Scandal Tom Silvagni convicted of rape

[Saucery]

If the evidence is undeniable, then no, if it was my son doing such a heinous thing, I'd be on for him copping the proper punishment.

The Silvagni's:

 

[zeggie]

If the evidence is undeniable, then no, if it was my son doing such a heinous thing, I'd be on for him copping the proper punishment.

Exactly this. "Being a father" or "supporting your son" is not the equivalent of defending them to the end, in spite of the victim and the evidence. Supporting TS to learn from their mistakes. Supporting TS to take responsibility. Supporting TS through the difficult many years he is going to be incarcerated, and his life subsequent to parole.

Not ignoring the victim, and making stupid public statements as today essentially indicating they will fight it to the bitter end in denial.

 

[WillHayward]

Nope

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'But the reality is that it is normally against the law to record a phone call without the other person’s consent.'

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'Under the Telecommunications (Interception) Act 1979 (Cth), it is generally illegal to record phone conversations without all parties’ consent.'

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Do you think somehow the phone conversation managed to get through the entire DPP and a judge and nobody questioned it but somehow you think it was "illegal"?

Firstly it's not illegal.
Second I don't know if they played the actual phone message?
Her retelling of the phone call is evidence.
He never disputed it anyway.

Not sure what rabbit hole you are going down here.

 

[WillHayward]

If they were campaigners then sure

That's probably what got the little campaigner to being such a campaigner in the first place

This kind of "mafia" mentality where you back your family no matter what.

The "honour" system.

 

[WillHayward]

Exactly this. "Being a father" or "supporting your son" is not the equivalent of defending them to the end, in spite of the victim and the evidence. Supporting TS to learn from their mistakes. Supporting TS to take responsibility. Supporting TS through the difficult many years he is going to be incarcerated, and his life subsequent to parole.

Not ignoring the victim, and making stupid public statements as today essentially indicating they will fight it to the bitter end in denial.

Hear hear!

Support can be providing emotional support and learnings etc.

Not supporting more lies and banging on about clearing the "family name".

 

[jpmelb7]

You’re the expert, you tell me. Thanks for that one example.

I'm not the expert. The High Court Justices supposedly are. People are denigrating SOS for stating his son's innocence & not accepting the verdict. Well there are appeals processes still to play out as juries do get verdicts wrong as I was highlighting by another high profile case. Perhaps he should've made no statement until then. People would then complain about his silence. A no win situation either way you look at it.

 

[Seattle Mariners]

Any idea what Tom’s looking at?

2, 5, 10, 15 years?

 

[thumbs_up]

Hear hear!

Support can be providing emotional support and learnings etc.

I honestly don't think he has another option, psychologically, than to live in denial.

Hear me out on this... The actions of his son are that of a psychopath. It's either my son is falsely accused or my son is a monster. There's no emotional support and learnings here.

He's accepted his son's account, despite the evidence, because he feels he has no other choice, IMO.

 

[_Mike_]

They were my exact thoughts that I posted three days ago until a mod deleted it!

BigFooty is not immune from legal action for a breach of a court order in Australia.
After the lifting of the suppression order it is no longer an issue.

 

[Saucery]

Any idea what Tom’s looking at?

2, 5, 10, 15 years?

Try Sportsbet.

 

[Rod Stroker]

It's not illegal if it's to protect your own legal interests . Which seems to be their case here.

And what do you mean by the silvagnis could "sue"??.
"Sue" who and for what?

In many countries (maybe not Oz) it is illegal to record phone conversations without consent from the other party. So if that recording is provided as evidence in court, the defendant can sue the other party for breaking the law to obtain evidence illegally.

 

[coryne]

I was fairly done with SOS and the Silvagni family before. Now I am glad that they are away from the club and, hopefully, won't be back.

 

[Bogart]

I agree. Probably just a "no comment" was appropriate for today in the circumstances.

Others will probably think this is trivial or I'm being overly sensitive or reading to much into it but to me this a pattern of behaviour.

It looks like they moved absolutely heaven and earth to get the suppression order (a KC went to the Supreme Crt over this) and then today the words he used were "clear his name".

This all strikes me as a bit offish. Seems like the main focus is on the "name" and "reputation" rather than dealing with actual human beings.

No I don’t think you’re reading too much into it! You raise a very valid point and probably the reason he is in this predicament. The family pride themselves on being important and wealthy. The culture of the Melbourne elite. Plus the name of Carlton Football Club is at stake.
Defend at any cost their “name” “reputation” and the dynasty of Silvagni at the club.

 

[Bogart]

I would like to know more about this. However I doubt we will ever hear the full story.

 

[WillHayward]

In many countries (maybe not Oz) it is illegal to record phone conversations without consent from the other party. So if that recording is provided as evidence in court, the defendant can sue the other party for breaking the law to obtain evidence illegally.

Thats not how it works.
If evidence is unlawfully obtained then the defence (and the judge) make sure it's not admitted and certainly not presented in open crt.
There are plenty of stages that have to happen before evidence finds it way to a jury.
So nobody is "suing" anyone here.
The defence would have had plenty of opportunities to vet and filter evidence along the way.

 

[Kappa]

Exactly this. "Being a father" or "supporting your son" is not the equivalent of defending them to the end, in spite of the victim and the evidence. Supporting TS to learn from their mistakes. Supporting TS to take responsibility. Supporting TS through the difficult many years he is going to be incarcerated, and his life subsequent to parole.

Not ignoring the victim, and making stupid public statements as today essentially indicating they will fight it to the bitter end in denial.

What if they genuinely believe their son is innocent?

 

[Kappa]

Thats not how it works.
If evidence is unlawfully obtained then the defence (and the judge) make sure it's not admitted and certainly not presented in open crt.
There are plenty of stages that have to happen before evidence finds it way to a jury.
So nobody is "suing" anyone here.
The defence would have plenty of opportunities to vet and filter evidence along the way.

Yes... and its legal to record conversations if they're related to a serious crime

 

[WOFTAMWarrior]

In many countries (maybe not Oz) it is illegal to record phone conversations without consent from the other party. So if that recording is provided as evidence in court, the defendant can sue the other party for breaking the law to obtain evidence illegally.

Who gives a crap about other countries legislation? The only legislation that matters is that in Australia and in this case specifically the legislation in Victoria.

No other jurisdiction matters and it obviously wasn’t deemed illegal by far more learned minds than yourself.

 

[10571z]

Where does this leave Silvangi in regards to a job inside the AFL?

He called a girl who just won a rape case a liar and has taken the side of a convicted rapist.

Yes it’s his son, but he still said those words.

 

[WillHayward]

I'm not the expert. The High Court Justices supposedly are. People are denigrating SOS for stating his son's innocence & not accepting the verdict. Well there are appeals processes still to play out as juries do get verdicts wrong as I was highlighting by another high profile case. Perhaps he should've made no statement until then. People would then complain about his silence. A no win situation either way you look at it.

I mean you are right. Juries aren't always right.
Probably just could have chosen his words better or just a "no comment" at this stage when emotions are so high.
He says "the kid is innocent".
Everyone else hears him calling the victim a liar.
It's a very sensitive situation and he was probably Ill advised to speak defiantly.
Very icky.

 

[thumbs_up]

What if they genuinely believe their son is innocent?

Then they're fools.

 

[WillHayward]

What if they genuinely believe their son is innocent?

Then just say something neutral like we are disappointed with the verdict and will talk to our lawyers when we have had time to process the shock.

Something like that

 

[Sarcoidevo]

I'll clarify.

SOS and his wife.

So you are championing the execution / burning at the stake of SOS & his wife who are not guilty of any crime?

Wow!!

 

[The Feeder Club]

More food for thought for the supporters of Victoria's gross overuse of suppression orders that contravenes the fundamental principle of open justice

The document helping lawyers keep their clients’ names secret

A how-to guide for barristers representing high-profile clients outlines tactics for obtaining suppression orders and seeking favourable treatment from police.

www.smh.com.au

Some illustrative quotes from the article that is behind a paywall:

Barristers are being advised on how to keep high-profile clients accused of serious crimes out of the spotlight with a how-to guide outlining tactics for obtaining suppression orders and seeking favourable treatment from police. The instructional document, circulated among the state’s leading barristers and obtained by this masthead, provides advice on the best time to apply for a gag order and exactly what to ask psychiatrists to include in reports for those based on a risk of self-harm or deteriorating mental health.

Jason Bosland, an associate professor at the University of Melbourne who has published material on cases including suppression orders made in the trial of the late Cardinal George Pell, said the state had seen a “massive increase” in mental safety suppression order applications over the past 12 months.“It is a real problem,” he said. “If you are an applicant who can afford to get psychiatric reports to say, ‘I’ve assessed the person and any publicity could lead to disastrous consequences’, you’ve got a guaranteed order. It’s not acceptable.”

 

[Sarcoidevo]

I was fairly done with SOS and the Silvagni family before. Now I am glad that they are away from the club and, hopefully, won't be back.

The Silvagni's will always be linked with Carlton first & foremost