Opinion 2019 Non Crows - Watts love got to do with it? #pick1herewecome

[jenny61_99]

Okay, so GoT is on in the US right now, so I'm in a self-imposed media blackout until i can watch it tonight...

...goodbye all

I have never watched one episode.

 

[MatthewB]

I have never watched one episode.

me either

 

[jackster83]

Looking at other clubs' staff lists and I see that Nick Poulos is now working for GWS running their fitness dept.

Will be interesting to watch their injury list as the year progresses.

 

[MarcusP2]

People only ever make a stand when it’s christians. Easy targets.

In the past few weeks we’ve had Brunei announcing it’s now law for homosexuality to be punished by death. We’ve had schools in the UK having to shut down LGBT awareness programs because of religious objection.

What have we heard here? Nothing, zip, nada. Too hard. That’s because it’s Muslims.

Some Christian sportsman goes on social media saying homosexuals are sinners - suddenly we have to hound him out of the country.

Selective outrage.

Wrong.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/d...arried-couples-in-brunei-20190404-p51aqw.html
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trav...e/news-story/9ea12041ff38ca16b4e314a13912b201
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...deal-with-brunei-airline-over-sharia-law.html
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/s...ws-risks-diplomatic-rift-20190412-p51djh.html

 

[Tex200]

Looking at other clubs' staff lists and I see that Nick Poulos is now working for GWS running their fitness dept.

Will be interesting to watch their injury list as the year progresses.

Now there’s a guy with some stories to tell

 

[rocket18]

It was a religious tweet that said :
Warning
Drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators, thieves, athiests, idolaters
Hell awaits you. Repent.

Crikeys, I can tick off 6 of those 7 and I'm not offended in anyway.

 

[FAITH]

They are doing more harm than you can possibly know.

Christianity is his faith and Christianity believes homosexuality is a sin, so why can't he voice that?

 

[Geoffa32]

Christianity is his faith and Christianity believes homosexuality is a sin, so why can't he voice that?

He is allowed to have that opinion and voice it. We all do.

Freedom of speech is the legal right to have such views. He has that freedom in Australia. However at times there is social pushback for having some views.

He needs to accept that doing so can possibly mean loss job, income and popularity for having such views. He works in an industry based on both ability and image.






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[Grooster24]

Christianity is his faith and Christianity believes homosexuality is a sin, so why can't he voice that?

I think it's strange that there would be perhaps atheist and agnostic homosexuals, or anyone else in one of the categories he mentioned, that are insulted by his post. To me if you don't believe in religion, specifically Christianity, then you should not believe in heaven and hell or Jesus for that matter. So it dhould be considered all make believe.. I know it's not as simple as that but to me it simply is. And I'm a drunk (at times) fornicating atheist...

 

[FAITH]

He is allowed to have that opinion and voice it. We all do.

Freedom of speech is the legal right to have such views. He has that freedom in Australia. However at times there is social pushback for having some views.

He needs to accept that doing so can possibly mean loss job, income and popularity for having such views. He works in an industry based on both ability and image.






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he'll get well compensated for being sacked.
nrl don't have a leg to stand on with this one..

 

[FAITH]

I think it's strange that there would be perhaps atheist and agnostic homosexuals, or anyone else in one of the categories he mentioned, that are insulted by his post. To me if you don't believe in religion, specifically Christianity, then you should not believe in heaven and hell or Jesus for that matter. So it dhould be considered all make believe.. I know it's not as simple as that but to me it simply is. And I'm a drunk (at times) fornicating atheist...

great post mate, totally agree with you.

seems like people nowadays create chaos because they're bored.

 

[Grooster24]

he'll get well compensated for being sacked.
nrl don't have a leg to stand on with this one..

General professional opinion stated in the media is that he would have a strong case for unfair dismissal etc...
Couldn't care less myself though either way...

 

[Scorpus]

Freedom of speech is the legal right to have such views. He has that freedom in Australia.

This is actually a common misconception. There is no law or constitutional statute that provides Australians with broad freedom of speech.

There is a legal precedent that establishes political freedom of speech, which prevents a political view from being punished with jail time. This is because the constitution has implied freedom of political speech.

There is no protection for general free speech in Australia whatsoever, to the point where even political speech is not protected from civil action

 

[Tex200]

Wrong.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/d...arried-couples-in-brunei-20190404-p51aqw.html
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trav...e/news-story/9ea12041ff38ca16b4e314a13912b201
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...deal-with-brunei-airline-over-sharia-law.html
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/s...ws-risks-diplomatic-rift-20190412-p51djh.html

Government lip service. No real action.

Australia’s leading virtue signallers Qantas still fly there, but then threaten to pull Rugby sponsorship. Pathetic.

 

[spexau]

He is allowed to have that opinion and voice it. We all do.

Freedom of speech is the legal right to have such views. He has that freedom in Australia. However at times there is social pushback for having some views.

He needs to accept that doing so can possibly mean loss job, income and popularity for having such views. He works in an industry based on both ability and image.






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Freedom of speech does not mean you are free of consequence.

 

[latinoheat]

Now there’s a guy with some stories to tell

Do tell

 

[Vhaluus]

This is actually a common misconception. There is no law or constitutional statute that provides Australians with broad freedom of speech.

There is a legal precedent that establishes political freedom of speech, which prevents a political view from being punished with jail time. This is because the constitution has implied freedom of political speech.

There is no protection for general free speech in Australia whatsoever, to the point where even political speech is not protected from civil action

Exactly.

In fact we have hate speech laws that make saying certain things very much illegal.

 

[Tex200]

Do tell

All we had was an indication that was the case. Tried to get an interview but no go.

So at this stage just speculation.

That about right feenix67 ?

 

[feenix67]

All we had was an indication that was the case. Tried to get an interview but no go.

So at this stage just speculation.

That about right feenix67 ?

Pretty much, we made contact, got a bit of stuff off the record, he was busy with Rugby Sevens, couldn't get a formal interview

 

[Geoffa32]

Exactly.

In fact we have hate speech laws that make saying certain things very much illegal.

Civil law.

IIRC there is no criminal statute in relation to Hate Speech. I could be wrong though.

Meaning you can make discriminatory comments, as Foloau has, and suffer no criminal consequense.

However you can be sued if such comments are directly aimed at an individual and discriminate that individual.

The State can't criminally penalise anyone for comments such as Folau's.


Which is why I said (in a roundabout way) we have freedom of speech but there are consequences in regards to comments that go against the social norm.

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[Geoffa32]

This is actually a common misconception. There is no law or constitutional statute that provides Australians with broad freedom of speech.

There is a legal precedent that establishes political freedom of speech, which prevents a political view from being punished with jail time. This is because the constitution has implied freedom of political speech.

There is no protection for general free speech in Australia whatsoever, to the point where even political speech is not protected from civil action

Yes. A civil penalty can be applied.

But not a criminal act.


Unless an individual can prove they were directly discriminated against by Folau's comments, he has broken no law.

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[SaltPeter]

Civil law.

IIRC there is no criminal statute in relation to Hate Speech. I could be wrong though.

Meaning you can make discriminatory comments, as Foloau has, and suffer no criminal consequense.

However you can be sued if such comments are directly aimed at an individual and discriminate that individual.

The State can't criminally penalise anyone for comments such as Folau's.


Which is why I said (in a roundabout way) we have freedom of speech but there are consequences in regards to comments that go against the social norm.

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The consequence is that a large section of the community now know of extreme views and have formed opinions of him as a person. His career is currently in limbo as he prepares to publicly fight RA over his contract. NRL have stated he will not be welcomed back, as have some of the Rugby Unions in Europe. And all of this is playing out in a very public arena

 

[Geoffa32]

The flipside is that if Folau went to Brunei and professed the benefits of being homosexual he is at risk of a criminal sanction, and prosecuted by the State.


In whatever Kangaroo Court they have.

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[Geoffa32]

The consequence is that a large section of the community now know of extreme views and have formed opinions of him as a person. His career is currently in limbo as he prepares to publicly fight RA over his contract. NRL have stated he will not be welcomed back, as have some of the Rugby Unions in Europe. And all of this is playing out in a very public arena

Agreed.

But he ain't in Jail.

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[Scorpus]

Yes. A civil penalty can be applied.

But not a criminal act.


Unless an individual can prove they were directly discriminated against by Folau's comments, he has broken no law.

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There are actually some states where you can go to jail if the speech is classed as "hate speech", although discriminating against sexual orientation is less commonly classed as hate speech, again depending on the state