Religion Bondi shooting - 16 confirmed dead at Jewish event

[RubyLovesTheDees]

As far as I'm aware this website does not fall under Mr Minns' jurisdiction.
Even if it was, it would still be able to be discussed using those exact words and phrasing.

nws I will keep an eye out for it

 

[Jameggins]

If he was calling for a race of people to be exterminated then that’s definitely hate speech. I don’t know that he did because I haven’t researched it.

What crimes did the victims of the Christchurch massacre commit?

If you read the opinions of many posters who agree with you, they believe they committed the crime of being Muslim and therefore deserved it.

 

[CM86]

some people just get emotional about children being shot in the head...

Who doesn't?

You're one of the most hateful anti-Semites I've seen on BF.
You try to turn everything into some way of attacking Jews, regardless of topic.

You don't care about Gaza, Palestinians, or any conflict.
All you ever seem to do, is try to find ways to promote extremist rhetoric against Jews, without being banned.

 

[ElectricG]

If you read the opinions of many posters who agree with you, they believe they committed the crime of being Muslim and therefore deserved it.

I haven’t seen anyone say that.

So as you have savant knowledge of the sins of every victim of political violence, what did the Christchurch victims do that was bad?

 

[CM86]

But the point is the AJA thing was posted here to provoke outrage and imply that Jewish organisations are not only just as bad, but worse! Anyone who is being honest knows that one instance of creepy filming is not comparable. If that’s as bad as the reprisal gets after a massacre of their people then jfc you’d wanna come up with something more damning.

No.

The point is that the AJA is a handful of far right extremists first, and Jews second, who deliberately lie and doctor footage to promote fear, hate and anger.

The AJA is a political movement.

People still refer to the doctored clip from the AJA at the Opera House chanting 'Gas the Jews'. Within days of the October 7th attack.
If you're going to pretend that that hasn't had an impact on the entire discourse, narrative and understanding of global events, I know you're lying.

So, yes, them filming a woman in a dress to try and pretend it's some kind of attack on Jews, is a deliberate attempt to incite hate, fear and violence.

 

[Jameggins]

I haven’t seen anyone say that.

So as you have savant knowledge of the sins of every victim of political violence, what did the Christchurch victims do that was bad?

Well no I'm not, nor have I even suggested he deserved to die for his opinions. It's a pretty simple question though whether these new laws will really apply to all hate speech, or if it's simply targeted at pro-Palestinian people. I'm betting that it's the latter.

 

[ElectricG]

Well no I'm not, nor have I even suggested he deserved to die for his opinions. It's a pretty simple question though whether these new laws will really apply to all hate speech, or if it's simply targeted at pro-Palestinian people. I'm betting that it's the latter.

How come you know what these victims have done but not the Christchurch victims?

 

[Jameggins]

No.

The point is that the AJA is a handful of far right extremists first, and Jews second, who deliberately lie and doctor footage to promote fear, hate and anger.

The AJA is a political movement.

People still refer to the doctored clip from the AJA at the Opera House chanting 'Gas the Jews'. Within days of the October 7th attack.
If you're going to pretend that that hasn't had an impact on the entire discourse, narrative and understanding of global events, I know you're lying.

So, yes, them filming a woman in a dress to try and pretend it's some kind of attack on Jews, is a deliberate attempt to incite hate, fear and violence.

The AJA also work with and fund settler groups. There's a reason why other peak Jewish groups don't support them.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

How come you know what these victims have done but not the Christchurch victims?

I don't think any of the Christchurch victims were trying to be social media influencers.

 

[ElectricG]

I don't think any of the Christchurch victims were trying to be social media influencers.

How do you know? Did you google their names?

 

[Jameggins]

How come you know what these victims have done but not the Christchurch victims?

1 victim. Can't see where I have posted about anyone other than the prominent rabbi who had been in the news before this happened.

 

[ElectricG]

1 victim. Can't see where I have posted about anyone other than the prominent rabbi who had been in the news before this happened.

Were there any prominent people among those killed in Christchurch?

 

[Markfs]

Not sure you've interpreted Freo's post correctly. They are commenting on the attacks and who is getting the blame.

Being big supporters of the Israeli government and being spoken about fondly in Israeli media isn't equivalent to combating anti-semitism or Islamic extremism, such that these attacks would be less likely.

well its not the media that's important, I thought it was reflective of the view of these two by the general israeli population, or to emphasis the point, the clearly negative attitude to albanese.

 

[CM86]

The AJA also work with and fund settler groups. There's a reason why other peak Jewish groups don't support them.

I don't think you realise what you're saying, or what it means.

Just going back quickly through a post chain. I agree that you should not discuss the actions or intentions of any of the victims.
Because we all know that at no point was that a known reason for the massacre at Bondi.

Using hindsight to explain a justification for a murder or a massacre will always come across as a justification for the actions of evil.

You have to know and understand that regardless of the actions or intent of the people at Bondi, the reason and result had no knowledge of it.

You can't try to justify this, because there is no justification for extremism.

 

[CM86]

well its not the media that's important, I thought it was reflective of the view of these two by the general israeli population, or to emphasis the point, the clearly negative attitude to albanese.

Can you stop trying to force your hate of Jews into this thread?

I get it, you want all Jews to be violently forced out of Australia.
It's why you're banned from almost all Israel discussions.

But can you you **** off? Stop pretending that you care about Australia or Australian victims.
Stop pretending you don't understand why you're banned.
Stop finding safer ways to spread the same message.

Just **** off.

 

[Markfs]

Who doesn't?

You're one of the most hateful anti-Semites I've seen on BF.
You try to turn everything into some way of attacking Jews, regardless of topic.

You don't care about Gaza, Palestinians, or any conflict.
All you ever seem to do, is try to find ways to promote extremist rhetoric against Jews, without being banned.

i get banned quite often. I havent been given reasons in the past. I presume people like yourself complain because of your views about antisemitism. I just don't like tens of thousands of children being killed, not counting the elderly and the non-combatant women. Presumably, this will happen again soon and you can have the pleasure of seeing me gone for good. $7,000. cha-ching.

For the record, I felt sick when I heard about the deaths on bondi beach.

 

[Jameggins]

Were there any prominent people among those killed in Christchurch?

No idea, but given I live down the road from Bondi, and not in Christchurch, it's probably a bit more likely I might know of the victims this time.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Just check back in…. Yep… still a cesspool.

 

[Markfs]

Can you stop trying to force your hate of Jews into this thread?

I get it, you want all Jews to be violently forced out of Australia.
It's why you're banned from almost all Israel discussions.

But can you you **** off? Stop pretending that you care about Australia or Australian victims.
Stop pretending you don't understand why you're banned.
Stop finding safer ways to spread the same message.

Just **** off.

That's quite a rant. I've never even thought about jews being violently forced out of australia. You shouldnt misrepresent me.

 

[ElectricG]

No idea, but given I live down the road from Bondi, and not in Christchurch, it's probably a bit more likely I might know of the victims this time.

Have you no idea because you never looked, nor did I. Because I’m not a psycho and I was not looking for a reason why they might have deserved it.

 

[Jameggins]

I don't think you realise what you're saying, or what it means.

Just going back quickly through a post chain. I agree that you should not discuss the actions or intentions of any of the victims.
Because we all know that at no point was that a known reason for the massacre at Bondi.

Using hindsight to explain a justification for a murder or a massacre will always come across as a justification for the actions of evil.

You have to know and understand that regardless of the actions or intent of the people at Bondi, the reason and result had no knowledge of it.

You can't try to justify this, because there is no justification for extremism.

I don't think you realise what you're saying. At no point was I trying to justify anything. It was a simple question (by someone else by the way). Would his statements and actions be considered hate speech under the new laws. It isn't to get an answer that justifies the terrorist attack. It is to get an answer whether the laws apply to all preachers of hate, or just a certain group.

We could likewise ask why it doesn't apply to Minns himself given the hate he has been spreading about protesters. He blamed the Harbour Bridge protesters, which I was proudly one of hundreds of thousands, for the terrorist attack. He is preaching hate for people protesting for something they believe in.

 

[CM86]

i get banned quite often. I havent been given reasons in the past. I presume people like yourself complain because of your views about antisemitism. I just don't like tens of thousands of children being killed, not counting the elderly and the non-combatant women. Presumably, this will happen again soon and you can have the pleasure of seeing me gone for good. $7,000. cha-ching.

For the record, I felt sick when I heard about the deaths on bondi beach.

Contact moderation then, you lying scumbag.
Explain to them why your posts calling for the exodus of Jews a year ago, was for 'their' safety...l

 

[CM86]

Just check back in…. Yep… still a cesspool.

Almost like anywhere you go... Is a cesspool.

Maybe the problem comes from within?

 

[Jameggins]

Have you no idea because you never looked, nor did I. Because I’m not a psycho and I was not looking for a reason why they might have deserved it.

Knowing he was a spreader of hate doesn't mean he deserved it. I personally don't believe hate speech is a death penalty offence.

This is the same game you guys played when Charlie Kirk died. Any mention of the horrific shit he said was apparently us justifying his murder. Everyone has to be considered a saint after they die.

 

[CM86]

I don't think you realise what you're saying. At no point was I trying to justify anything. It was a simple question (by someone else by the way). Would his statements and actions be considered hate speech under the new laws. It isn't to get an answer that justifies the terrorist attack. It is to get an answer whether the laws apply to all preachers of hate, or just a certain group.

We could likewise ask why it doesn't apply to Minns himself given the hate he has been spreading about protesters. He blamed the Harbour Bridge protesters, which I was proudly one of hundreds of thousands, for the terrorist attack. He is preaching hate for people protesting for something they believe in.

You know what. You're right.

I've burned so many friendships and connections on here, by attempting to explain or support posters who are, or appear far-right. And all that's ever come from it, is more internal hate, and more isolation.

So **** it. **** you Kram, evolved2, ElectricG, Sphynx, Lebbo73, Dogs_R_Us et al. I'm done shooting myself in the foot trying to find common ground with you. **** you. If you can't spend a moment to try and understand my point of view, why the **** should I keep trying to understand yours.