Pauline Hanson - One Nation Party

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[RedStarUncle]

As a migrant group Indians are perfect, they are educated, speak English and generally find employment quickly once arriving, however the concern is the sheer volume of migrants that have arrived since Covid is unprecedented and is dramatically changing who we are as Australians.

For context since 2020, between 550-600k migrants arrived in Australia from India
from 1945-1990 there were 360-400k arrivals from Italy & 200-250k arrivals from Greece.

If you want to have a conversation about appropriate immigration levels, that might be a conversation worth having. But it's not a conversation worth having with PHON anywhere near it. I doubt you will ever find a PHON-supporter who can talk about immigration rates without resorting to "the right kinds of immigrants" rhetoric.

YOU... in your very first response... already defaulted to "mostly from India". If the issue is immigration rates, that's irrelevant.



If you have an issue with immigration rates... you actually have an issue with corporate and business interests... because they are the ones that rely and population growth to prop up economic growth. Pauline is just as wed to big business growth as John Howard and the subsequent LNP leaders... so far from your saviour, she is just another hypocrite offering an easy answer and if she ever got into power she would just make life more miserable for people with the wrong skin colour while at best doing nothing to solve your "noble" agenda to save Australia from migration, or at worst tanking the lifestyle of everyday Australians so we could work in Gina's mines for $2 a day in place of the immigrants we've been saved from.

 

[Harro59]

Do the " Hansonites " who scream " Pauline for PM " think she can find a lower house seat and win it to lead O.N. to victory at the next election ?

Have to be a QLD.seat. Any candidates ?

Thats probably a minor issue relative to finding candidates to fill enough seats and win enough seats. I think she can find a safe QLD seat to hold, it will be getting enough decent candidates in to win power.

 

[Gough]

If I was Hanson I'd be making a play for Bridget Mckenzie.

 

[Daka]

I am wondering if The National Party would merge with One Nation? that's probably their hypthetical best chance of ever forming Government.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

• Free University & Tafe

Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland all have this. So I wouldn't call it unaffordable since we're wealthier than all of them.

• Renters rights to solar, there are already enough disincentives for landlords

I don't see many people giving up on investment properties due to how tough it is being a landlord. If they want to, I'm sure many people would welcome another property put onto the sales market, as a renter might be able to buy.

But regardless, solar panels are an asset for landlords, as they increase the property value. Even the Queensland LNP recognises renters having access to solar is a good idea, as they've started a program to subsidise installations on rental properties (which is a handout to landlords honestly).

• Tax big banks to end homelessness.... yesssssssss this will work

Can you please explain why it won't?

• Banning gas when energy prices are already exploding due to ridiculous climate change policies

Energy prices are high due to Russian gas being unavailable for purchase and government subsidies having expired. Renewables are already outcompeting gas on price. Why allow more exploitation of an expensive power source that is cooking our planet?

• 4 day work week.. living in lala land

I'm sure people thought that about the 5 day working week and 8 hour day too, a century ago. But increasing productivity thanks to technology meant working conditions changed to make that standard. Why can't that happen again? There's been a lot of technology improvement and economic growth since then.

Also note that in 1978 Australians worked about the same number of hours annually as Germans did, but now Germans work 17% fewer hours. How come?

Are we working more than ever?

Working hours for the average worker have decreased dramatically over the last 150 years.

ourworldindata.org

• Legalising cannabis..

This reduces costs and is being swiftly adopted across the developed world, including in multiple US states. How is it unaffordable or extreme?

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

It’s pretty simple, really - the major parties abandoned their voters. They did it long ago. They serve vested interests, donors, big business and the mega rich.

Turns out f**king average joe for decades has consequences.

The person or party who even pretends to care will be a big winner. Hence why Trump president, hence why Reform is growing in the UK.
Someone pretending to care is more than what the majors are doing.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Turns out f**king average joe for decades has consequences.

The person or party who even pretends to care will be a big winner. Hence why Trump president, hence why Reform is growing in the UK.
Someone pretending to care is more than what the majors are doing.

Yeah it’s a worry. It opens the door for the likes of Trump. The unabashed liars.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Yeah it’s a worry. It opens the door for the likes of Trump. The unabashed liars.

What is so worryingly bad about Trump, besides his egotistical persona he is running an American first platform, our polllies could learn a lot from.

 

[_Cerberus_]

Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland all have this. So I wouldn't call it unaffordable since we're wealthier than all of them.


I don't see many people giving up on investment properties due to how tough it is being a landlord. If they want to, I'm sure many people would welcome another property put onto the sales market, as a renter might be able to buy.

But regardless, solar panels are an asset for landlords, as they increase the property value. Even the Queensland LNP recognises renters having access to solar is a good idea, as they've started a program to subsidise installations on rental properties (which is a handout to landlords honestly).


Can you please explain why it won't?


Energy prices are high due to Russian gas being unavailable for purchase and government subsidies having expired. Renewables are already outcompeting gas on price. Why allow more exploitation of an expensive power source that is cooking our planet?


I'm sure people thought that about the 5 day working week and 8 hour day too, a century ago. But increasing productivity thanks to technology meant working conditions changed to make that standard. Why can't that happen again? There's been a lot of technology improvement and economic growth since then.

Also note that in 1978 Australians worked about the same number of hours annually as Germans did, but now they work 17% fewer hours. How come?

Are we working more than ever?

Working hours for the average worker have decreased dramatically over the last 150 years.

ourworldindata.org

This reduces costs and is being swiftly adopted across the developed world, including in multiple US states. How is it unaffordable or extreme?

Some countries have trialed the four day working week, and it saw productivity soar. No sure why so many are determined to keep us working as much as possible. We are already working 40-50 hours a week, still cannot afford stuff, retirement age increased and the push to keep doing so, to keep us working to death. Also four day work week doesn't mean less hours, normally it ends up long shifts on those 4 days, and an extra free day to spend with your kids, friends and partner.

 

[Donakebab]

I am wondering if The National Party would merge with One Nation? that's probably their hypthetical best chance of ever forming Government.

If memory serves me correctly, Malcolm Roberts is the only One Nation member other than Pauline to last a full term. Even then, he was previously disqualified under the Section 44 scandals due to being a dual citizen. Every other member has either resigned or has been disqualified.

As ****ed as the LNP are, a coalition between One Nation and the Nats would be the most dysfunctional alliance since the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Turns out f**king average joe for decades has consequences.

The person or party who even pretends to care will be a big winner. Hence why Trump president, hence why Reform is growing in the UK.
Someone pretending to care is more than what the majors are doing.

The caveat is, this only appears to apply to the political right. Outside of a few specific areas like New York City, the political left saying they care, whether genuine or pretence, isn't winning many votes.

What is so worryingly bad about Trump, besides his egotistical persona he is running an American first platform, our polllies could learn a lot from.

He isn't though, in reality he's running on an Israel first platform. And even if he was, I'm not sure it's in the US' interests to alienate every ally they have by imposing tariffs on all their goods, including in industries the US aren't major players in. That's the sort of weird economics that I expect out of people like Pauline Hanson, actually.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

The caveat is, this only appears to apply to the political right. Outside of a few specific areas like New York City, the political left saying they care, whether genuine or pretence, isn't winning many votes.

This is where the political left need to use a bit of brains. They need too need to focus on the key issues people are facing. That's where the political left has gone wrong recently. Too much time spent on fringe issues and not enough on the key ones.

 

[aCunningPlan]

This is where the political left need to use a bit of brains. They need too need to focus on the key issues people are facing. That's where the political left has gone wrong recently. Too much time spent on fringe issues and not enough on the key ones.

Labor won in a landslide last year precisely because they showed they are focusing on issues people are facing.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Because their members who are traditionally conservative and lean far right would be more aligned with ON than the current Libs. You are correct that the Nats have a bunch of career pollies who are comfortable in safe seats and are unlikely to upset the status quo.

The seats that are traditional heartland of the Nats would be precisely the seats that would be first on ON's hitlist. A coalition between the two wouldn't work. Neither is a threat in metropolitan seats and the Nats don't even hold that many big country cities. So they'd be fighting each other for the same handful of bush seats as the ones the Nats already have. It makes zero sense. ON has nothing to offer them.

I'd say that the Nats splitting with the Libs for good is quite possible. But the Nats hopping into bed with ON is absurd.

EDIT: And the above is without even mentioning the Barnaby Joyce defection, which will probably result in the two parties actively despising each other for as long as they're both around.

 

[krakouers]

Legitimate question: Which seat would Pauline actually represent should she run in Parliament?
Curious to see who the incumbent is and how they are tracking

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Legitimate question: Which seat would Pauline actually represent should she run in Parliament?
Curious to see who the incumbent is and how they are tracking

Think she lives in Beaudesert, so Wright.

It's alright to be Wright would likely be her slogan.

 

[GreyWind]

Legitimate question: Which seat would Pauline actually represent should she run in Parliament?
Curious to see who the incumbent is and how they are tracking

So if my very brief google search is correct and honestly I can't be ****ed knowing more about Pauline than I already do. She lives in Beaudesert putting her in the Wright Federal Electorate.

Currently held by Scott Buchholz of the LNP and has been since 2010 (16 ****ing years and it's the first time I've heard his name, how ****ing useless is this campaigner?).

Anyway he currently holds Wright on a 2PP basis of 58% to 42% Labor. ON got 16.25% of the first party vote last election, even combining all the cooker parties together and they still don't trump the first party vote of the LNP.

However it does get tricky if Pauline was to stand in her local electorate as you'd imagine she'd get a bump from this. However you'd also imagine that none of the Greens, Labor or LNP would be preferencing ON.

Or knowing Pauline she goes the safe route of some patsy winning their seat in the HoR who then stands down for a by-election allowing Pauline to run. But that then also means ON has won enough seats to form Government and our country is proper ****ed.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Surely this is a troll.. The question is which are extreme and which are woke... Basically all the policies are extreme in that they our economy could not afford them.

• Free University & Tafe
• Renters rights to solar, there are already enough disincentives for landlords
• Climate response service
• Tax big banks to end homelessness.... yesssssssss this will work
• Banning gas when energy prices are already exploding due to ridiculous climate change policies
• 4 day work week.. living in lala land
• Legalising cannabis..
• Stopping shark nets
• Wiping all student debt
• Stopping the Melbourne Cup carnival of cruelty
• etc etc etc

You realize the impractical ones would never get through parliament?

I was asking which ones you had a problem with their sentiment. Not whether or not you find them practical.

 

[Carringbush2010]

As a migrant group Indians are perfect, they are educated, speak English and generally find employment quickly once arriving, however the concern is the sheer volume of migrants that have arrived since Covid is unprecedented and is dramatically changing who we are as Australians.

For context since 2020, between 550-600k migrants arrived in Australia from India
from 1945-1990 there were 360-400k arrivals from Italy & 200-250k arrivals from Greece.

So what's the problem?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Can you please explain why it won't?

• Tax big banks to end homelessness.... yesssssssss this will work

Probably because big corp, not just big banks, if they're taxed 'too much' will just move their profits offshore or some other way to avoid 'big' taxes.

Not to mention parliament would never taxe em hard because mps are getting paid off by those corp lobbyists, so it's not in their interest.

 

[Carringbush2010]

What is so worryingly bad about Trump, besides his egotistical persona he is running an American billionaires first platform that donate and lobby for the cop, at the expense of Jan and Joe public, our polllies could learn a lot from, in fact they're learning.

EFA

 

[krakouers]

So if my very brief google search is correct and honestly I can't be ****ed knowing more about Pauline than I already do. She lives in Beaudesert putting her in the Wright Federal Electorate.

Currently held by Scott Buchholz of the LNP and has been since 2010 (16 ****ing years and it's the first time I've heard his name, how ****ing useless is this campaigner?).

Anyway he currently holds Wright on a 2PP basis of 58% to 42% Labor. ON got 16.25% of the first party vote last election, even combining all the cooker parties together and they still don't trump the first party vote of the LNP.

However it does get tricky if Pauline was to stand in her local electorate as you'd imagine she'd get a bump from this. However you'd also imagine that none of the Greens, Labor or LNP would be preferencing ON.

Or knowing Pauline she goes the safe route of some patsy winning their seat in the HoR who then stands down for a by-election allowing Pauline to run. But that then also means ON has won enough seats to form Government and our country is proper ****ed.

All good, that’s what I wondered
If depending on the seat, there was a decent chance of actually being elected and knelt thinking that unless there was a very huge swing, there’s no chance she will ever get in outside a completely rural Cherry picked seat

 

[Permission Capable]

What is so worryingly bad about Trump, besides his egotistical persona he is running an American first platform, our polllies could learn a lot from.

And it's costing his country and people far more than it's making them.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Surely this is a troll.. The question is which are extreme and which are woke... Basically all the policies are extreme in that they our economy could not afford them.

• Free University & Tafe
• Renters rights to solar, there are already enough disincentives for landlords
• Climate response service
• Tax big banks to end homelessness.... yesssssssss this will work
• Banning gas when energy prices are already exploding due to ridiculous climate change policies
• 4 day work week.. living in lala land
• Legalising cannabis..
• Stopping shark nets
• Wiping all student debt
• Stopping the Melbourne Cup carnival of cruelty
• etc etc etc

You realize the impractical ones would never get through parliament?

I was asking which ones you had a problem with their sentiment. Not wich ones you thought impractical.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Surely this is a troll.. The question is which are extreme and which are woke... Basically all the policies are extreme in that they our economy could not afford them.

• Free University & Tafe
• Renters rights to solar, there are already enough disincentives for landlords
• Climate response service
• Tax big banks to end homelessness.... yesssssssss this will work
• Banning gas when energy prices are already exploding due to ridiculous climate change policies
• 4 day work week.. living in lala land
• Legalising cannabis..
• Stopping shark nets
• Wiping all student debt
• Stopping the Melbourne Cup carnival of cruelty
• etc etc etc

The words your looking for are unrealistic expectations but it's not "woke". Good intentions but not feasible. Reason being there are way too many vested interests and agendas that would squash most of these policies. You listed 1 there in landlords. There's nothing in any of that you would call "woke", this a trigger word right wingers use because they disagree with something.