That's terrific.
My post was a response to a misguided read on our situation, not questioning Geelong's list.
I think Geelong are doing exceptionally well, I just don't buy into the misguided views of our situation that don't go a little deeper.
Analysis The Rebuilds of Geelong and Richmond and their Future Prospects
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My post was a response to a misguided read on our situation, not questioning Geelong's list.
I think Geelong are doing exceptionally well, I just don't buy into the misguided views of our situation that don't go a little deeper.
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Crazy to think the Jack Bowes trade was worth it for Geelong even without the pick 7 sweetener thrown on top. Perfect age bracket for us too.
See what you think when the whips are cracking...
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You've got the rebuilding Cats making finals?
Given Geelong have not made finals for one season and they routinely cheat everything from salary cap to home venue and just about everything in between, they are overdue to get beaten in finals.
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If you can look at the performances of Dow and Ralphsmith yesterday or the way Young and Miller were taken to the cleaners by one of the worst teams the AFL has ever seen and think "at least we're playing the kids cause these guys are our future" best of luck to you. You're certainly not missing the optimism gene.
Lol Ralphsmith is the 36th Richmond player selected this year and will almost certainly be delisted this year. He played because he had to play. Dow is not one of our better youngsters it is a similar story, they are playing him to give him every chance.
And Miller and Young weren't taken to the cleaners, only Young was. He is currently way below the best we saw from him last year and there could be any number of reasons for that. In one post you are saying these guys are too old to count as part of the rebuild, and in the next post you are claiming them as evidence our rebuild is failing. It is fair to say you are a bit clueless.
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Injuries have stopped us this year.
Also Cats have the biggest home ground advantage in the league and a very favourable fixture so far.
Richmond moved from pillar to post by the CFL.
Also Cats have the biggest home ground advantage in the league and a very favourable fixture so far.
Richmond moved from pillar to post by the CFL.
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The CFL have only fixtured the rebuilding Cats twice at Kardinia Park so far this year and one of those was against North who we'd beat on the moon. Of the undefeated rebuilding Geelong Cats's five wins two of those have been at Adelaide Oval and one at the MCG. The CFL have also ensured that the undefeated rebuilding Geelong Cats have yet to win a single free-kick count all year, alas the undefeated rebuilding Geelong Cats have so far defied all the odds to sit equal 1st on the ladder.
If you make those general write off statements based on one game, good luck to you
Miller and Young have earnt praise so far this year but had stinkers.
Dow and Ralphsmith are probably delistable at year's end.
None of those views we make after one good or bad game though...
Yeah, pretty big advantage to be the only team in the AFL to play home finals away and not get 11 home games. Pretty big advantage. Also such a disadvantage for those poor sides to drive 70km and play footy on mars as I’ve heard it described.
Honest question; does Richmond have the worst youth in the AFL?? I cant think of a side who has worse right now.
They are going to turn into the next north Melbourne with a long streak of horrible outcomes.
They are going to turn into the next north Melbourne with a long streak of horrible outcomes.
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Collingwood minus Daicos would go close, but he's a superstar and boosts their stocks by a long way.
Who are Richmond’s quality youth?? It’s hard to think of anyone.
Collingwood historically rebuild very quickly tho. Richmond don’t
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The best thing about the CFL argument is that they seriously think the AFL doesn't want Richmond to be successful.
They're a cash cow for the AFL, as are Collingwood, Carlton, & Essendon. If the league had a choice they'd want those 4 competing for premierships every year.
The AFL does f**k over certain clubs, the interstate sides travelling every second week would be an example. Richmond isn't one of them.
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Can someone tell me what a cfl is and why it hated Richmond specifically?
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Corrupt Football League.
You know all the 'Steve Hocking destroys Richmond from inside AFL house' theories? Well multiply those by 100x. There's a supposed league wide effort of destroying Richmond at every possible turn, and the blame for why their team failed to reach the heights of the other dynasty sides of the 21st century is solely down to those who skulk within the shadows sabotaging them, and now that they've hit absolute zero, these fiends - as relentless as they are - refuse to let up and are ensuring that they stay anchored to the bottom now and into the foreseeable future.
You know, the usual stuff.
I don't get the comparison. Geelong rebuilt on the run and remain competitive.
Richmond tried to rebuild on the run and missed the mark and are likely to cut the list deeper. Richmond have not drafted well in the last few years imo but might be to early to tell.
Richmond should probably be compared to Hawthorn at this stage of their build rather than Geelong
Richmond tried to rebuild on the run and missed the mark and are likely to cut the list deeper. Richmond have not drafted well in the last few years imo but might be to early to tell.
Richmond should probably be compared to Hawthorn at this stage of their build rather than Geelong
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Are you still here?
Not hard if you know them.
Gibcus 21yo is clearly a quality player, obviously had vile run with injuries.
Campbell is acquitting himself exceptionally well for a guy who has just turned 19 in just about the most disjointed forward line in history.
Rioli Jnr is playing very good footy, he is 21.
Brown has had a couple of excellent showings amongst his 5 games he is 20yo.
And there are a load of 23-24-25yo's going well this year, Mansell, Miller, Balta, Bolton.
And another bunch of 20-21-22yo's struggling in the AFL team for now, as you might expect in a team that has only had 9 players play all 6 games.
The only reason you think they are all no good is because you want to think they are all no good.
Inexperience isn't necessarily the same as playing under 23s though.
Young and Miller are giving you what they always will. They're okay. Miller might become important if Gibcus can't get his body right.
Dow and Ralphsmith have had a solid amount of games to prove themselves and turn 23 this year. They aren't KPP's so you'd want to have seen more by now.
So the scope for improvement from younger players in the current side could come from:
Tom Brown (5)
Seth Campbell (6)
Ryan Mansell (37)
Maurice Rioli (32)
Mykelti Lefau (4)
Kane McAullife (2)
Tyler Sonsie (13)
There have been some good signs from a few of them. They all need to be played and when possible, a couple more squeezed in.
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Ralphsmith and Dow are not likely to make the grade. They are playing because the club has to play them. There are loads more young players than your list who have scope for improvement.
Trezise has only been on the list 9 months and has looked decent in both games he played and is 21yo.
Banks 21yo still has every chance of developing into a really good winger.
Steely Green has not debuted yet, not going to be a world beater but would count him out from being half decent, he is 19-20yo.
Bauer has been injured all year but was coming along nicely, he is 21yo.
Jud Clarke has had injury concerns this year then did his ACL Saturday but he is only 20 and has loads of upside.
Coulthard is 22 and has been on the list 9months had injury setbacks in pre-season but has also shown a bit in the few AFL games he played.
Kaleb Smith is being managed due to missing all last year with foot issues and is unlikely to be seen any time soon at AFL level, but he is playing rally well in the VFL. I have been watching him and he looks a really decent chance to make it imo. He is just 19 years old.
Between the 7 young guys you listed and the 6 I listed here, all 22 or younger and not including Dow, there is every chance 5-6 of them at least turn into long term players. And then Gibcus has only just turned 21yo.
At any given time clubs on average will be hoping to find 2 AFL level players in every age group 19yo+. So about 6 of these guys making the grade would be a perfectly good result from our youth.
