Scandal Tom Silvagni convicted of rape

[Munich]

It will be tough to visit him if they've moved to Qld.

Surely due to his psychiatric conditions he'll be in the slot for his entire sentence?

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

The sentence is roughly what I expected in the end.

Silvagni did himself no favours with the lack of remorse and denial of his offending.

 

[dmc333]

And with the number 1 pick in the Corrections Victoria draft, the Barwon Maniacs select Tom Silvagni.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

So you can use the son of a famous football family defence for behaving badly and it works.

As we all predicted.

It's quite extraordinary isn't it.

He was found unanimously Guilty by a jury. No reasonable doubt.

Which by extension, also means his shitty behaviour prior and after the rape was verified.

So surely that puts this at the extreme end? Not the milder end?

It's strange to get what appears to be a lighter sentence?

 

[parano1a]

I'm not sure what legal advice they got but the approach the family took definately backfired.

I believe it was what is known in legal circles as the "Shaggy defence".

 

[ajs071]

You would think that when it does come to his parole hearing that he will need to finally admit his wrong doing for them to even consider releasing him.

 

[Munich]

And with the number 1 pick in the Corrections Victoria draft, the Barwon Maniacs select Tom Silvagni.

Not sure if he'll be going to Barwon, more likely Ararat apparently.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I believe it was what is known in legal circles as the "Shaggy defence".
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I think the 'it wasn't me' defence is fine if it wasn't you.

But surely if you're going with that defence, you've got to support it somehow? You've got to provide some sort of viable alternative?

Other than 'she was mistaken'.

 

[Munich]

I think the 'it wasn't me' defence is fine if it wasn't you.

But surely if you're going with that defence, you've got to support it somehow? You've got to provide some sort of viable alternative?

Other than 'she was mistaken'.

He tried to pot his best mate for it.

Then when that didn't work it was the she's lying rhetoric.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

He tried to pot his best mate for it.

Then when that didn't work it was the she's lying rhetoric.

But once his mate wouldn't comply, he had to offer the court something more?

To be honest though, maybe he did and I just haven't read it anywhere.

 

[Munich]

You would think that when it does come to his parole hearing that he will need to finally admit his wrong doing for them to even consider releasing him.

Yes it's one of the things they look at, part of the rehabilitation and counselling to address the issues that lead to the offence.

He could easily just tell them he's learnt blah blah to meet the requirements, it's all done in custody anyway.

 

[Munich]

But once his mate wouldn't comply, he had to offer the court something more?

To be honest though, maybe he did and I just haven't read it anywhere.

No he didn't offer anything other than it wasn't him.

 

[marcmurphy3]

But once his mate wouldn't comply, he had to offer the court something more?

To be honest though, maybe he did and I just haven't read it anywhere.

It would have been more believable if he said she's nuts and made the whole thing up. Particularly since his girlfriend is obviously willing to lie for him and could have backed him up. Might have given them a shot at reasonable doubt. He said, she said.

Saying it was somebody else, who could easily contradict that story, and would have reason to feel aggrieved was just the worst idea.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

But once his mate wouldn't comply, he had to offer the court something more?

To be honest though, maybe he did and I just haven't read it anywhere.

Their defence was "we are the Silvagnis", that's it pretty much

 

[phantom13]

I hate this part where the offender gets their "good character" talked about.

Would have thought you lose the right to be referred to as “of good character” the second you rape someone personally.

 

[Pistol Night]

****n Smudge. Im dizzy as **** and sick every Sunday morning. I still getup and roll the arm over in the backyard. No minerals

 

[BillyElliott]

It would have been more believable if he said she's nuts and made the whole thing up. Particularly since his girlfriend is obviously willing to lie for him and could have backed him up. Might have given them a shot at reasonable doubt. He said, she said.

Saying it was somebody else, who could easily contradict that story, and would have reason to feel aggrieved was just the worst idea.

That's what many rapists say & how they avoid a conviction. Sadly.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

I think their explanation and justification was that he 'panicked'.

I still don't know what the Defence's actual defence was? Is he saying that the entire episode never occurred at all? Or that it just wasn't him that did it, and it was his mate that's bullshitting?

Ridiculous isn't it! I can't recall ever panicking and forging Uber receipts for my friend who just left my house.

 

[Pistol Night]

That's what most rapists say & how they avoid a conviction. Sadly.

The problem is there have been innocent blokes falsely accused in the past so people are naturally skeptical in most cases now. It often comes down to he says/she says and luckily this time the text messages and attempt to hide evidence were damning

 

[WillHayward]

I dont think it helped him that he showed absolutely no remorse and just went the deny deny deny route. I'm not sure what legal advice they got but the approach the family took definately backfired.

Its obviously a tough position to be in, and nobody wants their kid to go to jail, but I think you need to aknowledge when you're snookered and minimise the damage. Not helping Tom by supporting the ridiculous route he went down as far as defence.

If he pleads guilty I doubt he gets more then 3 years with 18 months non parole.

Was more important to Jo and Stephen to deny the charges even if it meant a longer sentence.

So they can still cling on to the PR delusion that "maybe he's innocent".

Seems like their precious "family name" is uber important.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

So if he owned it, was remorseful the whole time and admitted it, what would have happened?

 

[Big_Birdy]

3 year non parole is a significant sentence all things considered. Even more than LukeParkerno1 expected, and he was a far better judge than I was in this instance.

I actually forgot it was two counts so should have just stayed silent to be honest.

But in reality this is a serious sentence with all the usual sentencing considerations in his favour (although genuine remorse is a big omission).

 

[BringFevBack2021]

So if he owned it, was remorseful the whole time and admitted it, what would have happened?

He'd for sure have been given some degree of leniency but undoubtedly would've served a few years anywho.

Understating the crime by calling it "sticky fingers" is actually ****ed

 

[Munich]

He'd for sure have been given some degree of leniency but undoubtedly would've served a few years anywho.

Understating the crime by calling it "sticky fingers" is actually ****ed

It just shows there are still men who don't find rape a big deal and that they're somehow entitled to women's bodies as they see fit.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

3 year non parole is a significant sentence all things considered. Even more than LukeParkerno1 expected, and he was a far better judge than I was in this instance.

I actually forgot it was two counts so should have just stayed silent to be honest.

But in reality this is a serious sentence with all the usual sentencing considerations in his favour (although genuine remorse is a big omission).

Yep think it’s about right slight unders but I did expect them to err on the side of lesser here. It removes the ability to appeal on a sentence being manifestly excessive