Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[bzparkes]

Are you insinuating that Christianity was never spread by the sword?

No, I'm asking if you knew why the 1st Crusade happened when you brought them up?

 

[RUNVS]

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Yes, and they get these illegal weapons by stealing them from people who have them legally, but if we made it so these weapons are illegal to everyone then there is nothing for the criminals to steal.

 

[Jupes]

why the **** are they here

 

[carlton_99]

Legend. Hopefully he has a quick recovery.

Should be Australian of the Year. Insane courage

 

[WeightOfTheWorld]

Wow. Those non-expansionist Europeans just sitting on their continent going nowhere and doing nothing ever.

What is your background and/or education in history? I mean, i am happy to discuss but not if one is ignorant of basic, elementarty historical events.

Europeans became aggressive colonizers much later, flipping the script after defending (via Crusades) against earlier conquests. Both sides have histories of expansion—just on wildly different timelines and scales.

 

[The Sultan]

Can we park all the religious finger pointing rhetoric … there are places for it. Can we try stay on topic and talk about the incident

 

[CM86]

This is a historical and tragic moment in Australian history.

It's shocking to see how many people and posters are excited about this.
Celebrating.

I can't understand it. And I don't want to.

 

[The Sultan]

Has to go pick me daughter up so have missed chunks of coverage…

Guy that had the guns taken from him, was he shot by police not long after this happened ?

The two gunman on bridge what happens to them, where they the ones arrested and then dude kicks one of them

 

[Mitcham VIC 3132]

This is a historical and tragic moment in Australian history.

It's shocking to see how many people and posters are excited about this.
Celebrating.

I can't understand it. And I don't want to.

Me either

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Yes, and they get these illegal weapons by stealing them from people who have them legally, but if we made it so these weapons are illegal to everyone then there is nothing for the criminals to steal.

Now it’s been declared a terrorist attack you would hope the police actually go after every single person they know who deals guns with their extra powers and hopefully they can actually get some proper sentences for once.

 

[bzparkes]

Didn't the Pope promise some spiritual rewards?

Well of course.

Saracens were pushing into Europe from the east and the Norse were pushing down south. Spain was a broken down Caliphate by then, having collapsed into smaller Muslim states.

The first Crusade was a response by the Holy Roman Empire to the Byzantine empire's request for help against the Seljuk Turks, who were threatening Constantinople(the home of the Orthodox Christian pope). Obviously the pope promised spiritual rewards, as was the fashion at the time, but he framed the Crusade as a war to recapture the holy land from Islamic rule.

Bearing in mind, Muslims were pushing into Europe from the east and the European nations were fighting amongst each other continuously at this time. It was probably the first time they united against a common foe and the army was structured in a way that everyone was equal. Nobles held no automatic rank and all crusaders gained rank through merit.

Quite an interesting piece of history. Of course, subsequent crusades weren't so 'noble' and numerous atrocities committed but every side was doing that at the time and there was no side more 'righteous' than another, which is why I find it odd that people will always point to the crusades as some historical anomaly of horror when far worse happened that most people wouldn't even know about.

Just look up Chinese history during the warring kingdoms and unification for example. The stuff that went on there makes European and middle eastern conflicts look like a bar brawl at a local pub.

 

[WeightOfTheWorld]

Well of course.

Saracens were pushing into Europe from the Norse were pushing down south and Spain was a Caliphate by then, although it had already collapsed into smaller Muslim states.

The first Crusade was a response by the Holy Roman Empire to the Byzantine empire's request for help against the Seljuk Turks, who were threatening Constantinople(the home of the Orthodox Christian pope). Obviously the pope promised spiritual rewards, as was the fashion at the time, but he framed the Crusade as a war to recapture the holy land from Islamic rule.

Bearing in mind, Muslims were pushing into Europe from the east and the European nations were fighting amongst each other continuously at this time. It was probably the first time they united against a common foe and the army was structured in a way that everyone was equal. Nobles held no automatic rank and all crusaders gained rank through merit.

Quite an interesting piece of history. Of course, subsequent crusades weren't so 'noble' and numerous atrocities committed but every side was doing that at the time and there was no side more 'righteous' than another, which is why I find it odd that people will always point to the crusades as some historical anomaly of horror when far worse happened that most people wouldn't even know about.

Just look up Chinese history during the warring kingdoms and unification for example. The stuff that went on there makes European and middle eastern conflicts look like a bar brawl at a local pub.

Fair points.

 

[Present Not Past]

Yes, and they get these illegal weapons by stealing them from people who have them legally, but if we made it so these weapons are illegal to everyone then there is nothing for the criminals to steal.

Police have been confiscating firearms and ammunition from drug gangs in Sydney for years.
They must get them from somewhere?

 

[Visions]

Has to go pick me daughter up so have missed chunks of coverage…

Guy that had the guns taken from him, was he shot by police not long after this happened ?

The two gunman on bridge what happens to them, where they the ones arrested and then dude kicks one of them

Guy had gun taken from him, falls back to the bridge to be with his buddy Naveed, grabs another gun and both go until they are taken down. Shirtless guy stomps on the guy who had the gun take from him.

From the footage, it seem that Naveed was motionless (dead), and guy who had gun taken from him was still moving (so assuming he is the one in critical condition in hospital.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Who cares about what happened 100’s of years ago…how about we focus on what we can control?
What’s going on today!
It is abundantly clear that certain cultures/religions/society’s are NOT compatible and never will be.
Everyone can sing Kumbaya as much as they want, but it will never work.

 

[spinynorman]

My partner and I had just arrived at a Surry Hills pub for drinks with friends when I got a message about it. Walking down Oxford Street I had noted the strangely high number of emergency vehicles speeding away, but little could I imagine.

A close friend of my partner lives in Bondi and so he messaged her; she'd been on the beach and heard the gunshots and sprinted home.

It's unfathomably awful what's happened here. Unfortunately some of the most hateful people in society are jumping in excitement that this justifies their bigotry, but I hope they continue to be rejected by the vast majority of people.

 

[The Sultan]

Guy had gun taken from him, falls back to the bridge to be with his buddy Naveed, grabs another gun and both go until they are taken down. Shirtless guy stomps on the guy who had the gun take from him.

From the footage, it seem that Naveed was motionless (dead), and guy who had gun taken from him was still moving (so assuming he is the one in critical condition in hospital.

Correct me if I’m wrong but gun taken guy had black short and white pants, there were two gunmen on bridge in all black

 

[carlton_99]

Who cares about what happened 100’s of years ago…how about we focus on what we can control?
What’s going on today!
It is abundantly clear that certain cultures/religions/society’s are NOT compatible and never will be.
Everyone can sing Kumbaya as much as they want, but it will never work.

And yet the vast vast vast majority of people from every religion are able to coexist peacefully in this country. As is the case with non-religious people. Important not to generalise the actions of a few radicals to all members of any religious group.

 

[GreyWind]

Should be Australian of the Year. Insane courage

I don't think he would technically qualify for Australian of the Year, I do imagine he'll get numerous awards and would in my opinion qualify for the Cross of Valour.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Yes, and they get these illegal weapons by stealing them from people who have them legally, but if we made it so these weapons are illegal to everyone then there is nothing for the criminals to steal.

Lol. Some of the strictest gun laws in the world but still not good enough. Maybe time to look at the real issue ....

 

[Brick Loosener]

Did you actually read what you quoted?

"So I hope in vain for a decapitation airstrike one day that liquidates Netanyahu's entire military and civilian leadership."

Israel's civilian leadership is Netanyahu and his government ministers. The military leadership is self-explanatory.

Again, this is not and never was me saying all Jews should be slaughtered. That has never been my line.

Do you fantasise about these events happening to other ethnic or religious groups or is it just solely confined to Jews?

 

[bzparkes]

Who cares about what happened 100’s of years ago…how about we focus on what we can control?
What’s going on today!
It is abundantly clear that certain cultures/religions/society’s are NOT compatible and never will be.
Everyone can sing Kumbaya as much as they want, but it will never work.

Well, what happened 100s of years ago caused today's incident. That's why there's interest in it.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Tonight is not about politics, tonight is not about race, tonight is not about religion. Tonight is about mourning those who have died and trying to throw our arms around the families whose loved ones won’t be coming home.

 

[bzparkes]

Lol. Some of the strictest gun laws in the world but still not good enough. Maybe time to look at the real issue ....

Like in the UK, where they banned Ninja swords but should've banned the Ninjas instead?

 

[JP2]

It's unfortunate that we have to think in these terms, but Channel 7 is reporting that the guy who intervened to wrestle one of the gunman has been identified as Ahmed Al Ahmed, which should hopefully help with dampening the 'All Muslims are Terrorists' / 'Deport all Immigrants' narrative that the political right are undoubtedly giddy to start promoting as soon as possible.

A relative of the hero who risked his life to grab the weapon off one of the gunman has spoken, revealing he was shot twice.

Speaking outside hospital to 7NEWS, Mustafa revealed it was his cousin, 43-year-old Ahmed al Ahmed, who likely saved countless lives when he wrestled with the gunman.

Ahmed was shot twice in the commotion and was due to undergo surgery tonight.

Mustafa said his cousin, a dad-of-two who owns a fruit shop in Sutherland, did not have any experience with guns but was simply walking past when he decided to step in.

“He’s in hospital and we don’t know exactly what’s going on inside,” Mustafa said.

“We do hope he will be fine. He’s a hero 100 per cent.”

Premier confirms 12 people killed in horrific mass shooting at Bondi Beach

Footage captured two men armed with shotguns opening fire from the bridge.

7news.com.au