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[MrsEddieBetts]

I think you guys missed some of my points.

Take a horror film, or a thriller for example, the actor should be continuously degrading throughout the film. From what I heard the things they did to Shelly Duval in the Shining would proably not be allowed today. But the point is the characters should be showing signs of stress and fatigue. When directors don't take this into consideration it massively detracts from the turmoil we SHOULD be able to see visually.

Do you have any examples of 'inauthenticity' that has bothered you?

 

[El Doederino]

In the early days I'd agree. Even in Gone Girl he had this ridiculous cheesy FIGJAM attitude and as much as I liked him in Paycheck it was his typical egotistical roles that got tiring after a while.

He definitely reinvented himself since at least 2010.

To be fair, his character in Gone Girl required someone to play it with that cheesy FIGJAM attitude. It’s central to the story.

 

[dumb]

I think you guys missed some of my points.

Take a horror film, or a thriller for example, the actor should be continuously degrading throughout the film. From what I heard the things they did to Shelly Duval in the Shining would proably not be allowed today. But the point is the characters should be showing signs of stress and fatigue. When directors don't take this into consideration it massively detracts from the turmoil we SHOULD be able to see visually.

ok, i definitely wasn't thinking of that kind of authenticity. i guess in the end, the director is delivering their interpretation of suffering, and we have our own interpretation of how that suffering will affect the character. visually it's more likely to seem unrealistic. story-wise i think inevitably some of the realism has to be parked or assumed as part of the plot, otherwise a movie may instead revolve around an accurate recreation of suffering and not go any further. we can't watch a character accurately mourn another character over a series of weeks, for example, and have a movie at the same time.

 

[swingdog]

when the character has a beard and its looks like pubes have been glued onto their face.

Look, my early twenties were a difficult time....

 

[phantom13]

How do people feel about authenticity in films?

Sometimes I look at scenes where actors look too clean and flawless and it throws me off because I'm thinking in this particular scene they really shouldn't be wearing make up, or have their hair done because if it were authentic then they'd look more rugged. I think about this with respect to shows like Vikings or like that.

In the movie Rich Flu with Mary Elizabeth Winstead I feel like it was more important for the authenticity but it was a perfect example of WHY it's important.

Spoiler

Her character goes from a super clean Billionaire absolutely flawless to having being stripped of nearly everything and she's exposed and vulnerable and she enters the last 1/3 of the film without make up and I loved the authenticity. Had she remained the same flaweless character then it wouldn't have been authentic

I'm also against fake accents where it isn't relevant to the story line but put in place to appease American film goers. I mean if the film is about the American revolution then an Australian accent isn't going to make sense so authenticity is important but if it's a post 1960s period then it's perfectly acceptable to have a non American accent in a movie and I detest Hollywood for demanding it from the main cast. I personally think if it doesn't contribute to the story then Australian and European actors should demand to use their natural voice.

I think you guys missed some of my points.

Take a horror film, or a thriller for example, the actor should be continuously degrading throughout the film. From what I heard the things they did to Shelly Duval in the Shining would proably not be allowed today. But the point is the characters should be showing signs of stress and fatigue. When directors don't take this into consideration it massively detracts from the turmoil we SHOULD be able to see visually.

Firstly i dont think you made the points youre claiming have been missed and youve framed the conversation around "authenticity" which is such a broad term it almost becomes meaningless. Its also completely insular to the movie itself. Your example about MEW is specific to THAT character and the way shes written and youve intepreted her. Alternately other films might show a character whos major value is in their appearance and everything else gets stripped away but they sacrifice or steal or whatever to maintain that and we see their desperation to cling onto it. Thats still authentic to the character and the movie but wouldnt fit your specific view of authenticity.

The way people have responded to the authenticity stuff is the generally accepted point, is it authentic to the time period, location, etc. I think pointing out anachronsims is pointless work but also a shitful Aussie accent that totally throws you out of the world is not good movie making (see QT in Django) that would be my line.

 

[phantom13]

In the early days I'd agree. Even in Gone Girl he had this ridiculous cheesy FIGJAM attitude and as much as I liked him in Paycheck it was his typical egotistical roles that got tiring after a while.

He definitely reinvented himself since at least 2010.

The heavy lifting in Gone Girl was done in the casting, Fincher speaks pretty openly about seeing Affleck on a talk show grinning and seeing the character RIGHT there.

Hes fantastic in that film because hes barely playing a part. He lacks range but hes also a ****ing movie star, hes gotta be given the right part IMO, opposed to say DDL (harsh line to give) who just becomes someone.

Affleck is always going to be at least a little bit Affleck baggage and all.

 

[Digsby]

Kelsey Grammer was better looking than Ted Danson on Cheers

 

[phantom13]

Kelsey Grammer was better looking than Ted Danson on Cheers

Close the thread, we’ve peaked

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Kelsey Grammer was better looking than Ted Danson on Cheers

I mean I’ve had some crushes on some oddballs in my time but this is next level.

 

[Digsby]

I mean I’ve had some crushes on some oddballs in my time but this is next level.

 

[JackOutback]

I did a rewatch of Cheers season 1 recently, I never understood the presentation of Ted Danson as some kind of heartthrob that ladies would throw themselves at. He's a bit of an odd looking man. Must be an 80s thing.

 

[Gralin]

Take a horror film, or a thriller for example, the actor should be continuously degrading throughout the film.

Why

 

[Digsby]

I did a rewatch of Cheers season 1 recently, I never understood the presentation of Ted Danson as some kind of heartthrob that ladies would throw themselves at. He's a bit of an odd looking man. Must be an 80s thing.

George Wendt and John Ratzenberger being around helped

 

[Mighty Eagles]

If you like basketball and true stories watch Air. It's based on Nike's basketball scout Sonny Voccaro recommending they sign Michael Jordan amidst their struggling basketball shoe division. It's one of my favourite movies to have come out in the past few years. Highly reccomend.

 

[JHF1870]

Why

It matches the emotional turmoil and stress. Like in Escape from NY, The Shining. Im sure it was unethical but the directors tormented Shelly Duval in The Shining

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

It matches the emotional turmoil and stress. Like in Escape from NY, The Shining. Im sure it was unethical but the directors tormented Shelly Duval in The Shining

I mean hell yeah it was unethical. She was tortured.

 

[Gralin]

It matches the emotional turmoil and stress. Like in Escape from NY, The Shining. Im sure it was unethical but the directors tormented Shelly Duval in The Shining

so your argument is actors should be degraded constantly to lend authenticity to their characters suffering?

instead of, oh I don't know

acting

who are the directors of The Shining out of interest?

 

[Pistol Night]

If you like basketball and true stories watch Air. It's based on Nike's basketball scout Sonny Voccaro recommending they sign Michael Jordan amidst their struggling basketball shoe division. It's one of my favourite movies to have come out in the past few years. Highly reccomend.

Been meaning to watch that as an MJ tragic. Gee Adidas really dropped the ball not signing him

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Been meaning to watch that as an MJ tragic. Gee Adidas really dropped the ball not signing him

Nike made him an offer the Jordans couldn't refuse. They literally threw the kitchen sink at him, on the strong recommendation of Voccaro.

 

[spinynorman]

I mean hell yeah it was unethical. She was tortured.

I dunno, I think this has become a bit apocryphal as a story, in part thanks to Dr Phil grifting. From all accounts they bickered on the set and it was a very difficult shoot, but she only ever really spoke fondly of it afterwards. Tragically, she seems to have suffered from extreme mental illness later in life, which furthered the idea that Kubrick drove her insane. I'm not sure that's really fair to either of them.

 

[Vader]

so your argument is actors should be degraded constantly to lend authenticity to their characters suffering?

instead of, oh I don't know

acting

who are the directors of The Shining out of interest?

Directors will do what they have to, in order to get the best/most realistic performance out of their actors.

For example, last night on Hard Quiz they were discussing the scene where Alan Rickman falls to his death in Die Hard. Apparently they dropped him on the count of 2, instead of 3, in order to get a more realistic look on his face.

Some of these director behaviours are acceptable - such as the Rickman example above. Some go waaay overboard, as with Shelly Duval.

 

[dumb]

Directors will do what they have to, in order to get the best/most realistic performance out of their actors.

For example, last night on Hard Quiz they were discussing the scene where Alan Rickman falls to his death in Die Hard. Apparently they dropped him on the count of 2, instead of 3, in order to get a more realistic look on his face.

Some of these director behaviours are acceptable - such as the Rickman example above. Some go waaay overboard, as with Shelly Duval.

last tango in paris

 

[phantom13]

Directors will do what they have to, in order to get the best/most realistic performance out of their actors.

For example, last night on Hard Quiz they were discussing the scene where Alan Rickman falls to his death in Die Hard. Apparently they dropped him on the count of 2, instead of 3, in order to get a more realistic look on his face.

Some of these director behaviours are acceptable - such as the Rickman example above. Some go waaay overboard, as with Shelly Duval.

I think we tend to justify the behaviour to a point if the outcome is good.

Hitchcock made incredible films and is still pretty universally lauded but his treatment of his female actors was ****ing disgusting.

There’s an “of the time” element here too but defending most of it now is a pretty awful look.

 

[JHF1870]

Directors will do what they have to, in order to get the best/most realistic performance out of their actors.

For example, last night on Hard Quiz they were discussing the scene where Alan Rickman falls to his death in Die Hard. Apparently they dropped him on the count of 2, instead of 3, in order to get a more realistic look on his face.

Some of these director behaviours are acceptable - such as the Rickman example above. Some go waaay overboard, as with Shelly Duval.

I wouldnt be surprized if a director in a movie somewhere msde a cast member break on set for a scene

 

[raskolnikov]

Kelsey Grammer was better looking than Ted Danson on Cheers

In a similar vein I don't get the Michael Douglas sex appeal. All his contemporaries who were considered to have sex appeal, like Richard Gere, Kevin Costner, Harrison Ford etc I understand the sex appeal. I just don't get it with Douglas.