Autopsy AFL 2025 First Preliminary Final - Pies v Lions Sat Sept 20th 5:15pm EST (MCG)

[westie]

Why are David King, Jack Riewoldt and Jon Ralph doubling down on the "Starcevich v Elliot" absence of free? Starcevich had eyes on the ball and flushed the ball out of Elliot's hands without obstructing Elliot's face, chopping his arms, or hitting him unduly in the front of body/face.

Not only was it not a free kick, it was an exemplary spoil running with the flight of the ball.

And those three stooges should not be within 5 metres of a microphone!

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

How did "finals degoey" go last night?

Pistol Night is about as quiet as Mihocek was last night

 

[Carringbush2010]

Stop talking rubbish, lions are level above too good for pies with so many injuries, pies are an old team now
Need ro rebuild not top up with old hack players.

Yet when your mob won it in 22, also too old and slow.

Narrative changed immediately after the game, to too experienced and too good.

We do it and fall in a heap. Typical of being a Pies fan.

 

[Daniel_Rich]

Is this the greatest spoil of all time? Gotta be up there. Gonna be so sad when Starc leaves, what an absolute jet!

 

[Brett C]

Nepo babies being force fed top 5 picks most years.

How much draft assistance have AFL policies allowed them to receive in the past 5 seasons playing finals and grand finals?

As opposed to teams struggling to rebuild?

So much for AFL equalisatiin policies being effective.

But hey, AFL gets what it wants. An expansion state team playing in the grand final again. Gotta get those TV ratings up no matter what.

Haha salty much buddy. Richest club in the country and can’t keep players so I get the embarrassment you must have.

How much assistance did the lions get when we were in your position 10 years ago??

Next to nothing is the answer yet you guys are on your knees at AFL house

 

[Brett C]

I stand by this. Horribly umpired game. Biggest moment in the game was a bad non-call.

Were you upset when Cox was given the marginal goal?

Dozens of calls during a game that could go either way but hang your hat on a great call from the ump

Just because you don’t understand the rules doesn’t make it a free

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

The Magpies board called for carnage during the Cats v Hawks game and the karma bus duly delivered the requested service early in thier final against the Lions.

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

lol flog Maynard at it again

That should be 50

zero trick pony

 

[Osho]

Is this the greatest spoil of all time? Gotta be up there. Gonna be so sad when Starc leaves, what an absolute jet!

Very good of you to redirect the narrative on this.

The tossers on Footy on Nine could only say those frees were paid all year. However, I could only see a defender with eyes on ball, hand on ball, and having no or minimal body contact, and none that stopped the mark.

The algorithm feasts on the mere suggestion of controversy.

 

[Brett C]

Very good of you to redirect the narrative on this.

The tossers on Footy on Nine could only say those frees were paid all year. However, I could only see a defender with eyes on ball, hand on ball, and having no or minimal body contact, and none that stopped the mark.

The algorithm feasts on the mere suggestion of controversy.

The funny thing is that front on contact isn’t prohibited when your objective is to spoilt the ball.

As you point out the rule specifically allows incidental contact when the sole objective to spoil or mark the ball.

2 of the greatest marks of all time by Nick Riewoldt and Jonathan Brown coming back with the flight of the ball would apparently by a free kick based on some posters here.

 

[Kram]

D) didn’t actually make front on contact , Elliot fell backwards

It was a superb bit of defence

Glad the umpire had the balls to call it , particularly in that moment

Umpire makes a bold but correct decision in one of the biggest games of the season at a crucial moment.

Still gets a heap of criticism.

 

[kickazz]

Umpire makes a bold but correct decision in one of the biggest games of the season at a crucial moment.

Still gets a heap of criticism.

Look the thing is, like it or not, the way finals get umpired is like this:

Strict at the start to establish control.

By the end, provided players are playing hard in the spirit of the game, they won't pay the more technical frees.

I said at the time that the pass was way too high. A better pass takes the umpire out of the equation.

It could have been paid, sure. But it wasn't. And not paying it was not a particularly bad call.

 

[JD888]

I dont think it was free. You can still contest with your eyes on the ball.

Pies won a Grand Final against the Lions off a free kick not being paid so as they said at time, its just one of hundreds of moments in the game.

Even if that free was paid and the goal kicked, Lions are still winning the game. Pies supporters need to let it go.

 

[Soggy2112]

Look the thing is, like it or not, the way finals get umpired is like this:

Strict at the start to establish control.

By the end, provided players are playing hard in the spirit of the game, they won't pay the more technical frees.

I said at the time that the pass was way too high. A better pass takes the umpire out of the equation.

It could have been paid, sure. But it wasn't. And not paying it was not a particularly bad call.

It’s not even a controversial call though.

The rule clearly says that incidental front on contact is allowed if a player’s intent is for the ball. Starcevich had his eyes on the ball the whole way, and his fist made contact with the ball.

If that isn’t legal then no mark or spoil made running back with the flight has ever been legal.

 

[Soggy2112]

Even if that free was paid and the goal kicked, Lions are still winning the game. Pies supporters need to let it go.

Yep. The Lions game is based on controlling the footy. Collingwood lost contested possession, and allowed Brisbane to take 113 marks and have 243 uncontested possessions. That’s the game right there, trying to point to a single non call, which was objectively correct, as the reason they lost is just sour grapes.

 

[RCAB]

It’s not even a controversial call though.

The rule clearly says that incidental front on contact is allowed if a player’s intent is for the ball. Starcevich had his eyes on the ball the whole way, and his fist made contact with the ball.

If that isn’t legal then no mark or spoil made running back with the flight has ever been legal.

Incidental is a slight graze.

Chopping someone's arm out is not incidental.... IN FACT... It's a free kick from behind too.

 

[Soggy2112]

Incidental is a slight graze.

Chopping someone's arm out is not incidental.... IN FACT... It's a free kick from behind too.

Show me where he chops his arm.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Incidental is a slight graze.

Chopping someone's arm out is not incidental.... IN FACT... It's a free kick from behind too.

incidental /ˌɪn(t)sɪˈdɛntl/
adj.

happening as a result of (an activity)

... in this case the "incident" is Starcevich attempting to spoil.

 

[RCAB]

incidental /ˌɪn(t)sɪˈdɛntl/
adj.

happening as a result of (an activity)

... in this case the "incident" is Starcevich attempting to spoil.

No.

 

[Toump Ass]

The actual worst bit of umpiring was Saint Nicky Daicos politely asking for a SECOND soft-as-shit 50 metre penalty and the umpire going: "Oh alright Nicky, because you asked so nicely, here you go, have another one!"

Pathetic.

 

[Soggy2112]

incidental /ˌɪn(t)sɪˈdɛntl/
adj.

happening as a result of (an activity)

... in this case the "incident" is Starcevich attempting to spoil.

No.

He’s correct. In our game, incidental contact means contact that is made during a genuine attempt at the ball. No where in the rules does your caveat of “a graze” exist.



As you can see, Starcevich clearly has eyes for the ball, and his hand makes contact with the ball at the same time as Elliot’s. The contact is incidental. An arm chop is when you prevent a mark by hitting the arms instead of the ball. It is not if you happen to make contact with the arms AS you hit the ball.

 

[SSwans2011]

Incidental is a slight graze.

Chopping someone's arm out is not incidental.... IN FACT... It's a free kick from behind too.

That's actually not what incidental means at all. It has nothing to do with the force of the contact. It is whether the contact happens as a consequence of your sole focus being to get to the football.

Given the footage shows that Starcevich never took his eyes off the football, that was demonstrably the case here.

 

[SSwans2011]

No.

Pack it in folks, RCAB has mounted a pretty irrefutable case right here.

Granted, it's pretty easy to win an argument if you just start baselessly rejecting the (correct) definitions of words.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Pack it in folks, RCAB has mounted a pretty irrefutable case right here.

Granted, it's pretty easy to win an argument if you just start baselessly rejecting the (correct) definitions of words.

I concede to the flawless Trumpian logic.

 

[SSwans2011]

The actual worst bit of umpiring was Saint Nicky Daicos politely asking for a SECOND soft-as-shit 50 metre penalty and the umpire going: "Oh alright Nicky, because you asked so nicely, here you go, have another one!"

Pathetic.

Yeah the first 50 was 100% there, but the second wasn't.

Happens dozens of times a game. If your opposing player goes into the protected area, you're allowed to follow him. So how can it be 50 against Ashcroft for being in the protected area when there's 3 Pies there? Terrible call.