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[1954]

As much as it annoys me that the AFL are apparently going to dick around with the father/son rules it still should be much easier for an established club like Port to sell the dream to the likes of Rodan and Salopek than any new franchise could ever do.

As for others on that list of U17 players who have been targeted with the Tassie offer of an extra year on their first contract some will no doubt take the bait, but if the history of the previous expansion clubs Gold Coast and GWS is any guide at all many of them will have either moved to other clubs or fallen by the wayside long before the new club has any success.

 

[SureBuddy]

As if clubs are going to freely trade away their first round picks to Port or Carlton. On the unlikely chance it does happen, they will make them pay an absolute premium, as they know we have no choice because of the stupid flipping rules.

 

[SC_Power]

As if clubs are going to freely trade away their first round picks to Port or Carlton. On the unlikely chance it does happen, they will make them pay an absolute premium, as they know we have no choice because of the stupid flipping rules.

That’s the stupidity of it all.

Actually overcorrected and getting to the level of penalising clubs in these situations rather than promoting it.

Why would any team really bother with the commitment and effort in future, paying such a premium for the privilege?

I know the answer, if depends which state you are in and what prospects there are so you can lobby the AFL to adjust the rules in your favour on the basis of “tradition” and “fairness”

 

[rogerjames]

The other aspect to this, the draft concessions Tassie are going to get at the 2027 draft will have a massive impact on being able to match a bid, both this year and next.

We have seen today the 22 players Tassie can pre-list and take out of that draft. The more of those players who accept that, the more likely an early bid on the remaining players.

Add to this Tassie will get half of the top 10 picks, yes they have to trade some those picks but can absolutely manipulate who they trade those picks to in order to prevent a club from being able to match a bit on one of it's NGA/FS players.

It is totally unreasonable to make big changes to Academy and FS bidding until after Tassie come in.

As for the '26 draft and trading out '27 picks to match a bid this year. Who's going to take a '27 pick when a handful of the best players could be pre-drafted to Tassie and after that, what was an early first will become a mid first rounder after the Tassie draft concessions.

Yep, its looking like a very challenging draft period for Port. Its so typical of the Afl to allow rorting of a system by a select few clubs for so long (suited their agenda) & then over compensate to penalise the clubs that have never benefited. We as usual are collateral damage & to some extent this is on Port for being such weak campaigners.

 

[rogerjames]

As much as it annoys me that the AFL are apparently going to dick around with the father/son rules it still should be much easier for an established club like Port to sell the dream to the likes of Rodan and Salopek than any new franchise could ever do.

As for others on that list of U17 players who have been targeted with the Tassie offer of an extra year on their first contract some will no doubt take the bait, but if the history of the previous expansion clubs Gold Coast and GWS is any guide at all many of them will have either moved to other clubs or fallen by the wayside long before the new club has any success.

These expansion clubs have always been nurseries for the top Vic clubs as players return home. The same will happen with Tas.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

The real way to bust this open is to deflate the value of those players who are connected to us.

Surely, they can play well at the start of the year and then lose form. The difference of Dougie going Number 1 overall to dropping to Pick 6 is massive for us. Ditto the other guys in the other years.

 

[Butters and Pepper]

Solution is fairly simple really - not that the AFL would ever do it - for the northern clubs who have gorged on Academy picks for over a decade - the new rules should start immediately; for the other clubs, provide a 2 year grace period.

For people saying "you can't have different rules/benefits for some clubs and not others", well this is exactly what has happened with Academies,and even back further with COLA etc.

 

[Tibbs]

Good amount of your NGA & F/S players competing in this live stream:

Watched the game. Looked out for young Rodan, Percy Burgoyne, and the Pilot....

Tevita Rodan for the Multicultural side played off half-back, and played well. He moves nicely, good tackler, and some of his passing was pin-point accurate.

Percy Burgoyne for the Indigenous side played on the wing. Nice smooth mover, and kicked the goal of the day, evading an opponent, running down the wing with multiple bounces, and nailing a 50m goal.

Zemes Pilot, also playing for the Indigenous side, started in ruck, where he was okay, competed well, but was out-rucked by his taller counterpart. But he moves so well, and then would play on, looking like one of the mid-fielders. Second half he went forward, looking dangerous up there, and taking a nice contested mark, and goal. Wherever the ball was, Pilot was there. He has genuine star quality.

The multicultural side were far better than the indigenous side, and played with more skill, better ball movement, and much better attack into their forward-50. Switch Pilot into that side, and he would have been unstoppable. Definitely a top-10 pick IMO. The other two boys at this stage, are late first, probably more like 2nd round.

Just my opinion after watching 1 game, and only preseason.

 

[melanChronic]

The rule they are proposing will be a disaster, Port will barely scrape together enough to get Cochrane in 2026 and then miss out all together in 2027.

Then the AFL will revert in 2028 citing the fact that Port was unable to access any of its talent. No point following this circus of a league.

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

It's looking like aside from Dougie Cochrane and Zackariah Young, Port won't be able to acquire many young talent in this year's draft seeing as how they have to accumulate the necessary picks to match Dougie Cochrane. Having said that, Dougie has been injury prone as of late and I wonder if that will play a factor in him potentially sliding down?

2027 draft is gonna be a bit of a challenge especially with Tassie coming in and all. Zemes Pilot, Louis Salopek, Tevita Rodan and then you potentially add in Percy Burgoyne and Mason Tambe.

It's gonna be hard but not impossible to acquire the points and picks to get all of them. We should be glad at least that there is a bit of separation between the boys at the moment because good luck trying to nab all of them. I predict that Pilot will be a top 5 pick at this stage, Salopek a 10-20 pick, Rodan a 15-25 pick, Mason Tambe a 30-50 pick and Percy Burgoyne a 50 onwards pick. Not sure about Archie Faulkner though.

 

[SC_Power]

It's looking like aside from Dougie Cochrane and Zackariah Young, Port won't be able to acquire many young talent in this year's draft seeing as how they have to accumulate the necessary picks to match Dougie Cochrane. Having said that, Dougie has been injury prone as of late and I wonder if that will play a factor in him potentially sliding down?

2027 draft is gonna be a bit of a challenge especially with Tassie coming in and all. Zemes Pilot, Louis Salopek, Tevita Rodan and then you potentially add in Percy Burgoyne and Mason Tambe.

It's gonna be hard but not impossible to acquire the points and picks to get all of them. We should be glad at least that there is a bit of separation between the boys at the moment because good luck trying to nab all of them. I predict that Pilot will be a top 5 pick at this stage, Salopek a 10-20 pick, Rodan a 15-25 pick, Mason Tambe a 30-50 pick and Percy Burgoyne a 50 onwards pick. Not sure about Archie Faulkner though.

There’s gonna be a fair bit hinging on movers out.
If Zac decides to go, hope we screw the other team out of a lot.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I feel like we'll lose Zak, a top 5 player in the league, and it'll just barely cover what we'll pay for Cochrane, an 18yo.

I also think the AFL will see that these rules are too restrictive and loosen them up after we get screwed by them.

 

[davesnothere]

It's looking like aside from Dougie Cochrane and Zackariah Young, Port won't be able to acquire many young talent in this year's draft seeing as how they have to accumulate the necessary picks to match Dougie Cochrane. Having said that, Dougie has been injury prone as of late and I wonder if that will play a factor in him potentially sliding down?

2027 draft is gonna be a bit of a challenge especially with Tassie coming in and all. Zemes Pilot, Louis Salopek, Tevita Rodan and then you potentially add in Percy Burgoyne and Mason Tambe.

It's gonna be hard but not impossible to acquire the points and picks to get all of them. We should be glad at least that there is a bit of separation between the boys at the moment because good luck trying to nab all of them. I predict that Pilot will be a top 5 pick at this stage, Salopek a 10-20 pick, Rodan a 15-25 pick, Mason Tambe a 30-50 pick and Percy Burgoyne a 50 onwards pick. Not sure about Archie Faulkner though.

Dougie Cochrane and Zackariah Young Is actually a pretty good haul this year if we add a ruck to develop. 3 picks and then sort out Sal and Tev next season after Zemes is picked up.

It will work out.

 

[TazD]

I feel like we'll lose Zak, a top 5 player in the league, and it'll just barely cover what we'll pay for Cochrane, an 18yo.

I also think the AFL will see that these rules are too restrictive and loosen them up after we get screwed by them.

Can I get this week's powerball numbers oh humble prophet?

 

[Young Gun #6]

Dougie Cochrane and Zackariah Young Is actually a pretty good haul this year if we add a ruck to develop. 3 picks and then sort out Sal and Tev next season after Zemes is picked up.

It will work out.

Not if the cost is Butters out and just those 2 in.

 

[davesnothere]

Not if the cost is Butters out and just those 2 in.

We keep Butters. Absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise in anything he has done or said. He’s just a player in his final year of contract looking at his next deal. Hes just more newsworthy than anyone else.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

The absolute delusion that Butters is anything better than a 50% chance of re-signing. He was offered the most lucrative contract in AFL history with an option for him to exercise a no exceptions 6 year extension at any time.

Any thing he says other than sign me up is simply lip service. At best he and his manager are waiting for us to do something entirely incompetent like offering $3m/year.

 

[Tibbs]

The absolute delusion that Butters is anything better than a 50% chance of re-signing. He was offered the most lucrative contract in AFL history with an option for him to exercise a no exceptions 6 year extension at any time.

Any thing he says other than sign me up is simply lip service. At best he and his manager are waiting for us to do something entirely incompetent like offering $3m/year.

Bargain! .... Do it now!

 

[davesnothere]

The absolute delusion that Butters is anything better than a 50% chance of re-signing. He was offered the most lucrative contract in AFL history with an option for him to exercise a no exceptions 6 year extension at any time.

Any thing he says other than sign me up is simply lip service. At best he and his manager are waiting for us to do something entirely incompetent like offering $3m/year.

I’m Butters manager I’m hiding every pen in the office from him until June at least.

 

[philthy05]

I have no issue with them making it more difficult to take academy players, but 2 picks is too restrictive and will lead to situations where clubs would have happily overpaid to take their kid but can't because they can't find a trade partner.

I think a lot of the problem is the dialogue around “we’ve go to make it harder to get these players”

We don’t

All that was needed was to stop the rorting. The paying of bundles of cheap later picks to acquire stars ala daicos (was bought with picks in the 40’s.

Super easy to fix. Instead we’re trying make it near impossible, which is so complicated.

I also think the AFL will see that these rules are too restrictive and loosen them up after we get screwed by them.

This is so foreseeable it’s not funny. They’re gonna realise they’ve overcorrected and then fiddle with the rules again, and we’re gonna get shafted.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

They're still fartarsing around ... maybe this means that this two picks only to match nonsense won't come in immediately.

Hopefully we are pushing back, and more importantly because y'know VFL, Carlton are.

 

[afl2004]

They're still fartarsing around ... maybe this means that this two picks only to match nonsense won't come in immediately.

Hopefully we are pushing back, and more importantly because y'know VFL, Carlton are.

Good thing we have 2 Vic power houses in our corner

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

They're still fartarsing around ... maybe this means that this two picks only to match nonsense won't come in immediately.

Hopefully we are pushing back, and more importantly because y'know VFL, Carlton are.

Farcical that the season is about to start and the AFL still hasn't officially announced the new bidding system despite the reports of clubs only able to use two picks to match a bid.

 

[shewho]

I don’t know the facts on how many top 10 picks get traded on average, but I do know:

1. Very rarely are top 5 picks traded;
2. First round picks in 2026 will be even more valuable (and, therefore,less likely to be traded) because the 2027 and 2028 drafts will be compromised by Tasmania and this is existing clubs’ last chance to draft top end talent for a while.

Therefore, changing the rules this year and requiring Port and Carlton to magically obtain multiple top 10 picks to match bids on Walker and Cochrane is grossly unfair. It’s never been required before and to require it now without enough time to prepare is just wrong.

This is not making it harder for clubs in 2026 and 2027 to recruit their own top end fathers/son or academy players, it is making it impossible.

Equalisation is not promoted by letting certain clubs benefit from concessions for decades and when others are about to get their turn, appointing one of the main beneficiary’s ex-presidents and letting him change the rules.

This is not equalisation, this is discrimination. This is not even-handedness, this is partiality and favouritism.

This is not how to run a fair competition.

 

[malcheski]

They're still fartarsing around ... maybe this means that this two picks only to match nonsense won't come in immediately.

Hopefully we are pushing back, and more importantly because y'know VFL, Carlton are.

The longer this drag out the more I can see injunctions being lodged due to the inability to forward plan if it does change for this year.

Clubs plan these things 4-5 years out, and in a pinch can pivot in 1-2 years. But there wouldn't be a list management team on Earth that can react to a change ~6 months out from the draft, especially when compromised drafts are coming.