Hypocrisy of The Left - part 2

[geelong_crazy26]

What unique aspect of Christianity makes your statement true in any way?
How is it the foundation? And in what way does it facilitate the best quality of life?

The Prohibition of lending money for interest a key concept in medieval Christianity?>

The central figure of Christianity was a man who came to serve others by taking care of their physical, psychological and spiritual needs. This is what the NT is all about service and taking care of others. Without these values we would just be like any other animal living in a environment were the strong thrive and the week perish.

Christianity via both the old and new testament has a big focus on individual freedom another key component of western civilisation.

I will sometime this week go through all the 10 commandments and show how they have shaped western civilisation for the better.

 

[DimitriBlues]

Anyone notice that when presented with an opportunity to advance the discussion, he is unable to.

He'll roll up later, post a video from voice of europe or some other nazi s**t, call someone a degenerate.

Shut this thread down. It's a write off.

Stop relating voice of Europe to nazis. You just don't like the real reporting that they do and bring to the public.

Here they are showing antisemitism within the communist left government in Germany. I know you don't like it, but stop twisting reality. Real nazis at voice of Europe aren't they?


It is also clear why you want this chat room closed down. You can't handle what is brought up in here in true communist SJW fashion.


Ps the video won't embed? Strange that?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Ps the video won't embed? Strange that?

hahaha.

SOROS.

 

[DimitriBlues]

hahaha.

SOROS.

Great response. Can't twist facts when it's displayed in front of you? Pathetic.

 

[yebiga]

Ive made it clear there is one neo nazi on this forum, and a small handful of others who flirt with it.

I didn't call you one; I said you are dumb.

And I hope you don't start calling people pedo sympathisers in the real world; it's a quick way to get your teeth knocked out.

Is this from first hand experience

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Great response. Can't twist facts when it's displayed in front of you? Pathetic.

What facts did you introduce?

Your subtle insinuation that BigFooty's embedding features had a left wing bias was fantastic though. 10/10. Soros rules.

 

[yebiga]

No.

There some on the left who think Israeli influences have disproportionate influence.

But those who believe 'jews control the media' (as you do) are firmly rooted alongside neo nazis. Or white nationalists. Or whatever the **** you think you deserve to be called.

Don't bristle when you are called a racist nazi/white nationalist when you echo all of their opinions.

Thank you for helping me fully accept that no matter what I say or do its really only hiding my racism - so now I just accept what I am.
To fully express this long semi repressed truth I now only order long and short black coffees. Ive dispensed with milk in my tea too.

Seriously though - I previously believed the reasons European countries became rich and dominant was because western culture was simply more competitive, brutal and ruthless.
But now that you have convinced me that all cultures are in fact equal, I have to accept that white people are simply more intelligent.

 

[yebiga]

Deaths from socialism

U.S.S.R.: 20 million deaths; China: 65 million deaths; Vietnam: 1 million deaths; North Korea: 2 million deaths; Cambodia: 2 million deaths: Eastern Europe: 1 million deaths; Latin America: 150,000 deaths; Africa: 1.7 million deaths; Afghanistan: 1.5 million deaths; The international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power: about 10,000 deaths… The total approaches 100 million people killed.
https://sites.fas.harvard.edu/~hpcws/asreview.htm

• 40-70 million killed. China under Chairman Mao. Single Party Socialism. 1958-61 “The Great Leap Forward”.
• 20 million killed. USSR under Joseph “socialism in one country” Stalin. 1936-52 “The Great Purge”.
• 40 million killed. USSR under all other leaders.
• 4 million killed. Cambodia under Pol Pot. Communist. 1975-79.
• 1.6 million murdered; 4 million killed in hard labor. North Korea under Kim Il Sung. Independent socialist State.
• 1.15 million killed. Yugoslavia under Josip ” socialist federation President” Tito. 1945-65.
• 1 million total killed. Ethiopia under Menghistu. Communist. 1975-1978 “The Red Terror.”
• 1 million killed. Indonesia under Suharto. Communist. 1966.
• 1 million killed from genocide; this does not include war casualties. Afghanistan under Brezhnev. Communist. 1979 – 1981.
• 800,000 killed. Rwanda under Jean Kambanda. 1994. Socialist.

https://rickkelo.liberty.me/socialism-mass-murder/

If you really want to do a body count - it’s no contest dude
Us white Europeans have no equals
No one else is in the same league - we supreme champions unchallenged.

That you even suppose otherwise is due to a mendacious education system and an ignorant pop culture.

 

[yebiga]

The central figure of Christianity was a man who came to serve others by taking care of their physical, psychological and spiritual needs. This is what the NT is all about service and taking care of others. Without these values we would just be like any other animal living in a environment were the strong thrive and the week perish.

Christianity via both the old and new testament has a big focus on individual freedom another key component of western civilisation.

I will sometime this week go through all the 10 commandments and show how they have shaped western civilisation for the better.

Dude - that’s some crazy crap
I have a healthy antipathy for these progressive nuts but I would choose their nonsense ahead of this Religious nonsense.

Firstly Christianity is entirely a derivative product which picked the bones of pagan wisdom and Jewish mysticism to create some weird grotesque popular form of stoicism.
The Christian fathers deliberately destroyed anything and everything which reveals their complete second rate plagarism.

Moreover Christianity set back the western world into the ignorance of the dark ages and religious genocide which it only slowly escaped after rediscovering our pagan pagan wisdom in the renaissance.

Modern civilization in the 19 th century - the age reason - only occurs because as Neitzsche said god is dead and we killed him.

Religion as a public expression is and always has been a force for ignorance repression and misery.

If communism is responsible for genocide then it is precisely because it made itself akin to a religion.

But we get to self assured - our unquestioning acceptance of capitalism - oftentimes has the quality of religious adoration and it too has vast skeletons.

 

[The_Snake]

She said "Allahu Akbar". The media doing all they can to have people believe Muslims terrorists are actually Christians carrying out an attack in the name of their God.

 

[pugsville]

The central figure of Christianity was a man who came to serve others by taking care of their physical, psychological and spiritual needs. This is what the NT is all about service and taking care of others. Without these values we would just be like any other animal living in a environment were the strong thrive and the week perish.

Christianity via both the old and new testament has a big focus on individual freedom another key component of western civilisation.

I will sometime this week go through all the 10 commandments and show how they have shaped western civilisation for the better.

But isnt that message the complete opposite of what you have personally advocated ? Are you not against welfare? Have you not consistently argued for the strong to be gioven more and the weak less?

In Any case I don't see the Church's propaganda message as being central to it's influence over society.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

But isnt that message the complete opposite of what you have personally advocated ? Are you not against welfare? Have you not consistently argued for the strong to be gioven more and the weak less?

In Any case I don't see the Church's propaganda message as being central to it's influence over society.

Agree. I always find such assertions strange.

Selling idealistic views is one of the easiest ways to gain power over people. People who want power seek positions where they can exert it and religion is perfect for this. There's centuries of such oppression ignored every time people make claims like Christianity made us great. It probably had an influence on it but not in a positive way. I see just as much argument that the West became strong by not being bound by religion or more strongly rebelling against it. This may partly be due to the evils perpetrated by the church causing revolution against it and division into factions, and partly due to the West's mixed origins making it harder for one religion to dominate even though each faction of Christianity kept trying to convert. I don't really see how oppressing woman, gays and people of different skin colour, or killing the intelligent people and artists who tried to make society more enlightened made the world a better place. And it's not like they've really changed that much these days. Just have to look at the struggle for women to hold any position of power in the big churches or many churches' views on gender equality and sexuality, or even contraception. Or choose not to forget the covering up sexual assaults on children by workers or the stolen generation. The same elitist attitude still prevails and maintaining power over the individual often comes far before compassion or attempts at understanding. Maybe we can credit the church with driving the West to seek world domination, create empires and be the special ones?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

But isnt that message the complete opposite of what you have personally advocated ? Are you not against welfare? Have you not consistently argued for the strong to be gioven more and the weak less?

In Any case I don't see the Church's propaganda message as being central to it's influence over society.

You are confused. I am against big government , not against making life better for the poor.

 

[madmug]

You are confused. I am against big government , not against making life better for the poor.

So you like big corporations? After all, what can control them?

 

[Mningasimisonda]

So you like big corporations? After all, what can control them?

You got it all wrong. The government is there to control people and tell them what they can and can't do. All the important stuff like who they can and can't marry and what the celebrant has to say for propaganda. Corporate entities must be free and without regulation, because.

 

[pugsville]

You are confused. I am against big government , not against making life better for the poor.

You are confused. read your posts.

All polices you advocate makes things harder for the poor. You constantly denigrate the poor and extol the rich,

 

[Mofra]

Australia has the highest immigration intake in the world per capita

Any source to back that up, or will you run away again when challenge to back up your obvious lies?

*InB4 "looney left" and an off topic rant

 

[Mofra]

You are confused. read your posts.

All polices you advocate makes things harder for the poor. You constantly denigrate the poor and extol the rich,

Don't feed the parody account.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So you like big corporations? After all, what can control them?

Not sure what you mean ?

Big corporations can do what they want within the law.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

You are confused. read your posts.

All polices you advocate makes things harder for the poor. You constantly denigrate the poor and extol the rich,

Under my policies the poor will be much better off.

Let me ask you what is better to have people just surviving on the government drip or thriving on their own 2 feet?

 

[madmug]

Not sure what you mean ?

Big corporations can do what they want within the law.

Laws set by Government I presume. Non of this self monitoring crap the banks love. Government with suitable powers. Also with international agreements, all of which take 'big Government'.

 

[madmug]

Under my policies the poor will be much better off.

Let me ask you what is better to have people just surviving on the government drip or thriving on their own 2 feet?

Have you read any posts on here? We've been banging on about opportunity & fairness. You seem to like the idea of bludging on tax concessions for business & the old mans money approach to education & wealth.

We're mostly on about maximising peoples utility, adaptability & health & eventually a better life through education & opportunity.

 

[pugsville]

Under my policies the poor will be much better off.

Let me ask you what is better to have people just surviving on the government drip or thriving on their own 2 feet?

See you characterize welfare as inherently bad. You say welfare for others is a great christian principle responsible for the Great achievements of western civilization, but you are a harsh critic of any government program in line with this principle.

Pick your principle and be a little consistent if you want people to take you seriously.

 

[ShanDog]

Dude - that’s some crazy crap
I have a healthy antipathy for these progressive nuts but I would choose their nonsense ahead of this Religious nonsense.

Firstly Christianity is entirely a derivative product which picked the bones of pagan wisdom and Jewish mysticism to create some weird grotesque popular form of stoicism.
The Christian fathers deliberately destroyed anything and everything which reveals their complete second rate plagarism.

Moreover Christianity set back the western world into the ignorance of the dark ages and religious genocide which it only slowly escaped after rediscovering our pagan pagan wisdom in the renaissance.

Modern civilization in the 19 th century - the age reason - only occurs because as Neitzsche said god is dead and we killed him.

Religion as a public expression is and always has been a force for ignorance repression and misery.

If communism is responsible for genocide then it is precisely because it made itself akin to a religion.

But we get to self assured - our unquestioning acceptance of capitalism - oftentimes has the quality of religious adoration and it too has vast skeletons.

Christianity was indeed an evolution of mystical and spiritual ideas from previous iterations - I completely agree. However, you have misinterpreted a few things there and also not touched on anything resembling the foundational ideals of the religion which actually applies to GC26's statement.

I'll go through them really quickly:

Firstly Christianity is entirely a derivative product which picked the bones of pagan wisdom and Jewish mysticism to create some weird grotesque popular form of stoicism.
The Christian fathers deliberately destroyed anything and everything which reveals their complete second rate plagarism.

Sure - but this only matters if we're discuss which is the "one true religion". It's mostly irrelevant to the hypothesis that Christian values are good and have formed the foundation of successful society.

Moreover Christianity set back the western world into the ignorance of the dark ages and religious genocide which it only slowly escaped after rediscovering our pagan pagan wisdom in the renaissance.

This is very reductionist and stretching the truth a long way. Long before the renaissance, Christian values were the foundation of several empires. The dark ages were a low point in our social development and religion was certainly used for nefarious purposes. This still occurs today on scales just as large depending on where you look around the world. It's not exactly a revelation. Regardless, those same religious values are heavily entrenched in the renaissance and subsequent period of enlightenment, except it moved from the structure of society to a form of sub-strata where it should be.

Modern civilization in the 19 th century - the age reason - only occurs because as Neitzsche said god is dead and we killed him.

Neitzsche was not proclaiming the death of God as some sort of victory. He was saying that without religion as the primary source of morality and ethics, we would have to determine our own value structure and THAT would lead to terrible places. And he was right. This Neitzsche quote has to be one of the most misrepresented quotes in history.

Religion as a public expression is and always has been a force for ignorance repression and misery.

If communism is responsible for genocide then it is precisely because it made itself akin to a religion.

Probably a lot of truth in that, particularly your second sentence. Something to think about there. Cheers.

But we get to self assured - our unquestioning acceptance of capitalism - oftentimes has the quality of religious adoration and it too has vast skeletons.

Agreed also - the people who advocate absolute capitalism are misguided IMO. There needs to be a balance between unencumbered individual freedom to gather wealth and a social redistribution aimed at ensuring the poorest are provided for. I think we - and most capitalist societies around the work - do a pretty good job of that, and all recognise the need for it to occur. There is a reason that the rise of capitalism has also seen the fastest reduction in absolute poverty the world has ever seen. We just need to ensure the cult of capitalism doesn't spiral out of control, rather than see it as inherently evil and needing to be torn down.

 

[yebiga]

Christianity was indeed an evolution of mystical and spiritual ideas from previous iterations - I completely agree. However, you have misinterpreted a few things there and also not touched on anything resembling the foundational ideals of the religion which actually applies to GC26's statement.

I'll go through them really quickly:

Sure - but this only matters if we're discuss which is the "one true religion". It's mostly irrelevant to the hypothesis that Christian values are good and have formed the foundation of successful society.


This is very reductionist and stretching the truth a long way. Long before the renaissance, Christian values were the foundation of several empires. The dark ages were a low point in our social development and religion was certainly used for nefarious purposes. This still occurs today on scales just as large depending on where you look around the world. It's not exactly a revelation. Regardless, those same religious values are heavily entrenched in the renaissance and subsequent period of enlightenment, except it moved from the structure of society to a form of sub-strata where it should be.

Neitzsche was not proclaiming the death of God as some sort of victory. He was saying that without religion as the primary source of morality and ethics, we would have to determine our own value structure and THAT would lead to terrible places. And he was right. This Neitzsche quote has to be one of the most misrepresented quotes in history.


Probably a lot of truth in that, particularly your second sentence. Something to think about there. Cheers.


Agreed also - the people who advocate absolute capitalism are misguided IMO. There needs to be a balance between unencumbered individual freedom to gather wealth and a social redistribution aimed at ensuring the poorest are provided for. I think we - and most capitalist societies around the work - do a pretty good job of that, and all recognise the need for it to occur. There is a reason that the rise of capitalism has also seen the fastest reduction in absolute poverty the world has ever seen. We just need to ensure the cult of capitalism doesn't spiral out of control, rather than see it as inherently evil and needing to be torn down.

Thanks for the considered response. Sadly, today I don’t have necessary time to reciprocate but feel compelled to respond in précis.

Christian mysticism borrows heavily from Neoplatonism for its canvas and stoicism for its practice. That’s it’s best qualities - and entirely pagan.
Christian morality however is borrowed from eastern asceticism and is entirely foreign to our pagan Greco Roman tradition.

The Old Testament books seem to serve primarily to attach this hodge potch with some obscure messianic authority and historical inevitability

In summary Christianity is in the main half classic pagan, quarter nutty renunciation self flagellation and quarter Jewish.

Of course Judaism - at least our version of it is itself influenced by Persian Egyptian mysticism.

To the degree Christianity has been a civilizing force - which is entirely suspect - it is only its stoic roots which could be said to be useful.

The balance is either banal or worse