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Thanks all.

 

[faible]

There’s other AI models he could be using, it certainly doesn’t read like the same person who normally uses the account, needs to work on his prompts for writing style.

 

[Baldur]

Well the media classes and their owners went all in on culture wars and identity politics for a reason.

To deny the class struggle aka actual left wing politics.

Quite, divide and rule against the working and lower middle class. Make them regard each other as the enemy, while the rich make out like bandits stealing from them all.

 

[madmug]

Voting Greens doesn't mean I'm a leftist.

Always vote for who potentially benefits you the most through their policies, not whoever parrots your ideology.

Now I certainly was left growing but what being 'left' meant went from simply caring about the environment, having robust social systems, supporting the working class, LGBQT+ rights, etc to the extreme identity politics which affects both the left and right.

Being 'left' is absolutely not what it used to mean whatsoever, so I have no problem calling those on the extreme edge 'leftists', because they no longer represent what it used to mean.

When has voting Green been considered anything except being on the left side of the political spectrum?

 

[Satan]

Yes Dr Trump

 

[Seeds]

When has voting Green been considered anything except being on the left side of the political spectrum?

The spectrum isnt a line anymore. Its a triangle.

 

[QuietB]

Yes Dr Trump

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WTF

 

[RCAB]

It's fine I'm happy to argue against GPT rather than you 10571z

Does the motive justify extrajudicial capture? And why.

It is important to acknowledge that we are limited by our own perspective, we lack the high level intelligence available to the U.S. government. From their viewpoint, the ends may justify the means. Realistically, however, a dictator is unlikely to be overthrown without a significant civilian uprising and the inevitable bloodshed that accompanies it.

So you've walked back now what you've said previously

You're now saying:

"from their point of view"... the end justify the means. But it actually doesn't, because what's there to stop greater powers doing the same thing to smaller nations in the future? If the US does it, then it's hard for them to argue against it if others do it and not look hypocritical.

Does hegemony override sovereignty?

It really depends on the situation there isn't a one size fits all answer. While everyone should be the 'boss' of their own territory, they also have a responsibility to work effectively with the rest of the international community. Venezuela probably should have banked their chips with the USA...

Even if you accept that Maduro was a failure, tell me how capturing a leader from a sovereign state, how is that "being responsible by working effectively with the rest of the international community" when you've violated international law? Trump rhetoric has morphed into wanting to take Greenland (again) and maybe even Cuba now, after the emboldened take over of Venezuela, how is that "working effectively" with the rest of the international community? I also thought you admitted this would piss certain actors like China off, did your GPT run out of token memory?

What precedent does this set for other powers?

I agree that this sets a dangerous precedent, but that is the calculated risk the U.S. chose to take. Whether this signals a 'green light' for China remains to be seen, but given that Russia is already following this path in Ukraine, the global consequences are unpredictable.

You've conceded it's "a risk." I don't think we're moving the Overton Window more than that if your then putting a false equivalence about China and Russia.

What happens when these tools are used against US aligned leaders?

Essentially, the U.S. is relying on its status as the world's 'top dog.' However, that dominance is highly situational. If someone like Vice President JD Vance were to be targeted by a rival power like Russia or China while abroad, things could escalate into an incredibly volatile situation.

Okay... But volatility is exactly why power based justifications eventually fail. They assume permanent dominance when things eventually change. Saying the US is the top dog isn't necessarily accurate either, but even if they are it's not by much.

 

[pjcrows]

People can have different political opinions and world views, but if you support or are even impartial/okay with Trump's actions in Venezuela you're essentially accepting the erosion of 80 years of agreed international behaviour and norms built after WWII. They weren't perfect, but they exist to help prevent powerful states from literally attacking and controlling weaker neighbours for self-interest leading to global conflict... you know, 1930's Europe and Asia?

A lot of the exasperation comes also because Trump specifically campaigned against doing this.

If that's your stance, then fine. But I will call it is a selfish, narrow and immoral stance and my only question would be - next time it could be us, and what then?

 

[T2B_]

People can have different political opinions and world views, but if you support or are even impartial/okay with Trump's actions in Venezuela you're essentially accepting the erosion of 80 years of agreed international behaviour and norms built after WWII. They weren't perfect, but they exist to help prevent powerful states from literally attacking and controlling weaker neighbours for self-interest leading to global conflict... you know, 1930's Europe and Asia?

A lot of the exasperation comes also because Trump specifically campaigned against doing this.

If that's your stance, then fine. But I will call it is a selfish, narrow and immoral stance and my only question would be - next time it could be us, and what then?

Sadly I think the way some people post, if Trump invaded us or kidnapped our leader, they would be celebrating. It's madness.

 

[Royces Hart]

If that's your stance, then fine. But I will call it is a selfish, narrow and immoral stance and my only question would be - next time it could be us, and what then?

If it is us, there will be a lot of information that us average citizens aren’t privy to and in the eyes of the invading force, the ends may justify the means.

So I’m cool with it.

 

[campbell]

Yes Dr Trump

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Release the Epstein files, doofus.

 

[pjcrows]

Sadly I think the way some people post, if Trump invaded us or kidnapped our leader, they would be celebrating. It's madness.

But hey, at least we'd be "pwning the lefties".

 

[Chief]

Yes Dr Trump

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He's on the drugs. Has to be.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[JackFlash]

Does Trump get to collect Biden's $25 million dollar bounty placed on Maduro in January 2025? Later that year, the reward was increased to $50 million under Trump. "I guess we save $50 million," said Marco Rubio. They obviously agreed on something! Biden also stated in 1989 that these dictators and drug lords will be sought out in their own backyard if need be.

 

[Zidane98]

He's on the drugs. Has to be.

Maduro is probably his main supplier and cut Orange Mussolini off for being 120 days overdue on his outstanding balance of $125,000,000.


Arresting his supplier was much easier than paying him.

 

[nut]

 

[QuietB]

 

[ams4crows]

I haven't seen this reported anywhere

When I say about to have a meeting I don't mean it's actually happening I mean NATO leaders would genuinely have to think about having a discussion about potentially allowing the US to have Greenland because If the US leave NATO all European countries would be disadvantaged if they can no longer outsource military resources to the US and Russia would then roll into eastern Europe again

 

[Chief]

This pic was a beauty as well

Twitter on the big screen in a make-shift situation room at Mar-a-lago during a military strike is possibly the most emblematic image ever of this presidency lol, chef's kiss.

Hegseth's looking at pron.

 

[ams4crows]

Also Trump would know that Europe would not want to enforce article 5 against them, there's not a single European country that can afford "going to war" right now let alone against the US

Europe want or need to keep the peace, European countries collectively prospers during peace, and they have all seen what happens when Europe is savaged by war, it takes time to recover while other untouched by war countries prosper more, the US strength now was built off the back of WW2, where they were relatively unscathed and became a world powerhouse whilst Europe was divided and being rebuilt.

 

[jatz14]

A decade in Syria, after they were invited by the Syrian leader to help fight ISIS. What does Russian support of Qaddafi have to do with this discussion tho. Are Russia or the USSR not allowed to support other nations or be allies with them?

I don't see how Russia being invited to Syria compares to the US trying to destabilise it in the context of your earlier point about them playing by their own rules.



Russia isn't the USSR. Last time I checked they hadn't invade Azerbaijan either. I am however shocked to the core to find that China makes claims over an area known as the South China Sea. Stunned even.

The South China sea has the name China in it, but the bit they want isn't remotely near China. It would be like us naming a body of water between 2 Indonesian islands the Northern Australia sea, and then saying it's ours and Indonesia has to stay out.

 

[jatz14]

When has voting Green been considered anything except being on the left side of the political spectrum?

Teals. This is what the Teals were, green leaning right wingers who traditionally voted Liberal, who abandoned them when they made being anti green their whole persona.

 

[jatz14]

So, how do they plan on stopping Trump steal them, the way he is stealing Venezualan oil?

 

[nut]

I’m feeling for Canadians