Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[carlton_99]

Lol. Some of the strictest gun laws in the world but still not good enough. Maybe time to look at the real issue ....

Nothing will ever be "good enough" to eradicate incidents like this all together. It's all about limiting them as much as we possibly can.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

And yet the vast vast vast majority of people from every religion are able to coexist peacefully in this country. As is the case with non-religious people. Important not to generalise the actions of a few radicals to all members of any religious group.

I did say “certain “ not all, and these few radicals seem to all belong to a particular group.
It’s time we all took our heads out of the sand.

I’m awaiting the condemnation from that “certain “ community of these attacks.
To use an AFL term, this could be a line in the sand moment in Aus.

 

[aCunningPlan]

Pauline Hanson will play this better than the ALP, LNP, and Greens.

Maybe, hope Pauline sees this as a chance to focus on peace and compassion, knowing that despicable acts like this are not limited to one nationality or religion. The 51 victims and their families in Christchurch have an Australian to blame. 11 Jewish Australians appear to have alleged Islamic terrorists to blame tonight.

These disgusting attacks on innocent lives should never happen. Hate does not overcome hate.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Nothing will ever be "good enough" to eradicate incidents like this all together. It's all about limiting them as much as we possibly can.

Agree, need an end to foreign conflict and foreign extremism on our shores.

 

[Visions]

Correct me if I’m wrong but gun taken guy had black short and white pants, there were two gunmen on bridge in all black

I haven't seen any footage showing all black gunman on the bridge. The drone footage when Naveed seems to get hit shows the white pants guy already down, and then the stomp footage when they are being swarmed on the bridge shows the same.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I did say “certain “ not all, and these few radicals seem to all belong to a particular group.
It’s time we all took our heads out of the sand.

I’m awaiting the condemnation from that “certain “ community of these attacks.
To use an AFL term, this could be a line in the sand moment in Aus.

You can see them clammering in this thread to set the narrative. Head so far in the sand its come out the other side.

 

[JP2]

I’m awaiting the condemnation from that “certain “ community of these attacks.

They did, almost immediately:

In a statement, the Australian National Imams Council (ANIC), the Council of Imams NSW and the Australian Muslim community said they “unequivocally condemn the horrific shootings in Bondi”.

“These acts of violence and crimes have no place in our society. Those responsible must be held fully accountable and face the full force of the law.

“Our hearts, thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and all those who witnessed or were affected by this deeply traumatic attack.

“This is a moment for all Australians, including the Australian Muslim community, to stand together in unity, compassion, and solidarity, rejecting violence in all its forms and affirming our shared commitment to social harmony and the safety of all Australians.”

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I haven't seen any footage showing all black gunman on the bridge. The drone footage when Naveed seems to get hit shows the white pants guy already down, and then the stomp footage when they are being swarmed on the bridge shows the same.

There’s another thread, the video is on it.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

It's unfortunate that we have to think in these terms, but Channel 7 is reporting that the guy who intervened to wrestle one of the gunman has been identified as Ahmed Al Ahmed, which should hopefully help with dampening the 'All Muslims are Terrorists' / 'Deport all Immigrants' narrative that the political right are undoubtedly giddy to start promoting as soon as possible.

Premier confirms 12 people killed in horrific mass shooting at Bondi Beach

Footage captured two men armed with shotguns opening fire from the bridge.

7news.com.au

He may not be Muslim?
He could be a Coptic Christian or another minority religion.

 

[carlton_99]

I did say “certain “ not all, and these few radicals seem to all belong to a particular group.
It’s time we all took our heads out of the sand.

I’m awaiting the condemnation from that “certain “ community of these attacks.
To use an AFL term, this could be a line in the sand moment in Aus.

And I said the vast majority of people in ALL religions manage to coexist peacefully

 

[bzparkes]

He may not be Muslim?
He could be a Coptic Christian or another minority religion.

Possible but unlikely. Ahmed is a name of the prophet(as is his cousin's name Mustafa) but he could indeed be a Christian as they also use the name.

 

[carlton_99]

Agree, need an end to foreign conflict and foreign extremism on our shores.

Was talking about the gun control laws

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Do you fantasise about these events happening to other ethnic or religious groups or is it just solely confined to Jews?

Any government enforcing ethno-religious exclusions deserve it. Islamic theocracies similarly need erasure. We should be beyond this though! As a species with the intellectual capacity we have racism and bigotry as concepts let alone actual practice just should not exist.

You and I have very different beliefs. 'So what?' I say. We can co-exist. We may not ever grab a beer together but why would either of us need to die for our separate beliefs or our shade of skin?

Why does anyone?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

And I said the vast majority of people in ALL religions manage to coexist peacefully

That’s true. Unfortunately an extreme version of one religion is committed to the extermination of another one. To start with.

 

[damicky]

That’s true. Unfortunately an extreme version of one religion is committed to the extermination of another one. To start with.

Which one are you referring to?

 

[RUNVS]

Lol. Some of the strictest gun laws in the world but still not good enough. Maybe time to look at the real issue ....

Except we don't, no where near some of the strictest in the world.

 

[Elixuh]

Maybe, hope Pauline sees this as a chance to focus on peace and compassion, knowing that despicable acts like this are not limited to one nationality or religion. The 51 victims and their families in Christchurch have an Australian to blame. 11 Jewish Australians appear to have alleged Islamic terrorists to blame tonight.

These disgusting attacks on innocent lives should never happen. Hate does not overcome hate.

In all sincerity, unfortunately this tragic event is Christmas come early for Pauline. She will try to weaponise this for all it’s worth to boost ONP. And as sad as it is, it’ll be effective.

She has already opened with a statement wanting to know where the two attackers came from.

 

[2 eazy]

The hero who took gun off the shooter is actually a muslim who owns a fruit shop and no prior experience in combat. Ahmed el Ahmed his name

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Which one are you referring to?

I would say Islamism.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Lol. Some of the strictest gun laws in the world but still not good enough. Maybe time to look at the real issue ....

Black market guns, usually with no serial numbers, can come in on any ship.

Police stop alleged black market plot to import 'deadly' gun parts

It is alleged the man sent the individual firearm parts to various addresses in Australia.

www.abc.net.au

and

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/more-than-100-illegally-imported-guns-still-missing-in-australia-as-fears-grow-they-are-in-hands-of-underworld-figures/news-story/f1085f6f3b0d51452adc870258fadfef

EDIT: Also there's this;

https://www.acic.gov.au/publications/unclassified-intelligence-reports/illicit-firearms-australia-report

 

[Brick Loosener]

Which one are you referring to?

Veganism.

 

[damicky]

Veganism.

That is a cult

 

[bzparkes]

Any government enforcing ethno-religious exclusions deserve it. Islamic theocracies similarly need erasure. We should be beyond this though! As a species with the intellectual capacity we have racism and bigotry as concepts let alone actual practice just should not exist.

You and I have very different beliefs. 'So what?' I say. We can co-exist. We may not ever grab a beer together but why would either of us need to die for our separate beliefs or our shade of skin?

Why does anyone?

Culturally and ethnically homogenous groups/countries throughout history have always had lower rates of crimes and had higher trust in each other.

Why do people seek to erase that?

It doesn't mean people from other cultures and ethnicities can't co-exist in their societies but it does mean they need to integrate as best they can.

For instance, my wife's Thai and when I visit Thailand, I'm under the personal expectation that I respect their culture and laws, which I always have. Foreigners who act outside those bounds piss me off and are usually 'sorted out' in a back alley somewhere if they take it too far.

As someone who's spent multiple years there over time, I've come to realise they're really not that different to us here in Australia. I get what you're saying but the flipside is that if I didn't adhere to their customs and cultures I probably wouldn't get the same level of respect over there as I usually do.

The only way to achieve what you're suggesting is basically cultural erasure and putting everyone into a melting pot until they all come out the same.

Now it seems that experiment has been ongoing in Europe for a few decades now and safe to say, it ain't going so well, but that's due to it being force and not left to happen naturally over centuries. At least they're trying, I guess?

Other regions of the world just wipe out whoever they don't like.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Culturally and ethnically homogenous groups/countries throughout history have always had lower rates of crimes and had higher trust in each other.

Why do people seek to erase that?

It doesn't mean people from other cultures and ethnicities can't co-exist in their societies but it does mean they need to integrate as best they can.

For instance, my wife's Thai and when I visit Thailand, I'm under the personal expectation that I respect their culture and laws, which I always have. Foreigners who act outside those bounds piss me off and are usually 'sorted out' in a back alley somewhere if they take it too far.

As someone who's spent multiple years there over time, I've come to realise they're really not that different to us here in Australia. I get what you're saying but the flipside is that if I didn't adhere to their customs and cultures I probably wouldn't get the same level of respect over there as I usually do.

The only way to achieve what you're suggesting is basically cultural erasure and putting everyone into a melting pot until they all come out the same.

Now it seems that experiment has been ongoing in Europe for a few decades now and safe to say, it ain't going so well, but that's due to it being force and not left to happen naturally over centuries. At least they're trying, I guess?

Other regions of the world just wipe out whoever they don't like.

I agree in general with all of your post. But cultures need not be erased when living side by side. It takes more effort, sure, but culture can survive co-existence.

 

[bzparkes]

I agree in general with all of your post. But cultures need not be erased when living side by side. It takes more effort, sure, but culture can survive co-existence.

Like I said, I very much agree with the sentiment, I just doubt the possibility of such a thing ever being realised.

Having said that, if education systems worldwide were massively improve it probably wouldn't be so far out of reach.

But of course, the general masses would be smarter and thus, more difficult to control.

That's a tinfoil hat topic for another discussion though