player at the end of 2017.

 

[Rotayjay]

You have to think about it in terms of what we would have done with the picks, not what Carlton did.